Finally something good comes out of the Diamler/Chrysler marriage.
A large stationwagon with V8 power and rear-wheel drive. The last time Dodge/Chrylser/Plymouth had a madel in the catagory was the 1981 LeBaron Town & Country/Diplomat and Fury wagons.
The last GMs were the 1996 Buick Roadmaster Estate Wagons and Caprice wagons. The last Fords were the 1991 Country Squire and Colony Parks.
I hope this market increases. They are much more powerful, practical, safer, efficent and stylish than SUVs.
Statring at only $20,353.
I hope Chrysler get's it's version with a vertical chrome grille, hood ornament and woodgrain side panels. Then I would certainly buy one!
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39425 posts, RR: 76 Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2680 times:
That is impressive for a 7 passenger vehicle with heavy duty towing capacity, low-end and high end power all from a gasoline engine.
The only other vehicles on the market today that can do this is an SUV and there milage is half of what this Magnum can do.
Greg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2679 times:
Superfly...this is where they really FUCKED it up:
The standard 5.7 Hemi that goes into the Magnum and the C300 is a bastardized version that runs on both 4 and 8 cylinders (driver does not have a choice--it's computer controlled)...depending on acceleration--a sure course for disaster.
I refer only to the reliability of the V4/6/8 of the Cadillac to make my point.
This engine has left the critics very, very cold on an otherwise decent piece of styling and pricing.
The C300 in full Hemi dress will list for $37---so there are lots of options on these babies.....
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39425 posts, RR: 76 Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2660 times:
Greg: The standard 5.7 Hemi that goes into the Magnum and the C300 is a bastardized version that runs on both 4 and 8 cylinders (driver does not have a choice--it's computer controlled)...depending on acceleration--a sure course for disaster.
MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8475 posts, RR: 13 Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2634 times:
I think Dodge has a nice family vehicle. It's called the Grand Caravan.
Not as much power as the wagon, sure, but it's much more fuel efficient. Ours has averaged 26.6 MPG over 1000 miles (granted, you can't really go over 70, otherwise it's 25 or so if you're doing 80). It also has lots of room, tows Sea-Doos just fine, and can carry two canoes on top beautifully. It also looks pretty good, for a minivan. Nice candy apple red color, too.
Too bad the interior abounds in cheap plastic.
Too bad it has pathetically weak headlights.
Optional Infinity stereo isn't great and has some strange bits.
Seats are heavy and not terribly easy to remove.
AND our 1997 ES Grand Caravan, 3.8 V6, FWD, pretty much loaded
has 130,000 miles on it
AND HAS BEEN TOWED FOUR TIMES. FOUR TIMES!!!
Last Thursday, the wonderfully reputable transmission SELF DESTRUCTED!
$2500 plus labor for a rebuilt Jasper unit.
I am never, ever buying an American car/"light truck" minivan. I might buy a truck, maybe, or a Chevy full-sized van, but never, ever an American car.
The ideal family car for today is a Toyota Sienna. My mother's first husband (who's now on his 4th wife, is about 54, I think, and has three little kids) just bought a Sienna and it's nice. Leather, 8 pax seating, the usual goodies. They can fit three car seats across the middle row, which is very convenient for them.
MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8475 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2626 times:
But hey, it's a RWD wagon.
I used to drive a RWD wagon. They're wagons, but they're not so bad. But my inline Six would be no match for those V8s. American automakers at least know how to make V8s.
It's not a bad concept, although I think it looks a bit like a chopped Durango.
When I think of 5.7, I think of a car Superfly would've loved. Way back in the day, 1996, I think, Popular Mechanics was also upset over the coming death of the big wagons. They took a Buick Roadmaster wagon, dropped in a 5.7 LS1, put some rims on it, painted it a dark color and tinted the windows. It was slick. Also updated the suspension so it was basically the same as a cop car's.
Aviationwiz, you've never driven a 4-cylinder Camry before, have you? Trust me, you'd appreciate more power. Too bad Toyota Racing Development isn't selling their warrantied supercharger for the 2.2 I4's any more.
Greg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2607 times:
I'll give Chrysler kudos where it counts...the styling of the Magnum and the C300 are best of the "retro's" (Ford totally messed up the T-bird).
Unfortunately, if you don't choose the 4/8 Hemi...you have to take the V6...which is anemic in comparison. Hopefully, they will drop the 4/8 cylinder monster after a year. After the advent of the Crossfire (a true German with a Chrysler label), I thought possibly they would be using the 3.2 litre German engine (not all the powerful..but bulletproof for reliability).
While the Magnum is nice...the C300 is what will sell. But again, but another $12-15K in options to make it a worthwhile ride. And at that price...there is a lot of territory in both sport, SUV, and sedans that can make the mid-priced enthusiast smile.
CPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4761 posts, RR: 25 Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2594 times:
I thought possibly they would be using the 3.2 litre German engine (not all the powerful..but bulletproof for reliability).
I was wondering the same thing considering the same engine is being offered in the Crossfire. The 2.7 L engine is terrible and the 3.5 L is not much better. Otherwise, the car is a good concept. 24MPG is not that bad at all, my car gets only a little better on the highway and has less power.
JetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3035 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2573 times:
Regarding the 0-60mph, I figured out the confusion...
3.5-Liter High-Output 24-Valve V6 MPI Engine pulls the 6.3 second 0-60
5.7L HEMI V8 Engine 340 HP w/Multiple Displacement pulls the 4.7 second 0-60
Other then that, I agree with Greg on the fact that Dodge messed up the car by changing it between 4 and 8 cylinders depending on how hard you are pressing the accelerator. Just doesn't seem right to me, but since it improves gas mileage, I guess that's a plus.
Jutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2518 times:
Gas Mileage:17 mpg city / 24 mpg hwy
Absolutely Terrible, have the idiots at dodge noticed the gas prices lately?
Engine/s: 5.7L V8, 16 valve, 340@5000hp
Since this is supposed to be a Family car, who the fuck needs all that power. That is one ugly piece of shit made by a cheap company.
And Chrysler cars are NEVER reliable.
Add Ford, Dodge, GM, DaimlerChrysler, Buick, and Chevrolet to that list.
Why is it that every part from our 98 Villager that is Japanese - Engine, Transmission, is in perfect working order and the rest that is American is either breaking down or needed to be replaced? Don't get me wrong, some things American are great, but their Cars and Trucks are complete trash.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39425 posts, RR: 76 Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2508 times:
MD-90:The Caravan only gets 2 extra MPG yet half the horsepower, half the towing capacity, half the reliabiity and nowhare near as cool.As you already mentioned, we Americans make the best V8s. Well this IS a V8 and is a trusted engine already avaiible in the current Dodge 3500 Pick-ups. Also, the Infinity CD/Cassette combo audio system sounds great!The wiring harness and boldt patterns hasn't changed sice the 1980 model year with Dodge/Plymouth/Chrysler products.I pulled one out of a wreched 1999 Caravan at a wreching yard and put it in my 1987 LeBaron Convertible and it sounded great.Jutes85:What is your knowledge of automobiles?Buick and Cheverolet is under the SAME umbrella of GM (General Motors) yet you pointed them out as if they were separate entities.Same for Dodge and Diamler/Chrysler.
N312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2679 posts, RR: 17 Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2462 times:
Im actually quite amazed to see Chrysler developing vehicles that are hovering around the 4000lb range. First the Pacifica, now the 300 and the Magnum. My father drives a Pacifica and he's always filling the tank on that thing. Just yesterday he paid 35 dollars to fill it from empty. Its nice to see the return of big American iron though!!
Startvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2442 times:
Towing companies everywhere should come out and celebrate chrysler introducing a new vehicle. Maybe someday they will make something that is not a total turd on wheels and people will buy it.
The problem with Dodge was never their styling or building products nobody really wanted to buy. The problem was and is their reliability and quality, even their trucks suck. When my girlfriends car was in the body shop she got a rental dodge dakota extended cab pickup. It looked great, I loved the shade of red, however, at a mere 500 miles on it the power lock on the left side did not work, dome light did not work, air conditioning controls came off in your hand, the doors had trouble closing and the automatic transmission would about break your neck when it shifted. Also the interior just felt cheap, the fabric on the seats felt low quality and the plastic parts of the dash and doors just felt cheap. I know it was a rental but geez, in that few miles not all of that can be abuse.
Personally, I hate Ford and Chevy cars especially Ford with a passion after recent experiences but if I ever wanted a pickup truck it would be a Chevy or maybe even a Ford. In my book Santa Clause could buy out Chrysler and I still would not buy one of their products.
Jutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2441 times:
I'm not a fan of American cars, but American pick up trucks beat any Japanese one hands down.
That is only because no one drives a two ton in downtown Tokyo. Yes, Americans have the rest beat when it comes to trucks. Take the F-150 and the Nissian Titan, both nearly overall the same, but people tend to stick with Ford.
25 MD-90: The Pacifica is one big fat station wagon. Nothing SUV about it, unless you count how impractical it is for its mass. Yeah, but the Grand Caravan actu
26 747 4-ever: Here's two photos of the Chrysler 300 taken before it was showed In the background you can see the new Jeep Grand Cherokee.
27 Roberta: Dodge Gets It Right; The Ultimate Family Vehicle Dodge always did have it right, Thats the reason i dont intend to have Kids.
28 North County: Nice car, But our 5.3L Suburban would still suit our needs better. Much more interior room, and we can tow 8K. Wife gets 13 MPG in town and 18 on the
29 AvObserver: It's a bit unfortunate, timingwise, that Chrysler introduced the 300C and Magnum on the heels of the Pacifica and new Durango just as gas prices are s
30 Flight152: The ideal family car for today is a Toyota Sienna. How tasteless. People movers..nothing more. Glad someone produced a rear drive station wagon Look a
31 MD-90: But you're not a woman, Flight152. Women are much more practical with their dollars than you or I (generally speaking). Especially soccer moms. They'v
32 Flight152: But you're not a woman, Flight152. Women are much more practical with their dollars than you or I (generally speaking). I don't know any moms that dri
33 Superfly: But you're not a woman, Flight152 I am not sure about that. The way he constantly bitches about everything I think he is. Just kidding!
34 BH346: Doesn't look too bad although Dodge's traditional "cross" grille seems a little too pronounced on the Magnum for me. I prefer the styling of the Chrys
35 MD-90: Well, maybe we're more middle class than you are, but here's the breakdown in my mother's family. Aunt Lynn - drives a 1996 Honda Odyssey (the origina
36 MD-90: Likewise, of me, my sister, and my cousin, respectively we drive 95 Toyota Camry sedan 97 Honda Civic sedan 98 Mercury Mystique sedan (another piece o
37 Superfly: MD-90: You left out Bubba and Betty Mae! Sorry but that last post of yours had me cracking up! I could just hear the Southern accent come out of my sc
38 Flight152: more stuff than a 530 wagon (which isn't sold in the US, btw, 525 or 540 only) Actually..BMW has not imported any 2004 5-series wagons to North Americ
39 MD-90: Which wasn't sold. Fine, not currently sold. I haven't seen any pictures of the new 5-series wagon anyway.
40 BH346: Sorry about the mistake...I guess I'm not up to speed on my Bimmer wagons. I don't know too much about them...I like Bimmers but haven't taken a serio
41 Superfly: These BMW wagons are much more expensive than the Dodge Magnum. It's in a completly different class.
42 MD-90: Sure the Focus and Civic would be good family cars. Inexpensive, fuel efficient, roomy (more so in the Focus), the Honda's reliable... Superfly, boy y
43 Rotor1: I've got a great idea regarding the engine woes -- put in the Cummins Turbodiesel engine. Seriously. -Mike
44 Cancidas: Gas Mileage:17 mpg city / 24 mpg hwy Jesus! typical american car....
45 Superfly: Cancidas: Gas Mileage:17 mpg city / 24 mpg hwy Jesus! typical american car.... Umm, have the Polish done any better?
46 L-188: Gas Mileage:17 mpg city / 24 mpg hwy Those numbers are about the same as my F-150
47 Superfly: Those numbers are about the average for all mid-sized and full-sized sedans and coupes. There isn't any German or Japanese car in this class that gets
48 MD11Engineer: I´d like to own a WW2 Dodge 15CWT or 30CWT 4X4 truck, not the most economic, but old and rocksolid... Jan
49 L-188: Ahh, now there we are talking MD11Engineer.
50 N901FRWOLF: -quote- Superfly...this is where they really FUCKED it up: The standard 5.7 Hemi that goes into the Magnum and the C300 is a bastardized version that
51 Superfly: MD11Engineer & L-188: No argument there. Those Dodge trucks are rock solid and are almost as good as the Ford F-350s. But those are trucks and aren't
52 MD11Engineer: Superfly, I´m a member of WW2 Living History group and we could use such a truck as a section truck. It would only come out at living history events,
53 N901FRWOLF: This isn't a family car, its a sports tourer. I like it for the same reason I like the Subaru WRX wagon. I have performance AND SPACE!!!. I am a compu
54 Superfly: N901FRWOLF: This isn't a family car, its a sports tourer What? It's based of a family sedan platform. This is totally a family. Just because it come w
55 N901FRWOLF: -quote- What? It's based of a family sedan platform. -quote- So was the GTO. Tell me that was a family car. This has no third row, it definatly isn't
56 Superfly: N901FRWOLF: So was the GTO. Tell me that was a family car. It certainly was. Why do you think they made station wagon versions of the GTO?
57 N901FRWOLF: -quote- It certainly was. Why do you think they made station wagon versions of the GTO? -quote- And they had a station wagon SS too. That doesnt make
58 L-188: I´m a member of WW2 Living History group and we could use such a truck as a section truck. It would only come out at living history events, not at Ge
59 Superfly: N901FRWOLF: The GTO as well as the Caprice Classic, Impala, Buick Wildcats, Oldsmobile Jetstars, Maruarders, Galaxie 500, Ambassadors SST, were certa
60 N901FRWOLF: -quote- N901FRWOLF: The GTO as well as the Caprice Classic, Impala, Buick Wildcats, Oldsmobile Jetstars, Maruarders, Galaxie 500, Ambassadors SST, wer
61 Superfly: N901FRWOLF: It's totally cool. I enjoy car talk. When I think of sports cars, I think of some thing designed for two passengers and a tiny back seat
62 Superfly: N901FRWOLF: Correction on my part. There wasn't a GTO stationwagon but there was the Tempest stationwagon which was a GTO with different trim. Still t