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Walmart: How Bad Is It Really?  
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17659 posts, RR: 46
Posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3143 times:

Next to the US, the liberals favorite target is Walmart, and while I've heard all the arguments as to why it's the devil's spawn, I've never been convinced. Anybody care to try?


E pur si muove -Galileo
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User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

No, their second favorite target next to the US is ice cream. With sprinkles, of course. Rotary dial phones, non-ballpoint pens and computer mouse balls are all up there on the list, as well.

I think you just earned yourself a new nickname, Sprinkles.


User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11718 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3087 times:

This is only me personally:

I never shop at Wal-Mart because, while everything there is low priced, the quality is poor. The mall is less crowded but also sells higher quality merchandise and actually has more of a selection even though one pays a little more. I think some people just simply look at price and have forgotten that quality is important as well. Example: I paid $10 for a high quality sweater from Meier & Frank. $10 is mid-priced and mid-quality at Wal-Mart.

One other reason I never shop there is the service. I love my stores: Meier & Frank, ExpressMen, Fossil, Anchor Blue, Ross.... the list goes on. The clerks there actually try to help. The last time I was in Wal-Mart and asked where something was the clerk was either on break and ignored me or, with the waive of a hand, said "Over there somewhere...." and walked away. I know they are busy stocking and breaks are manditory, but two seconds to answer a question is all I ask.

Plus, those narrow aisles and the families of 20.......

No, the mall is way better for me.

GO CANUCKS!!



Life in the wall is a drag.
User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3072 times:

I go to Walmart for groceries mainly, but also sometimes for other things too. They are the cheapest around so I like it. If other stores are mad about the low prices they should do something about like lower their prices too and not just complain.


Pershoyu Spravoyu Litaki!
User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3069 times:

Speaking of Wal Mart, how did they fare in the referendum yesterday?


Yay Pudding!
User currently offlineProSimTec From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3057 times:

Speaking of Wal Mart, how did they fare in the referendum yesterday?

They crashed and burned...Somewhere around 60% against


User currently offlineStartvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

They only exist to run small business out of a market then jack prices back up to disgusting levels. They can do this because they are so large and can buy in quantity smaller stores never see. Personally I do a fair portion of my grocery shopping there unless I can avoid it but their meat and produce is low quality so I happily pay a few cents more at HEB for stuff that is decent.

As for other household items, I do get some it at wally world simply because it is so cheap. I am too poor to have principles.


User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3421 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

how exactly does wal*mart do any more damage to small buisness than target or K-mart? I used to avoid the place, but I've met a few employees recently, none of whom hate their job as much as one would expect at that sort of place. I do know they are militantly anti-union, though some on this board might consider that good thing...


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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17659 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

"They only exist to run small business out of a market then jack prices back up to disgusting levels"

I have never seen any valid proof of this. Can you verify what you've said? I understand all the charges that have been leveled against Walmart but the proof I've seen thus far is breathtakingly thin. In this case, Walmart still sells (and competes with) the same items on the internet, so it can't raise prices back to "disgusting levels". What is a "disgusting level" for a bottle of shampoo anyhow?

[Edited 2004-04-07 23:36:42]


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineDodgecharger From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

I try an avoid the super Wal-Mart where I live because it is just flat out one of the dirtiest places to go, and the kids that are there usually need to be restrained on a leash of some sort.

Also, is it me or do rednecks and thugs go to wal-mart and just "hang out" at Wal-mart. I don't think they buy anything, they just "hang out."

I prefer the Target in my town which although little pricier is much much cleaner, the employees dont smell, and they actually seem to help you if you have a question.


User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

Walmart...bad really bad

Anti union, and exploitation of overseas workers are 2 very good reasons to spend your money elsewhere



I don't like signatures...
User currently offlineBhill From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

..see the post on "White Trash Furniture"..Wal-Mart..just say no!!


Carpe Pices
User currently offlineNorth County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

Seb146,

Walmart has a great selection of sporting goods, BBQ's, hardware and gardening items. Great prices.

Who goes to Walmart for clothes?

Malls are for clothing.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17659 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

"Anti union, and exploitation of overseas workers are 2 very good reasons to spend your money elsewhere"

I'm anti-union so that's not a problem, and I don't believe their overseas employment is any better or worse than Target, Kmart, Gap, etc, etc.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

I have nothing against Walmart...the ones in the Boston area, from my personal experiences, are pretty decent and attract a pretty well-to-do crowd. I will admit I don't buy my clothes from there, but their electronics department is pretty good, as I have bought digital cameras, FS2004, joysticks, and many other things from there.

Jeff


User currently offlineB747Skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

Surprise to you - we have Wal*Mart in Argentina.
Looks very much like the ones in the USA.
xxx
The other large chain is Carrefour (France) in Argentina.
The two hyper-market chains are about equivalent.
I definitely prefer Carrefour, better foods, meats, wines...
Other than that, Wal*Mart and Carrefour are about equal.
xxx
Happy contrails  Smile
(s) Skipper


User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

Maverick M11


Proves you're a **** (everyone, choose your favourite insult here), but then again we all knew that as soon as we read your post

Hey no worries, you'll grow up some day.
Then you'll understand the stupidity and short sightedness of what you've written



I don't like signatures...
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

Like anything, it really depends on the store.

The one close to my house is actually pretty nice, it is a smaller one.

There is one in town however that we refer to as the "Ghetto Wal-mart".



Deisel one, you don't have enough seniority on this site to call anybody anything.

Besides all unions are good for is to shake me down for another $75 a month for nothing.

What ever happened to just doing a good job?



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13642 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2913 times:
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While I don't always agree with union propaganda, this stands out, particularly the part in boldface.

Behind the door of every Wal-Mart superstore lies a global empire of sweatshops where basic human rights are ignored and managers compete to exploit workers to the greatest extent possible.

No cliche or description can do adequate justice to the economic misery spawned my thousands of Wal-Mart stores metastasizing across the U.S. and Canada. Good paying manufacturing jobs in North America are disappearing faster than rain forests in Brazil as entire industries decamp for low wage locations to preserve their contracts with the price-squeezing retailer.

China is now home to more than 80% of the 6,000 factories suppyling goods to Wal-Mart. Labor and human rights groups routinely point to starvation wages and government indifference to horrific working conditions among reasons why Wal-Mart favors the world's most underdeveloped nations.

Using its vast purchasing power, Wal-Mart demands deep cost cutting from suppliers - a strategy that rewards companies with the lowest wages and the least benefits while encouraging even more companies to move production overseas.

Teaming up for what is being called "the ultimate joint venture," China and Wal-Mart are threatening to set benchmarks for wages and working conditions around the world. From health care and pensions to workplace safety and consumer protection, Wal-Mart is leading the way in the race to the bottom.


The high cost of Wal-Mart's low prices should be reason enough for most community-conscious consumers to think twice before patronizing the megastores. For union menbers, the toll in lost jobs alone is reason to do everything possible to make their homes and communities "Wal-Mart Free."




I've said it before and I'll say it again - we, the consumers, are the ones to blame for this latest bit of evolution in the economic cycle. We've voted with our wallets for low prices, and the manufacturers have realized that they can't cut quality, so they must cut production costs, namely wages and benefits. Many times, they simply close up shop and move the manufacturing jobs overseas, where foreign workers will gladly take the job for a fraction of the cost of an American worker - with no benefits whatsoever.

It's not illegal or even immoral - but we're the ones to blame for what's going on here.



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

I have a hard time blaming myself when the owners of WalMart are something like #4-8 on the richest people in the world list. Obviously they're in it to make a profit, but that's not the point. I also have a hard time blaming myself when the executives outsource and congratulate themselves on their cost-cutting by increasing their bonuses.

What they realize is, they can't cut THEIR salaries.

[Edited 2004-04-08 02:42:25]

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

I never shop at Wal-Mart because, while everything there is low priced, the quality is poor.

I agree. It's only worthwhile for some disposables that you can buy en masse. Cases of diet coke or laundry detergent.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17659 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2895 times:

"Maverick M11


Proves you're a **** (everyone, choose your favourite insult here), but then again we all knew that as soon as we read your post

Hey no worries, you'll grow up some day.
Then you'll understand the stupidity and short sightedness of what you've written
"

Good argument! The name calling really packed the punch in your argument. *eyeroll* A)I'm open to seeing any rational argument against Walmart. B) I personally feel that unions are antideluvian Luddites who would have campaigned against things like the printing press, the car, and even airplanes because it would put manuscript writers, horse and buggy drivers, and the train employees out on the street. Trade protection has failed each and every time it's been put in place, and unions are a form of trade protection. Instead of protecting goods, you're protecting jobs, which in the end, result in higher prices, higher taxes, and less competition, and that hurts everyone. I'm sorry as a Briton you feel so French. But here's a newsflash, the world's best economies with the highest per capita income didn't get that way because they protected their goods and services products and jobs.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineJetChaser From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2894 times:

Diesel1;

Anti union, and exploitation of overseas workers are 2 very good reasons to spend your money elsewhere

What evidence do you have to support "exploitation of overseas workers"?

JetChaser







User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17659 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2888 times:

EA CO AS,

Could you provide some background? Where did that article come from? While I believe that there are sweatshops and shady manufacturing plants all over the place, the products that Walmart buys from them are mostly name brand products that are sold everywhere from Target to Bob's General store. Also, what were these employees doing before they started working for these sweatshops? I'm guessing it was either subsistence farming or something less rewarding. While they may not be in a great position right now, their wealth will increase, and so will their demands for better labor practices in concert with the outside world's demands. Sweatshops, in essence, aren't a good thing, but they are far better than subsistence farming especially when they provide the basis from which to garner better labor practices and higher wages for such a large sector of society.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13642 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2887 times:
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What evidence do you have to support "exploitation of overseas workers"?

Just my $0.02 worth, but I think "exploitation" is a subjective term here.

If you tell a U.S. factory worker that the Chinese factory worker is earning just $20.00 a day, with no paid vacation, health care, or retirement plan he'd say the worker was being exploited.

However, if that Chinese factory worker has never earned more than $20.00 a MONTH before, and previously worked in the fields all day under the hot sun, I'm sure he'd tell you his new employer is wonderful and benevolent and he's happy as a clam.

It all depends on whose point of view you happen to look at.



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
25 EA CO AS : Could you provide some background? Where did that article come from? It was a print article I'd seen, published by the International Association of Ma
26 MaverickM11 : "If you tell a U.S. factory worker that the Chinese factory worker is earning just $20.00 a day, with no paid vacation, health care, or retirement pla
27 IHadAPheo : I use Wal-Mart for what it is in my mind...a place to save some cash on selected items. I however would much rather shop at Target if a was in the dep
28 AA7771stClass : Disclaimer: I have and do shop at Walmart and am quite hypocritical in my statement, but admitting stupidity is the first step to gaining knowledge...
29 Doug_Or : I almost always avoid shopping there unless I'm with someone whos going, but at some point i itnhk it needs to be explained why we're so afraid of loo
30 NKP S2 : How bad? Depends. I hate "shopping center" traffic. I strongly dislike wandering stores larger than Luxembourg I don't particularly care for sullen/ev
31 Post contains links CLEfan : Here is why I refuse to shop at Wal-Mart: http://www.forbes.com/newswire/2004/01/13/rtr1208409.html Wal-Mart violates child labor laws and break and m
32 Phxairfan : Walmart is good for groceries, when you are in college. Beer when you want a 24 pack for under 10$. Present's for large amounts of people, and stuff t
33 Post contains links Diesel1 : The following links make interesting reading, and give some details on the kind of practices that make Walmart the company they are today... http://ne
34 BestWestern : Interesting article... WalMart is the US's largest employeer. In the UK, Asda (walmart has 100% ownership) is voted the best place to work. The staff
35 LHMark : I have a buy-from-the little-guy ethos. I feel that the community is healthier when smaller businesses are nurtured. Therefore, I usually make a decis
36 N6376m : What I don't get is that everyone seems to hate Walmart yet they continue to grow. I see a lot of parallels to LCC. I think that Walmart has redefined
37 BestWestern : Why buy from multinational supermarket A when you can buy the exact same branded product from B cheaper. Especially when the B experience is better th
38 Boeing757/767 : I avoid WalMart at all costs. My reasons: -- Poor quality merchandise. My wife shops there (to my chagrin) and some of the stuff (luggage in one case)
39 Post contains images Diesel1 : Best Western - you're right about Asda being a good employer - I know a number of people who work there from shop floor to area management and they al
40 Seb146 : The only reason to shop at Wal-Mart around here is in case you want to buy electronics, furniture, clothes, or pet supplies at 3AM. I find it way more
41 777236ER : On the union issue: bad employers leads to unions, and usually bad unions. While the concept of unions is nobel, more often than not the unions themse
42 Diesel1 : There are Good employers & Bad employers There are Good Unions & Bad Unions Most Employers would probably say there is no need for unions - their empl
43 Copaair737 : I always stay clear of WalMart. I find it horribly dirty, and the rednecks who frequent there make me want to lose my lunch. Their kids are terribly m
44 Post contains images Texan : I've never seen evidence of WalMart coming into a town, driving the local stores out of business and then raising the prices astronomically high. They
45 TYSGoVols : i love shopping at Wally World. The place is amazing, it has everything. < Garen
46 Post contains images DfwRevolution : I don't see what everyone has against WalMart. When I learned my neighborhood was getting one, I wasnt happy. They put the damn thing in the middle of
47 Post contains links 767Lover : I have to challenge A7771stclass. He said, you will also notice that Walmart has not made the big jump into the true cities; they abound in suburbs an
48 MaverickM11 : "http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2496357.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1397943.stm http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604
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