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350 Ways To Lie About John Kerry  
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39860 posts, RR: 74
Posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1161 times:

I stumble across an interesting article pertaining to this year's election.



350 Tax Increases?
President Bush applies the Powell Doctrine to running for re-election.

By Michael Kinsley

Posted Tuesday, March 23, 2004, at 10:27 AM PT



President Bush seems to be running his re-election campaign on the basis of the Powell Doctrine: Go in with overwhelming force from the start, and strike a blow from which the enemy can never recover. Like the United States in Iraq, the Bush campaign has superior fire power and far more money. The lesson of Vietnam, articulated by Colin Powell, is: Use your superiority—don't fritter it away in gradual escalation.

One of the weapons in Bush's arsenal is an old family heirloom. Bush fired it himself at his big Florida rally over the weekend. He asserted that John Kerry had voted for higher taxes 350 times during Kerry's 20 years in the Senate. Vice President Dick Cheney and other presidential surrogates have been using this statistoid for several weeks, and it has been picked up and repeated in the conservative media echo chamber. In 1992, Bush's father charged that Bill Clinton, as governor of Arkansas, had raised taxes 128 times. This shabby and deeply disingenuous allegation ultimately became an embarrassment to the elder Bush, but it took weeks and months of pounding by the media and the opposition to make it this way. I'm hoping to spare us all that with a Powell-Doctrine-like strike early on.

The purpose of a phony statistic like this one isn't really to persuade people of its own accuracy. The purpose is to trap your opponent in a discussion he doesn't want to have (in this case about his past votes about taxes), bog the discussion down in silly details that few people will follow, and leave a general impression that where there is smoke, there must be fire. And certainly, if what matters to you above all else is paying fewer taxes, you'd be a fool to choose Kerry over Bush. But this isn't about taxes; it's about honesty. Honesty means more than factual accuracy, it means avoiding disingenuousness: not talking crap when you know it's crap. If that matters to you above all, you may be out of luck with either candidate this election. But if you wish to measure comparative crapology, this 350-tax-increases business may be hard for Kerry to top.

Counting tax increases is an absurd way to measure a candidate's general propensity about taxes. George the elder's list about Clinton tax increases included things like an extension of dog-racing season, on the logic that a longer season meant more tax revenue. George the younger's first item asserts that "In 1995, Kerry Voted For [a] Resolution That Said Middle Class Tax Cuts Were Not Wise." This turns out to be a vote in the midst of that nearly forgotten frenzy, the Gingrich revolution. It was a vote against a particular tax cut of $700 billion, on a resolution declaring with almost tautological justice that subtracting $700 billion from revenue would make it harder to balance the budget. The resolution passed the Republican-controlled House and Senate, but a decade later the Republican president uses it to tar his Democratic opponent.

The documentation on the GOP Web site about Kerry's supposed 350 votes to increase taxes actually lists only 67 votes "for higher taxes." Most of these are votes against a tax cut, not in favor of a tax increase. The 67 include nine votes listed twice, three listed three times, and two listed four times. The logic seems to be that if a bill contains more than one item (as almost all bills do), it counts as separate votes for or against each item. The Bush list also includes several series of sequentially numbered votes, which are procedural twists on the same bill. And there are votes on the identical issue in different years. The only actual tax increase on Bush's list (counted twice, but hey … ) is Kerry's support for Clinton's 1993 deficit-reduction plan. That's the one that raised rates in the top bracket and led to a decade of such fabulous prosperity that even its most affluent victims ended up better off.

The best way to see the absurdity of saying that John Kerry voted for higher taxes 350 times is to apply Bush's madcap logic to Bush himself. Every year, in the president's budget, there is a table called "Effect of Proposals on Receipts." It lists the president's proposed changes in the tax rules and how they will affect government revenues for various periods up to 15 years. Most of Bush's proposals will cost revenues, obviously. But in the four fiscal years 2002-2005, Bush has proposed 63 actual "revenue enhancers," as his father used to call them. This doesn't include, as Bush includes for Kerry, his opposition to any tax cuts (and there have been some, such as Democratic proposals to reduce the payroll tax). Nor does the list seem to include any "supply-side" revenue enhancement by magic or growth. These are actual proposals to take more money out of people's pockets and give it to the government.

At Bush's current rate of 16 "tax increases" a year, he'd have 320 under his belt if he could stay in the White House for 20 years. Depending on how you figure—but without wandering beyond Bush himself into the jungles of absurd logic—this is as many as eight times the number that Bush has managed to pin on Kerry. But isn't it unfair to call, for example, more efficient administration at the IRS a tax increase? And isn't it simply ridiculous to suggest that George W. Bush is more complacent about higher taxes than John Kerry? Yes, it's unfair. It's ridiculous. That's the point.

Michael Kinsley is Slate's founding editor.




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User currently offlineNorth County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1151 times:


I think we can all agree that any new taxes or increases suck.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39860 posts, RR: 74
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1144 times:

North County:
No body likes taxes but it's a necessary evil.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1140 times:

"I actually voted for that bill before I voted against it"

JK 2004

The Politician who is on both sides of the issues!



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39860 posts, RR: 74
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1130 times:

STT757:
It's you again!  Pissed



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1128 times:

Tell it to the libertarians, Superfly.

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39860 posts, RR: 74
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1118 times:

...and what authority does the libertarians have?  Insane


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User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1095 times:

I was watching TV last night and saw a clip from 2000 when Dubya said something needs to be done about these high gas prices.

Well, now that they are reaching all time highs, I think now would be a good time to do something about it.

VOTE KERRY 2004!

FB05



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User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1095 times:

Bush doesnt control OPEC, neither does Kerry.


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13561 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1087 times:
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350 Ways To Lie About John Kerry

Ok, here we go...350 lies about John Kerry.

1. He'd be a better President than George W. Bush.
2. He'd be a better President than George W. Bush.
3. He'd be a better President than George W. Bush.
4. He'd be a better President than George W. Bush.
5. He'd be a better President than George W. Bush.
6. He'd be a better President than George W. Bush.
7. He'd be a better President than George W. Bush.
8. He'd be a better President than George W. Bush.
9. He'd be a better President than George W. Bush.
10. He'd be a better President than....



Well, you get the idea.  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1082 times:

Why are taxes a necessary evil? I understand that living in a country where the government provides for its people through methods of taxation, I should be and am willing to pay taxes.

Where I get frustrated with taxes is when my tax dollars are not put to good use.



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User currently offlineTYSGoVols From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 634 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1080 times:

John Kerry a President that represents both sides to an issue.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
A lie about Kerry, he made up his mind this time, no really he did.

<>< Garen



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13561 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1059 times:
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John Kerry a President that represents both sides to an issue

Two great Kerry slogans:

John Kerry - He's EVERYWHERE You Want To Be

"Whatever YOU think, so do I!" - John Kerry



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2732 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1051 times:

Groan, another 7 months of this bullshit.

Signed, almost everyone else ....



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1034 times:

More ways to lie about Kerry:

1) Kerry is a patriot
2) Kerry wants the best for the US
3) Kerry is truthful in what he says
4) Kerry is consistent in his agenda



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1019 times:

Groan, another 7 months of this bullshit.

Signed, almost everyone else ....


yeah, that pretty much sums up my feelings nicely



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User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1000 times:

At least he didnt say he invented the internet.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineTYSGoVols From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 634 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 971 times:

YEah but give it time. I didn't invent the internet before I invented it. I would hold a bit more respect for the guy if he could just form an opinion about ANYTHING.

<>< Garen



Rocky Top You'll Always be home sweet home to me, Good ole' Rocky Top WOOOOO
User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 954 times:

Superfly,

What goes around comes around. I remember during many senate campaigns where democrats say candidate A voted to cut Social Security or Welfare, when instead they voted to lessen it's growth.



At worst, you screw up and die.
User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 945 times:

How about Kerry's latest hypocracy? "I think gas prices are too high and this President has done nothing to lower them!"

A. Blame OPEC.

B. *cough*50 cent gas tax*cough*


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 941 times:

" stumble across an interesting article pertaining to this year's election."

Dawg, you've been stumblin along a lot of things political lately huh? I wonder if your place looks like you've been preparing for the superbowl come November...  Laugh out loud

"Where I get frustrated with taxes is when my tax dollars are not put to good use. "

Bing-da-freak-go! Tell that to those who hate taxes. I think the real question is the use of the term "good use".



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