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Japanese & South Koreans Taken As Hostages In Iraq  
User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2407 times:

Apparently the situation gets worse and worse.

Al-Jazeera reports that the "Anti-occupation fighters" have kidnapped 3 Japanese citizens and German n-tv reports that they also have a few South Koreans.

"Anti-occupation fighters warn Japan to withdraw in 3 days or Japanese will be killed."

Do you think Japan will withdraw their troops ? And how will the completly messed up situation there be solved ?

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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6575 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2368 times:
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threatened Thursday to burn the Japanese alive if Tokyo did not withdraw from the U.S.-led coalition

This is getting worse and worse.  Sad

What have we as human race become? Here we are watching "American Idol" while stuff like this happens. Why is it that our top priority as humans is not to make sure that everyone is treated with respect and to help each other out.

Sh*t, that is what ants do!, Are we not better than ants?

[Edited 2004-04-08 16:52:25]


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

It's a very sad situation, but I can't see it getting any better


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2363 times:

These people are scumbags, but these scumbags have been given an openining by this ill-conceived war.

User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

i dont think japan will withdraw their troops under any circumstance except a joint coalition withdrawal.

and those people, well i honestly think they should enjoy the last few days of their life because i think they will get killed by the insurgents.
there might be a remote chance that special forces will try to rescue them, considering the attitude of the insurgents, i doubt the hostages would survice the second their defenders would have realized what is going on.

sad but true, there are more victims to the war that never should have happened.



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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

I agree ZAK, Saddam and Osama should have given up a long time ago and none of this would have been necessary.

Shame...


User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

Leave Iraq to the Iraq:i people!!!
It is a disaster that US are there
and their "friends" from other countries.
US government is the biggest problem
in the question about war & peace.
Kick out Bush in november. A good start...


User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2287 times:


Well this clearly demostrates that it them against the world, they do not care who they attack, US, Spanish, Japanese, Koreans, Polish, hell even their own people.

They want to control their country and are already against the ruling party that was set to take control in June/2004.



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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

"These people are scumbags, but these scumbags have been given an openining by this ill-conceived war."

I completely agree. If the west had simply ignored and isolated those such as Bin Laden, we wouldn't have such a problem with them now. Unfortunately, dealing with them was like poking a hornet's nest. We opened pandora's box.


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

Didn't we ignore him to a large extent pre-Nairobi/Dar es Salaam?

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

Al-Jazeera reports that the "Anti-occupation fighters"

Don't you just love how they try to find the least offensive to muslim names for those guys.



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User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2732 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

Peoples confidence that the Jap. govt. willl stand firm is touching but misplaced.

Such an event only confirms what all Japanese already think, everything outside Japan is dangerous and unpredictable and best avoided.

Public opinion here won't see it as cutting and running, rather a logical return to the safety of Japan. I predict they will fold !



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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

All this was predicted months before Bush went into Iraq.

Even on this forum, a lot of us warned the Bush-supporters that a democracy NEVER can be forced.

Bush unilaterally went into Iraq, without an International backing.

As said so much before the war, Bush only had a plann for the war itself, but not for what was going to happen after the war.

That even the Americans would not be able to control the situation after the war was predicted, and here we have the prove...

As much as those people are scumbags, like Alpha1 correctly pointed out, also Bush has blood on his hands for everyone that will die, because Bush used a totally wrong strategy.

The only thing that will MAYBE calm down Iraq is an INTERNATIONAL coalition, including the UN, and why not with the NATO participating.

Nice situation: leave Iraq allone, and you get a civil war. Stay in Iraq, and you are attacked + you lose control (something that Rumsfeld did not want to admit yesterday, is he connected to the Iraqi minister of information?).

Oh sorry, it's all Clinton's fault  Nuts

Frederic


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

They also kidnapped two Arab Israeli citizens, one of whom was working on an aid project to help provide resources to physically disabled children for school (i.e. wheelchairs) in Iraq. Lovely isn't it...


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User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2481 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

If they want the troops out of there, then fine, why not retreat the troops. If a civil war is what they want, then fine, let them have a civil war, but they shouldn't come back and cry for International help when the situation gets even worse and they start killing eachother. I think only the Iraqi people themselves can and need to solve this problem, the UN (which will probably become a target again) or NATO won't be able to help much.

Christian


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2160 times:

MidnightMike,

It's not them against the world. It's them against the illegal invaders. Spain, the US, Italy, Poland and now Japan have all lost citizens in Iraq. The one thing that all these countrys have in common is a governement that supports and contributes to the illegal invasion. I'm very saddened that civilians lives, especially innocent ones like these Japanese are put into jeopardize, and the real jerks are talking rough language from the comfort of their office. I hope the japanese governement will choose to save the lives of their people... and the japanese people will follow Spain's example in getting rid of their governement.



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User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Manni,

So is Syria helping the coalition? The last time I checked they weren't, and some of their citizens were still taken hostage.

To the terrorists it doesn't matter which country you're from or what your intent is, if they are able to use you for the advancement of their cause then they will do so.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2139 times:

Manni,

I'll add, does Israel have any troops in the region? These terrorists also captured two Israeli aid workers, they don't seem to care.



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User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

two u.s. citizens and five italians have just been captured according to reports.


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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Airworthy,

'if they are able to use you for the advancement of their cause they will do so'

You mean like lying about weapons of mass destruction and evidence of weapons of mass destruction in order to justify an invasion and build up an international coalition?





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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

"They also kidnapped two Arab Israeli citizens, one of whom was working on an aid project to help provide resources to physically disabled children for school (i.e. wheelchairs) in Iraq. Lovely isn't it..."

The gentlemen that was working with the children is actually a Syrian born Canadian. It's all over the news up here. His family is here, and they've been here for years. Nobody is sure why in that video of him he says he's Israeli. The Department of Foreign Affairs Canada has made contact with the militants and negotiations are underway for his release.

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/04/10/canada/fadel040410

I just saw the video of the captured Japanese and South Koreans. They are in civilian clothing, I was under the impression they had captured military personnel. Anybody have info on what Japanese civilians were doing in Iraq?



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User currently offlineWn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

You mean like lying about weapons of mass destruction and evidence of weapons of mass destruction in order to justify an invasion and build up an international coalition?


Hate to be the one to inform you, but that really didn't matter to begin with. Saddam knew damned well that his days were numbered the second Bush was sworn in. If he were as smart as he thinks he is, he should have packed it up & skipped town when Bush gave him the opportunity. At least then he'd be living it up switzerland or somewhere nice like that.

As for these vermin in Iraq. . . I don't see American and coalition forces taking and incinerating hostages and innocent civilians. In fact, we have taken great strides to step around these people when attacking our targets. This scum on the otherhand, deliberately seek out soft targets. All that and they don't even have a real or worthwhile agenda. Just more terror & chaos. At least we have a plan that involves civilisation and profit on some level.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2027 times:

As for these vermin in Iraq. . . I don't see American and coalition forces taking and incinerating hostages and innocent civilians.

Though Iraqis and American forces have one thing in common: their governments have both started pre-emptive wars for stupid reasons.


User currently offlineWally236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

"Though Iraqis and American forces have one thing in common: their governments have both started pre-emptive wars for stupid reasons."

Whats your source?


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

Bush unilaterally went into Iraq, without an International backing.

Now there's a ~*BLATANTLY FALSE statement *~ if ever I saw one  Insane  Insane





The only thing that will MAYBE calm down Iraq is an INTERNATIONAL coalition

SIXTY ONE [61, LXI, 六十一] nations backed the Iraq war, more than half of them actively.

While I realize that uberlibs cannot accept that fact, seeing as the number of supportive nations wasn't 64............... but for the life of me, I still cannot figure out why some of you continually resort to this provenly utter hogwash  Yeah sure


25 Alpha 1 : At least we have a plan that involves civilisation and profit on some level. We do? We may have had a plan up to getting a Constitution in place, but
26 Zak : @concordeboy since you are certainly a pro democracy(after all the war was for democracy in iraq wasnt it), i have a few questions: - how many of thos
27 777236ER : Whats your source? It's personal opinion. Do you have any evidence that I'm wrong?
28 ConcordeBoy : - how many of those 61 nations and banana republics did actually have the majority of their population back the politics? Now that that lesson in spin
29 MaverickM11 : "You mean like lying about weapons of mass destruction and evidence of weapons of mass destruction in order to justify an invasion and build up an int
30 ConcordeBoy : Please document said "lies". And while you're at it, please elaborate on how said "lies" differed from the exact same information made public by Bill
31 MaverickM11 : "And while you're at it, please elaborate on how said "lies" differed from the exact same information made public by Bill Clinton (whom no one-- parti
32 Sabena 690 : Zak: you took the words right out of my mouth. Concordeboy: me an uberlib? Thanks for the laugh...
33 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : The only reason we're having this discussion is because two groups differed on how to deal with that conclusion. Correction: the groups differed WHETH
34 Manni : Bush and his muppets ensured the world that Iraq could strike with WMD's within a certain (relatively short) period of time. Bush's prime reason to ta
35 MaverickM11 : "Bush and his muppets ensured the world that Iraq could strike with WMD's within a certain (relatively short) period of time. Bush's prime reason to t
36 Manni : Everyone agreed that Saddam was bad, far from everyone agreed that Saddam had WMD's. Hans Blix and his inspectors were send to Iraq to search for them
37 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : disclaimer, this reply only holds true if you do not recognize the US governement as everyone ...or if you're a complete and utter idiot who chooses t
38 Klaus : Incorrect. Almost all countries assumed Iraq could possibly have had WMDs, so Blix should go and check (which he did). The Bush administration plus "t
39 ConcordeBoy : Almost all countries assumed Iraq could possibly have had WMDs There's no "could possibly have had" as the despot USED THEM for all the world to see.
40 Klaus : A series of intensive inspections/disarmaments and ten years later, some people actually thought it was time for a re-evaluation. As it turned out, th
41 Manni : Concordeboy, If you want to involve some mudslinging, go ahead. I wont follow your example and call you an idiot just because your either misinformed
42 Post contains images Klaus : Come on, Manni, no need to go overboard on the other side!
43 Solarix : America should be ashamed for what they did to the Iraqi people While you may enjoy the fact that thousands of Iraqis were being slaughtered every yea
44 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : The fact that they are the only country that have ever used the A-bomb makes it even worse. Considering that the politics of Seychelles, Andorra, Zamb
45 MaverickM11 : "America should be ashamed for what they did to the Iraqi people and how they tried to fool the whole world. The fact that they are the only country t
46 L-188 : The fact that they are the only country that have ever used the A-bomb makes it even worse. I am sure that the 1 to 2 million Americans where were not
47 LoneStarMike : Memo to all Foreign Countries:If you don't want your civilian citizens kidnapped and killed in Iraq, then don't send them over there to do work that t
48 MaverickM11 : "Why is Halliburton paying contractors $80,000 per year (tax free) to go over there and work, when there are millions of Iraqi's out of work who could
49 Post contains links LoneStarMike : No. They're Halliburton employees on Halliburton's payroll and the money to pay them is coming from the 10 year 4.5 billion dollar contract that the P
50 MaverickM11 : "No. They're Halliburton employees on Halliburton's payroll and the money to pay them is coming from the 10 year 4.5 billion dollar contract that the
51 Manni : 'I'm sure you'd rather Japan had carried that distinction instead, considering that it was the only other plausible alternative'. I'm sure these hundr
52 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Contrasted to the millions, if not hundreds of millions, of both Americans and Euros who would have been vaporized had that been the outcome. Idiot.
53 Post contains images Manni : Idiot Great contribution Concordeboy. Let us hope nobody ever sacrifies your live, without your permission, in order to save the lives of others. Worm
54 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : To add to your lunacy... you realize you've just done a complete 180 with that comment right?
55 Post contains links 777236ER : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3622347.stm Forty hostages now held.
56 MD11Engineer : Germany pulled the civil defense people and the GSG9 border policemen out after two border police officers on the way to guard duty at the German emba
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