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I Just Got ButtF...ed By My Company!  
User currently offlineUTA_flyingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1573 times:

My salary raise puts me in another tax bracket, which means that I now enjoy a whopping raise of 42 euro more per month !
Rhaaaaaaaaaa !
Has this ever happened to you ?

UTA


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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1567 times:

I feel really sorry that you got a raise. Don't you think that 42 Euro is better than nothing?

I would like to have your problems...seriously!  Big grin Big grin



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineUTA_flyingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1557 times:

I forgot to mention that the inflation rate in Ireland is equal to the one in a third-world dictatorship, which means that the aforementioned raise equates to nothing at all after the inflation rate is accounted for  Sad

UTA



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User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1558 times:

You want some real salary Buttf...ing ? I'll give you some

When I arrived in UK four years ago, I was a trainee paid by 400£/month.

I started working around 10 Jan, but at the end of the month, I was not on the salary rooster, so the CFO gave me a check for 400£ without saying more. I thought "wow, I get a whole month for only 20 days ,they're neat"

But one month later, I got what in France is called the "second Kisscool effect"
My february payslip said I got the gross salary of feb (400£) plus a late payment of my january salary (about 250£ IIRC) soa gross salary of 650£.

However, a few £ above 400 is the next tax bracket, which meant I had to pay around 100£ taxes that month, and after that, my company deducted the 400£ they had paid me in advance.

So, in effect, my paycheck of february was about 150£. Not bad ,when one expected at least 350£

707


User currently offlineKingsford From Ukraine, joined Nov 2003, 427 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1526 times:

Don't start complaining until you get taxed in Belgium ! After Sweden and Denmark, the highest...

Every other day you work is for the state.


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1524 times:

What the hell does your company have to do with you getting screwed ?, They don't set the taxation rules for the country, nor do they get the extra tax that you pay. What a warped sense of reality.

Want to know of getting screwed by your company ? go find some of the ex sabena employees that have no jobs, and try to explain to them that you are the victim because you ended up with a 42 euro raise

J


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1464 times:

The company did nothing wrong. Their actual cost of employing you has in fact increased substantially, so the raise was sincere. If you want to bitch about anyone, bitch about the tax authorities and the so-called fair stratified tax system.

Charles


User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

I have to say that in my case, I consider the company responsible for the wrongdoing.
Had they done the things correctly, I would have paid next to no taxes on Jan, and the usual 10£ in february.
The way they did it, I ended up with about 90£ less. Not that much maybe, but more than 20% of my salary disapeared that month.
And believe me, even if you don't have to pay a rent, leaving one month on just 150£ in UK is nowhere near fun.

707


User currently offlineUTA_flyingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1445 times:

The reason for my bitching is that I was told something (unfortunately not confirmed in writing) during my last annual review/performance appraisal and the reality is another.
True, the company is not responsible for the tax system. But the salary increase in % is nowhere near what I had been promised.
So I still feel disppointed and a bit cheated as I get the same raise as my cow-orkers that arrive 15/30 mn late every day. May I mention that I also have the best performance levels for my department ?
I get the message. Now I shall (...) be late too, will not give a ... and spend even more time doing non-comapny business during work hours.

UTA, displeased  Sad



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2948 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1431 times:

I don't know if it's the same in Europe, but in the U.S. there is a common misconception about "higher tax brackets." Here, all it means is that whatever marginal amount you make over a certain amount will be taxed at a higher rate. It doesn't mean that suddenly your whole salary is taxed at a higher rate.

For example, suppose the higher tax bracket applies to amounts over $35,000. That means that if you get a raise and your salary goes up to $36,000, the first $35,000 will be taxed the same as before. It's only the last $1,000 that gets taxed at a higher rate. However, I have met a surprising number of people who mistakenly believe that suddenly the whole $36,000 gets taxed at the higher rate.

Anyway, this may not be relevant to your situation--I just thought I'd mention it in case any Americans here are confused about "tax brackets."  Smile



Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineUTA_flyingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1428 times:

Very good point FoxBravo, I shall (?) investigate and let you know on how it is in the Emerald Isle.

UTA



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User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1401 times:

UTA

So the whole tax system argument has nothing to do with why you got BF'd. Try leaving out the stuff that has no relevance and maybe, your complaint will make more sense.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13793 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1386 times:

The problem with Ireland is that their whole economic boom in the 90´s has been bassed
a) on EU help
b) On extremely low taxation of investors, while at the same time taxing employed workers extremely high. Therer are two tax brackets in Ireland (at least when I worked there 4 years ago), 24% and 46%.

Another thing is that due to the fact that there is almost no rental market for small, entry level sized appartments, accomodation costs are about the highest in Europe. Traditionaly Irish used to live in big farming families in houses in rural areas, up to 7-10 children was quite common.
There was a big push for land ownership, while the urban rental market has been neglected. Now with the economic boom and the change towardsindustrialisation, land and housing prices have skyrocketed, so that for normal earning young people, it is almost impossible to find affordable accomodation. Quite often young people are forced to live with their parents up past the age of 30, before they have saved enough for the downpayment for their first house.
My girlfiend is forced to share a 3 bedroom house outside Dublin with 4 other women, she shares one bedroom with her sister.
Also the position of Ireland as an island proved to be perfect for monopolies. E.g. in Shannon, up to about 5 years ago, there was only one supermarket (Tesco´s), if you wanted to go shopping, you needed to drive 25 km to Limerick or Newmarket on Fergus (very bad public transport), impossible for people not owning a car. The grocery market in Ireland was effectively divided between Tesco and Dunnes stores.
Only recently some German chains (Aldi, Lidl) pushed into the market and forced some prices to lower a bit. Also, don´t forget, there is a 21% VAT on everything.
Since a lot of products have to be imported, using ships, transport cost get added. Cars are very highly taxed on import, doesn´t matter if the car is third hand, the tax is calculated as if the car was factory new.

The high living expenses were one of the reasons I left Ireland. Also the salaries were way below continental levels. I left Shannon Aerospace to go back to Germany and more than doubled my income, while at the same time reducing my expenses.
E.g. I pay 400 Euros a month for a single bedroom 50 square metres flat in CGN close to my work (the airport). This includes heating, rubbishh disposal and janitoring.
In Ireland I paid about the same for a room in a bungalow I shared with 4 other foreign mechanics, excluding heating.

Jan



User currently offlineStartvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1359 times:

Won't 707Cmf get jealous that your company is now doing his job (buttf_cking you)?

User currently offlineNorth County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1348 times:

Notice how the people who pay the taxes will complain about taxes..

Also note that those who don't pay taxes complain about the lack of social programs provided by the government.

Young solialists will turn into old conservatives.

Just give them a few years....and a job.







User currently offline707CMF From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

Startvalve, you crowd.

Just come to LHR next week end, and you shall (la aquae) have a living female proof that there is no such thing between Will and I.

707


User currently offlineStartvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1262 times:

It doesn't count if you have to pay her

User currently offline707CMF From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 30
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1243 times:

Notice how the people who pay the taxes will complain about taxes..

Also note that those who don't pay taxes complain about the lack of social programs provided by the government.

Young solialists will turn into old conservatives.

Just give them a few years....and a job.


Lol. In my company, around election times, it is quite easy to determine roughly how much anyone makes, as soon as they voice their political opinions !!!

707, who unfortunately did not vote las Sunday (you cannot vote from aboard a 747-436)


User currently offlineUTA_flyingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1182 times:

OK, let me present with the facts.
Early January, I get my performance review; "what a great job you did last year blah blah.". "You shall get a 4% raise and a bonus" (everything oral and not written).
Yesterday, pay day (note : no actual raise for February/March).
2.8% raise, no bonus and 270€ in taxes because I am in the next tax bracket !

I don't care about not having a raise, but I think it is wrong for the company to tell me something and do another.

UTA



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User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1173 times:

That is interesting. I hope my workplace doesnt do that to me.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineRindt From Germany, joined May 2000, 930 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1155 times:

Maybe you only got a 2.8% raise because you spend half your working day plugging Will/Antoine's shots?

I think Startvalve was on to something...


-Rob



[Edited 2004-03-31 11:53:57]

[Edited 2004-03-31 11:57:52]


What other people think of you is none of your business!
User currently offlineUTA_flyingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1152 times:

...and the other half plugging mine, you forgot to mention.
BTW Rob are you a French speaker ?

UTA



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User currently offlineFritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1153 times:

Delta767300ER,

Judging by the number of useless posts youve done today, I would say that you would be lucky to get away with a buttf*ck if your boss found out...  Big grin


User currently offlineRindt From Germany, joined May 2000, 930 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1150 times:

What would my ability to speak French have anything to do with this conversation?

-Rob




What other people think of you is none of your business!
User currently offlineUTA_flyingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1142 times:

Nothing but iI always wondered if YVR people also spoke French, and here I had the opportunity to ask one  Laugh out loud

UTA



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25 Rindt : Well, we "YVR people" like to call ourselves Canadians... Although I happen to be bilingual (partially trilingual), it's rare for westerners to be flu
26 JetService : Did you approach your boss about the short raise? It could be a mistake in the paperwork or in your payroll dept. When I tell someone they're getting
27 UTA_flyingHIGH : Yes, I tar-and-feathered my PHB this morning. More seriously, I emailed HR as it seems that they messed up big time over the tax calculations this mon
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