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Several US Personel Killed In Iraq.  
User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Posted (10 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 2517 times:

In one incident, soldiers hit an explosive device while driving in a vehicle in the province of al-Anbar, a US military official told Aljazeera on Wednesday.

Army officials refused to reveal the nationalities of those killed but the area is occupied by US forces.

Near the restive town of Ramadi, west of Baghdad, at least two US soldiers were killed and three others were injured when their Humvee hit an explosive device, eyewitnesses told our correspondent.

In a separate incident also west of Baghdad, four foreigners were killed when their vehicles came under attack, setting them on fire, reported Aljazeera.

Footage from Associated Press Television News showed one man beating a corpse with a metal pole. Others tied a cord to one of the bodies, attached it to a car and drove it down a street, surrounded by a cheering crowd. An Associated Press reporter saw two blackened bodies hanging from a bridge.

"The people of Fallujah hanged some of the bodies on the old bridge like slaughtered sheep," resident Abdul Aziz Mohammed said. Some of the corpses were dismembered, he said.

APTN footage showed the charred bodies of three slain men. Some were wearing flak jackets, said resident Safa Mohammedi.




Whats amazing is the savagery and barbaric way those "peace loving" muslims treat human bodies, Dragging them down the street, hanging them like sheep and playing with the charred corpses. But of course Al-jazeera doesnt mention the dispicable things done by those arabs.



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User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 2502 times:

what do you expect people to do to soldiers of a FOREIGN INVASION ARMY?
give them sweets? not really.



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User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Whats amazing is the savagery and barbaric way those "peace loving" muslims treat human bodies, Dragging them down the street, hanging them like sheep and playing with the charred corpses. But of course Al-jazeera doesnt mention the dispicable things done by those arabs.

Really? How about the clashes between Arabs and Jews in east Jerusalem today? The people who did this are not "peace-loving" nor are they real muslims. Real muslims would never do such a thing. BTW: Rememeber that we invaded their country in an act of aggression. You calling all muslims savages is nothing more then pure ignorence on your part. Al-jazeera didn't report it you said? Why? Same as the US media- selective reporting.




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User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

The ones they dragged and burned werent soldiers they were civilians. And i guess thats ok by you then? And dont bring the "US soldiers do it all the time in iraq" because you and i know it has not happened.


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User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

We can blame all this on Washington DC for a war based on aggression.

Well, civilians are killed, this is war remember. They way they died may be brutal and they don't deserve to die but then again, who is the aggressor here?

BTW: A dozen US soldiers have been dismissed due to bad behavior.



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User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

And thats always your excuse, " they arent real muslims" so how many muslims that claim to be muslims not real muslims? Thats the easiest excuse to make. Every time they do such savage things you guys cover up for them, almost every suicide bomber claims to be a devout muslim.


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

Yes, another 5 young GI's, killed in Bush's dream of a democracy in Iraq that will never take hold.

It's a gruesome, repugnant thing, what these people did, but when you start a war on a nation that was not at war with you, you better expect stuff like this.


User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 2484 times:

Thats ok David, we know your agenda, everthing is Bush's fault, Israel is the devil, the US can do no good, all terrorists are freedom fighters, and the military is full of murderers, rapists and criminals who only serve to occupy other nations for the evil American Empire. You should go work for Al-jazeera.


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User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 2484 times:

Will you ever understand that they do not represent real Muslims only extremists??

how many Muslims that claim to be Muslims not real Muslims?

Many and that is the problem.

almost every suicide bomber claims to be a devout Muslim

Almost every suicide bomber is a lunatic. Agree??

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3578429.stm



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User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

Several US Personel Killed In Iraq.

Try several hundred.

Thanks Bush  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

Your agenda: All muslims are evil, bush is god, every Arab should be genocide, FoxNews is fair and balanced. The extreme right is always good, people should shutup and comply.

You should work for the Bush admin. They could use a guy like you.



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User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

Anything anti Bush right alpha, Bush's dream of a democracy in Iraq that will never take hold. gleefully posted by a true lover of Democracy.

So a democracy in the middle east is a bad thing? But i like the way you and david justify the barbaric treatment of corpses.



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User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 2465 times:

So a democracy in the middle east is a bad thing? But i like the way you and david justify the barbaric treatment of corpses.

It is not a bad thing but invading a sovereign country based on lies in an act of aggression is.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

Galaxy-try to stick something of your own where the sun don't shine. There's absolutely NOTHING gleeful about any of this, friend. NOTHING. It's horrendous, but why do YOU get so defensive when someone points out where all this started? It started with George W. Bush, didn't it?

And I didn't say democracy is abad thing, did I? Way to twist it. I said something I've said over and over: Iraq will not end up a democracy. Once our troops leave, it will end up reverting to what it's always been-run by some dictator, and this time after a civil war between these factions who hate each other.

All this warring will have been for nothing-all those young GI's killed for nothing. And don't you fucking EVER say I justified the treatement of those people-read what I said-"it's a gruesome, repugnant thing". That's the quote. Get it right-if you can come up for air long enough from kissing Bush's caboose, which I don't think you have the ability to do.


User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 2480 times:

This reminds me a bit of the Somalia footage of a few years back, don't you all agree?

I remember that had a big impact on the US domestic audience, with a quick pull back from the Horn of Africa as a consequence. Might we see the same thing in Iraq? I.e. the US pulling out and bringing Pakistani and Nepalese UN soldiers in to clean up the mess they've made?

I find these terrible images and I don't know if they will be shown on US media in prime time as will certainly be done here in continental Europe, but I hope at least they will make one thing clear to the American audience: Contrary to what your president is trying to make you believe, ordinary Iraqi people are in no way supporting the US lead invasion!


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

This reminds me a bit of the Somalia footage of a few years back, don't you all agree?


If you ever seen the movie Blackhawk down, you know what we mean. When the delta force snipers get shot and killed.

[Edited 2004-03-31 16:52:39]


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User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

its really sad that the prevalence of pro bush media in the u.s. has prevented a buildup of public opposition to this pointless war. in november around election time the u.s. body count might have already hit the 1000 kia mark, with a few thousand more who have injuries that will limit them for the rest of their life. for a war that should have never been fought.

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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

I remember that had a big impact on the US domestic audience, with a quick pull back from the Horn of Africa as a consequence. Might we see the same thing in Iraq?

No. This war is too far gone to disengage from now. Not even this would pursuade the U.S. to leave. In fact, despite my opposition to this war, I say we cannot leave like that. We must see it through, and do the best we can.

But in my view, it will still end up in a civil war once we leave. And the blame can fall squarely on Galaxy5's hero. Although he'll call you all kinds of names for even daring to mention that.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 2437 times:

from REUTERS:

Television pictures showed one incinerated body being kicked and stamped on by a member of the jubilant crowd, while others dragged a blackened body down the road by its feet.

As one body lay burning on the ground, an Iraqi came and doused it with petrol, sending flames soaring.

At least two bodies were tied to cars and pulled through the streets, witnesses said.

"This is the fate of all Americans who come to Falluja," said Mohammad Nafik, one of the crowd surrounding the bodies.

Some body parts were pulled off and left hanging from a telephone cable, while two incinerated bodies were later strung from a bridge and left dangling there.

A young boy beat one of the incinerated bodies after it was pulled down with his shoe as a crowd cheered.

"I am happy to see this. The Americans are occupying us so this is what will happen," said Mohammad, 12, looking on.

As the victims lay burning, a crowd of around 150 men chanted "Long live Islam" and "Allahu Akbar" ("God is Greatest") while flashing victory signs.


Absolutely barbaric. Barbarians, all of them. All four victims were civilians, working on infrastructure projects. I wonder if we'll see any sense of repulsion from any Arab government or people. I think not.

You can hate someone, you can even wage war against them, for good or bad reasons. But this is the kind of thing that makes you think of more radical means of bringing peace to the Middle East (and therefore the world).

The sad fact is that this has been building up for decades. The invasion of Iraq might of brought it out a bit sooner rather than later, but such barbarism by people who call themselves muslim has been growing for years into a fulfledged war. It's inevitable, and underway already. The only question is how to end it short of genocide.

Does anyone here seriously think that there can be peace with people who would act this way? I'm starting to have serious doubts about the idea.

Charles


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 2430 times:

Does anyone here seriously think that there can be peace with people who would act this way?

How about peace with people who invade sovereign countries for no good reason?



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29805 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

Well, I always said that the war was too short.

We should have saturated bombed their cities to break their spirit.

We banned the Shinto religion after WWII for a reason, clearly the same fate needs to be considered for Islam.

It is a religon of hate and violence, with a few who claim it isn't and then put their hands over their ears and sing, "la-la-la-la" when some of its followers do this.



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User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

Animals...that is all the people that did this are...rabid animals.

We all know what should be done with rabid animals.

Do these people even think what life would be like if they were still under the Baathists? Or is that why they are acting this way, because their party is not in power any more?



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29805 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

That is the problem Jamesag96.

It is the people that supported the Bathists that are doing this, a minority but as their 35 year history shows, a violent one.

Unfortunately this is where the G.H. screwed the pooch. In 90 he listened to the UN and stopped our adavance to Bagdad and the war, in 91 he didn't provided enough support to the uprising that was occuring.

This enabled Saddam to identify and kill hundreds of thousands of those that didin't support him, which means they aren't available today to help stablize the country.



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User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

Galaxy-try to stick something of your own where the sun don't shine. There's absolutely NOTHING gleeful about any of this, friend. NOTHING. It's horrendous, but why do YOU get so defensive when someone points out where all this started? It started with George W. Bush, didn't it?

And I didn't say democracy is abad thing, did I? Way to twist it. I said something I've said over and over: Iraq will not end up a democracy. Once our troops leave, it will end up reverting to what it's always been-run by some dictator, and this time after a civil war between these factions who hate each other.

All this warring will have been for nothing-all those young GI's killed for nothing. And don't you fucking EVER say I justified the treatement of those people-read what I said-"it's a gruesome, repugnant thing". That's the quote. Get it right-if you can come up for air long enough from kissing Bush's caboose, which I don't think you have the ability to do.


I'll say what i Damn well please. You first issue wasnt the fact it was evil and barbaric, you turned it into another Anti-Bush bashing trend, YOU ALpha tried to politicize it, you did. And again as stated, i do not whole heartedly agree with Bush on everything, you only see that with your liberal colored glasses. You just oppose anything and everything slightly conservative, and then proceed to thrash those that dont agree with your narrow minded agenda. Im sure somehow i'll get banned from A.net again for defending my position and you will continue to post your Bush hate and loathing along with your good Buddies, DavidB,and roy. But the day is late and i have to go fly a late night training mission Cya in the Morning.



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

Lets face reality.

The Middle East has always been a rather tough place populated by and run by people with an abysmal human rights record and a history of savagery. There is a reason why Gandhi didn't arise in the Islamic world. Non-violence is not their credo.

The educated Iraqi middle class and upper middle class may benefit from a US occupation and may welcome democracy, but the "Arab street" is too poor, too angry, marginally educated to look towards a democratic middle east as the panacea for their problems. Did anyone believe for the slightest moment believes that this war was one based on Iraq's oil reserves. And they are not about to be fooled by Dubya's promises of a democratic Iraq.

In the interim get ready for more American deaths, more Iraqi deaths, more political murders of western educated Iraqi men and women.


25 Jaysit : http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/apdaily/033104-12v.htm Very graphic and hideous. How do you bring democracy to people like this? You don't
26 Jutes85 : The Middle East has always been a rather tough place populated by and run by people with an abysmal human rights record and a history of savagery. Hmm
27 Jaysit : The "danger" of American cities has been vastly exagerated. Baghdad is a real war zone. I feel that all these young men and women have died for NOTHIN
28 Keesje : Sickening videos on TV here regardless of who they were & why they were there, probably just nice folks in the wrong place at the wrong moment shots l
29 Jutes85 : I feel that all these young men and women have died for NOTHING. They died so that a single person can drive a Excursion, Avalanche, Escalade and any
30 Dc10guy : Damn liberal press. Its things like this that are going to ruin this war. We shouldn't let a few ungrateful ragheads get in the way of this otherwise
31 Rjpieces : As far as I'm concerned, F-16s should bomb the crap out of Fallujah tonight. These people are savages but they understand bombs. I don't care about ci
32 David b. : Reese, your in pieces. As far as I'm concerned, F-16s should bomb the crap out of Fallujah tonight. These people are savages but they understand bombs
33 777236ER : As far as I'm concerned, F-16s should bomb the crap out of Fallujah tonight. These people are savages but they understand bombs. I don't care about ci
34 WellHung : They died so that a single person can drive a Excursion, Avalanche, Escalade and any other 2 ton beast in downtown LA. And I'm proud to say this perso
35 Solarix : Bush fault? I'd first blame Saddam and his regime. He was the one who would execute people in public and video tape every murder. His execution staff
36 David b. : Yep but guess what? We are the aggressors, not Iraq. We attacked them first, they did not attack us first. The firework is over. Now, because of Washi
37 Dc10guy : But Solarix... Aren't these the poor Iraqis that Bush wants to spend 85 billion on ??? Freeing these people is the reason we are there right ???
38 Post contains images Alpha 1 : I'll say what i Damn well please. You first issue wasnt the fact it was evil and barbaric, you turned it into another Anti-Bush bashing trend.. Yes, a
39 Rjpieces : Just goes to show how Bush has alienated so many liberals and conservatives alike!
40 Cfalk : Alpha, you DO show a certain kind of glee. I suggest you reexamine your various posts. Remember the first rule of communications: It's not what you sa
41 Alpha 1 : Alpha, you DO show a certain kind of glee. I suggest you reexamine your various posts. Bullshit, Charles. I show no glee at all over this-not one fuck
42 PROSA : When I see those savages dancing over the corpses of the four Americans, I can think of only two words: Nerve Gas.
43 Alpha 1 : When I see those savages dancing over the corpses of the four Americans, I can think of only two words: Nerve Gas. A tempting thought. But then are we
44 PROSA : When I see those savages dancing over the corpses of the four Americans, I can think of only two words: Nerve Gas. A tempting thought. But then are we
45 Airworthy : I bet those people would have done the same thing whether it had been 1983 or 1825. I don't think the war had anything to do with this. Those people h
46 Jutes85 : Those people have been doing that stuff for the past 30 years and they want to keep on doing it because that's where they think they get their power a
47 Cfalk : Alpha 1, you take advantage of every incident that costs the lives of innocent people (and in this case with barbaric mutilation to boot) to push your
48 Indianguy : The ones they dragged and burned werent soldiers they were civilians. But civilians supporting the occupation forces. If i am not mistaken, they were
49 Cfalk : But civilians supporting the occupation forces. If i am not mistaken, they were contractors actively involved in helping the occupation forces. Please
50 KEESJE : Prosa, DC10guy, Solarix, L-188, RJpieces,Jamesag96, Revenge never worked ! how about something like this is on tomorrows morning news ? April 3. (Reut
51 Greaser : First of all, how dare any of you said that the soldiers, workers died for nothing, this becoming like another Vietnam, the people don't support the s
52 Zak : " what you are doing honorably" i dont see taking part in a invasion has to do with honor. you can always not follow orders. thats like eichmann and o
53 Post contains images Donder10 : In a freedom struggle, especially one as unequal as this, where the worlds most powerful army is brutally pinning down one of the worlds poorest peopl
54 Alpha 1 : Alpha 1, you take advantage of every incident that costs the lives of innocent people (and in this case with barbaric mutilation to boot) to push your
55 CHRISBA777ER : Got this deleted from a separate post so thought i'd re-post it here were it belongs! US Troops get mutilated and dismembered by Iraqi people in Fallu
56 Alpha 1 : I dont see Arabs everywhere denying affinity and condemning these appalling act. An excellent point. Amazing, they go ballistic when Israel kills a ma
57 CHRISBA777ER : I dont think that many are in favour per se, but i think a lot of them have more sympathy than they let on, also i think its pure self interest which
58 Alpha 1 : I don't know, CHRISBA777ER, seems to me the silence in the Middle East, with acts like this, is almost universal. It's really appalling, because the A
59 Post contains links Arsenal@LHR : I'd still like to see a major religious leader go on TV and condemn this, and order it to stop. The Muslim Council of Britain has taken the unpreceden
60 CHRISBA777ER : Well i think you hit the nail on the head - Arabs need to learn to separate the Israeli and Iraq issues. The problem is that their hatred for the Isra
61 Alpha 1 : That's a start, to be sure. But such letters need to start emminanting in the Middle East, as well. Until that time, Islam will continue to have a sca
62 Post contains links 777236ER : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3588529.stm http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/jordan/?id=9231 http://coranet.radicalparty.org/pressreview/print_
63 Alpha 1 : Two of our local papers used the pictures of the charred remains of those Americans on the front page of their morning editions. It was disgusting, an
64 CHRISBA777ER : The Times and the Independant both did the same thing here - but i dont think its poor decision making - you cant shy away from the news, and having a
65 Smolt : I found a link with movie clip here. You had better not look depending on mental condition. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/apdaily/033104
66 777236ER : 77236ER, those articles were nice, but actions speak louder than a few words. Those articles were more than nice - they were the condemnation you were
67 CHRISBA777ER : UK Based Muslim groups are more vociferous in their condemnation of terrorism and the recent iraq attrocities because they fear a backlash from non-Ar
68 777236ER : UK Based Muslim groups are more vociferous in their condemnation of terrorism and the recent iraq attrocities because they fear a backlash from non-Ar
69 Alpha 1 : It's CLEAR that general Arab populations, and populations in countries like Iran, oppose terrorism. No, it is NOT clear. Not at all! If it were, these
70 CHRISBA777ER : No, for what its worth its not what i think at all, but i do think that this viewpoint is an issue, both underhand in the media and also to the more r
71 777236ER : No, it is NOT clear. Not at all! Mass condemnation from Muslim and Arab communities here in the UK (that I've seen with my own eyes), as well as situa
72 Ryefly : Instead of spending the day killing and dragging bodies through the streets, these people should be spending more time off the streets and get a job l
73 CHRISBA777ER : Wow. Ryefly solves it for us right there. They cant get a job - there isnt any. The jobs there are are being taken by Shias which is why they have the
74 GDB : As disgusting, (in deed, not just to look at) as these events were, remember that this town is a rough place, benefited under Saddam for a start. But,
75 4holer : Disgusting. As is anyone who justifies such subhuman behavior. I think they should take the first few people who are arrested for this and dress them
76 Ryefly : There is so much work there that has to be done, it's funny to even think they can't get a job much less volenteer to help rebuild until one opens up.
77 Airworthy : Ryefly, I don't think those people care about "jobs". They just want money and power, and during Saddam's reign they got both. Those people were able
78 B757300 : It is sad that I have to share the same country with people who hate it as much as they do. It is sickening to see the glee members here are posting.
79 David b. : Yes, our current CINC has the guts to invade a foreign country based on lies to finish his father's job. He has the guts to "waste" 600 lives of servi
80 Rjpieces : Actually, if they had jobs and lived lives like normal Westerns the problems would be gone. Let's hope that Iraqis can work in the local McDonalds soo
81 David b. : Don't tell me the coalition controls MCDonalds too!!
82 777236ER : Disgusting. As is anyone who justifies such subhuman behavior. Anyone who justifies this is disgusting, whereas anyone who justifies a pre-emptive war
83 Horus : I'm not condoning the actions that happened, but you must understand that the Iraqis have suffered hell over the last year. Estimates on the number of
84 Rjpieces : ^From the same person who condones the Palestinian suicide bombing!!!!!!!
85 Post contains images KEESJE : photo of one of the civilians killed what kind of guys were they ?
86 L-188 : Kessje, Most of these guys that work for these private security firms are former military people, a lot of time Airborne, Ranger, Force Recon, Seal or
87 Cedarjet : So it's OK for the US to kill 15,000 Iraqi civilians but when Iraqi civilians kill 4 American paramilitaries (or whatever the hell they were doing), t
88 L-188 : Well, calm down Cedarjet. Now that I have my original color back, I feel that the reported response. Cutting of Fallujah and only letting authorized p
89 777236ER : 4Holer, you haven't answered my question.
90 Horus : Cedarjet, these double standards have been going on for a long time and they're unlikely to change...Hypocrites will always try to find an excuse, alw
91 L-188 : IF 15,000 Iraqi civilians actually died during the war Cedarjet. Not saying that collateral damage didn't occure, but we are talking about estimites h
92 Post contains links and images 727LOVER : Here's more on the victims: http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20040402001209990002 By the way, if you have AOL, I urge you to open the li
93 777236ER : 'Bring 'em on', eh?
94 Santosdumont : L-188 wrote: IF 15,000 Iraqi civilians actually died during the war Cedarjet. Not saying that collateral damage didn't occure (sic), but we are talkin
95 L-188 : Hey 777236ER, Why am I getting the feeling that you are enjoying this. Hey war is ugly and it is hell, and there are quite a few people that seem to h
96 Alpha 1 : Hey war is ugly and it is hell, and there are quite a few people that seem to have forgotten that. Maybe you should remind the President of that fact,
97 777236ER : I'm not enjoying it, it just seems that people like 4Holer are very quick to vent their spleen on here, and then refuse to answer anyone who questions
98 L-188 : I dont' think assasinating 4 mall guards and then bruning their corpses, and stringing them up from a bridges and going to war to liberate a few milli
99 777236ER : I dont' think assasinating 4 mall guards and then bruning their corpses, and stringing them up from a bridges and going to war to liberate a few milli
100 L-188 : Sorry, but you are 180 out of phase with that crack. I don't recall seeing any Coalition troops stringing bodies from bridges screaming "death to towe
101 Alpha 1 : 77236ER, that is your opinion, but I guess, finally, it shows where your sympathies lie. This type of mutilation was done out of pure hatred, nothing
102 777236ER : This type of mutilation was done out of pure hatred, nothing else. I don't think the U.S. troops harbor that kind of hatred towards the Iraqi people,
103 Alpha 1 : ...based on a lie told to the American population.. I've come to the conclusion that Bush didn't lie, but that the intelligence was extremely bad-so b
104 777236ER : So it wasn't a lie, it was bad intelligence. Intelligence that said Saddam had winds when he didn't, intelligence that showed satellite photos of 'win
105 Alpha 1 : Stop exaggerating what I said, 777236ER. It's not just "tough luck, better luck next time", and you know it. It's a serious, serious problem, and it b
106 4holer : 777236ER, Do you really think that I have nothing else in my life to do than stick around this forum to assure that you get a prompt reply? Maybe your
107 777236ER : And if you cannot see the difference between collateral damage during war, for whatever reason, and barbaric public mutilation of civilian OR military
108 Horus : 4holer Stop using the word 'collateral damage', as a sort of excuse or a reason for the deaths (or even murder) or upto 15,000 civilans. Fair enough m
109 Alpha 1 : Stop using the word 'collateral damage', as a sort of excuse or a reason for the deaths (or even murder) Stop exaggerating, Horus. "Collateral Damage"
110 777236ER : "Collateral Damage" is an appropriate word, describing damage-including death-that is not intended. Unfortunately, there are some wide-eyed souls who
111 Zak : "Please explain to us how civilian engineers working on bringing electrical, telephone, sanitary and other infrastructure helps the occupation forces?
112 L-188 : No zak. They where not mercinaries. They where security guards. They where not being paid for combat, they where there to guard a food shipment from t
113 Alpha 1 : these were not engineers but former army personell now contracted by the u.s. army doing mercenary work. Good God, now protecting food is "mercenary w
114 777236ER : Good God, now protecting food is "mercenary work". Being in a Taliban jail is too, apparently.
115 Solarix : 15,000 is nothing! Saddam killed many more than that. Of course nobody on here seems to care about the 100,000+ Iraqis who died with Saddam in power.
116 777236ER : Of course nobody on here seems to care about the 100,000+ Iraqis who died with Saddam in power. Neither did George Bush... The war was about getting r
117 CHRISBA777ER : They need private guards for the food shipments because the US and the UK troops out there cant have a standard ten man foot CP - they have to use man
118 Solarix : The war was about getting rid of a threat with WMDs. You're right, it sure was! The "weapon" was Saddam Hussein and the 100,000+ dead bodies were the
119 Alpha 1 : You're right, it sure was! The "weapon" was Saddam Hussein and the 100,000+ dead bodies were the "mass destruction. Problem with that, is that it was
120 777236ER : I say stop the aid trucks. So you'd start a war based on lies or negligent intelligence, killing 15,000 civilians then pull out letting countless othe
121 Post contains images Horus : CHRISBA777ER WOW, so the US and her poodles invade a country on lies when they really wanted to put a foot in a strategic place in the Middle East and
122 David b. : I say stop the aid trucks. Better idea, we pull out and learn to mind our own business.
123 Cfalk : Better idea, we pull out and learn to mind our own business. Have you heard what happened in Spain? They got bombed, bringing in a new government whic
124 NWA742 : Better idea, we pull out and learn to mind our own business. Think about before 9/11, we WERE minding our own business, did that stop anything? No, in
125 Alpha 1 : So pulling out does not seem to be the answer. Perhaps not, but do we have to exacerbater the damn problem by invading an Arab nation, that was not a
126 Yyz717 : Of course nobody on here seems to care about the 100,000+ Iraqis who died with Saddam in power. Actually, the estimate is closer to 1M Iraqi's killed
127 Zak : "hey where not being paid for combat, they where there to guard a food shipment from the press reports." sure that is why they have binders at their c
128 Alpha 1 : Zak-they were there to protect food shipments. Like Security Guards. Mercinaris are idiots who go out looking for people to kill. Get it right.
129 Indianguy : Please explain to us how civilian engineers working on bringing electrical, telephone, sanitary and other infrastructure helps the occupation forces?
130 Post contains images Alpha 1 : They were on "security related duties", privately trained Rambo type commando's hired to help Jay Garner supress the Iraqi people. And, just when you
131 DLKAPA : Roy, I'm about as anti-war as the people in here go, but wow. The crap that comes from you is so completely wrong that it's funny. My best friends' da
132 Indianguy : Jay Garner is no longer the Viceroy of Iraq? Couldnt take the heat eh? So whos the latest to be sent in? Whichever dude is sent in, he is going to hav
133 Post contains links Indianguy : Until you cite a source, you have NO credibility here. DLKAPA Since you asked... http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow/5
134 Post contains images NWA742 : Nice source there Indianguy, I'm sure the Indiantimes knows more about how the US conducts a war than the US itself. -NWA742
135 DLKAPA : I'm sorry I should have specified: Credible Source The times of india doesn't count. BBC? there's a good one. DLKAPA
136 L-188 : Well, when somebody who has an obvious grudge against the US, such as Roy can't even get a basic fact right Garder then one has to question everything
137 Zak : "Nice source there Indianguy, I'm sure the Indiantimes knows more about how the US conducts a war than the US itself. " actually, it will hardly becom
138 L-188 : Zak you are starting to border the "Black Helicopter" think. I wasn't aware that it was Mercinaries that where walking beats in the Shopping malls in
139 Zak : "I wasn't aware that it was Mercinaries that where walking beats in the Shopping malls in this country." i do not think that rent a cop compared with
140 VC-10 : they arent real muslims" so how many muslims that claim to be muslims not real muslims? Will you ever understand that they do not represent real Musli
141 Santosdumont : It doesn't matter what these guys were doing. No human being deserves to have their dignity besmirched in such a foul and utterly disgusting way. Now,
142 TechRep : War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth
143 Alpha 1 : Jay Garner is no longer the Viceroy of Iraq? Couldnt take the heat eh? So whos the latest to be sent in? Garner left LAST SUMMER, tovarich. LAST SUMME
144 777236ER : Do you really think that ignoring and running away from terrorists who hate us will prevent them from attacking us? What's that got to do with Iraq? T
145 777236ER : Please tell me why I was disrespectful and how I can't tolerate other user's opinions first.
146 777236ER : What are you talking about? Have you anything to add to the thread?
147 Sammyhostie : 777, Have you anything to add to the post, apart from patronising comments? Read the post! What is the US view on foreign policy? Isnt Google serving
148 777236ER : Sammyhostie, when was I being disrespectful to other people's opinions? I've merely responded with facts and my opinion. The US has an aggresive forei
149 Sammyhostie : and? what is your point 777? You all ready to slag off the allied forces in Iraq, so what is the solution? Im living in a town, (Crawley) where people
150 777236ER : and? what is your point 777? You asked, for crying out loud! You all ready to slag off the allied forces in Iraq, so what is the solution? In my opini
151 Airplay : Whats amazing is the savagery and barbaric way those "peace loving" muslims treat human bodies, Dragging them down the street, hanging them like sheep
152 Post contains links 777236ER : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3596033.stm So who should resign? And where does this leave Bush's foreign policy?
153 Sammyhostie : So who should resign? And where does this leave Bush's foreign policy? well so what is your opinion then 777. Saddam was a good man was he then ,
154 777236ER : Saddam was a good man was he then , No he was not. Seen as though you can't seem to read and comprehend the first time around, I'll copy and paste wha
155 Sammyhostie : So what would you do then ? Let the Barbarism continue then would you ? you are such a humanitarian arent you?
156 777236ER : What I would do isn't the issue. What was done is the issue.
157 Sammyhostie : What was done is the issue. What do you mean let Saddam carry on gassing his own people and us standing by and letting it continue? I dont think so!!!
158 777236ER : What do you mean let Saddam carry on gassing his own people and us standing by and letting it continue? I dont think so!!!!!!!!!!! It happened for two
159 Sammyhostie : Creator of the amazing Innuendo Threads and the completly pointless Most Pointless Threads Ever . You are not wrong there are you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yo
160 Alpha 1 : What do you mean let Saddam carry on gassing his own people and us standing by and letting it continue? Uh, Saddam gassed his people about 24 years ag
161 777236ER : Seen as though you're off topic posts aren't being deleted... Saddam was killing his own people when he was Britain and America's best friend. What ev
162 David b. : Keep in mine that the gas he had came from the US.
163 Alpha 1 : Saddam was killing his own people when he was Britain and America's best friend. He was never a "best friend" of the U.S., nor Britian. When the U.S.
164 777236ER : You know, 777236ER, like another user I recently had a tussle with, I used to think you were halfway smart. But like this user, you've gone off the de
165 MD11Engineer : Saddam went to whoever would offer him something. At first it was the Russians, who due to the fact that the Americans were supporting Turkey and Iran
166 NoUFO : When I heard of it first, I thought my blood would come to a boil. And still I could either puke or get mad or both. Thas was a horrendous attack, whi
167 Indianguy : 777236- Dont pay too much attention to Alpha 1. He is just one confused dude. First he gets picked on by others, and when he fgeels the heat get tpo h
168 777236ER : Indianguy, yeah well I'd be very shocked if Alpha could find a post by mine where I'm against the US people, culture or society, as opposed to the US
169 Alpha 1 : What a pair: Indianguy and 777236ER. Neither one who has a grip on reality when it comes to the U.S. in Iraq. One, our resident Comrade, doesn't even
170 777236ER : Neither one who has a grip on reality when it comes to the U.S. in Iraq. Alpha, why do you just resort to personal insults rather than ADDRESSING POIN
171 Alpha 1 : Aren't I being objective when I say the war was sold on bad intelligence or lies, and has led to the deaths of 15,000 innocent civilians and 600 Ameri
172 777236ER : Alpha, notice how you can't seem to back up your claim that I'm anti-American. Here's the sitatuion as I see it: The war was based on Saddam being a t
173 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Thank you for concicesly putting out your SOLUTIONS. That's what I've been looking for. IF it took my goading to get you to put out what you totally b
174 MD11Engineer : I can add: Follow this by a kind of Mashall plan for Iraq, getting as many Iraqis as possible into jobs. Don´t contract the rebuilding out to foreign
175 Alpha 1 : Don´t contract the rebuilding out to foreign companies.. Let the contracts go to whomever the Iraqi's choose, not whom the Pentagon will choose. The
176 777236ER : The last thing we need is more of that crap from Washington. See, how is that any less anti-American than what I've ever posted?!
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