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What Happens When Israel Pulls Out Of Gaza?  
User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

Good evening everyone............I was wondering, what exactly will happen when Israel pulls out of Gaza in the coming months? Is there a solid plan yet?

Will the Palestinians create a state or will a civil war erupt and the hatred/"war" against Israel continue?

Thoughts.....?

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User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

When Israel pulls out Hamas will assume control. Perhaps Israel should have done this years ago when there wasn't so much of a vacuum to fill.

Imagine this happening at the same time that the US leaves Iraq in a mess. Half of Iraq's governing council has either left or is contemplating leaving.




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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Israel could vacate the entire area, and there would still be arabs chasing them all over the world trying to blow them up. Arafat was bombing in Israel long before Curfews and road blocks started.

J


User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

The "war" will continue against Israel and i can understand them. Sharon is far more worse than Saddam ever was. I support the palestinians. We can also ask ourself why USA want to install "democracy" in Iraq BUT support Saudiarabia, a non-democratic old-style ruled kingdom since many years...???

User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

I don't really care to know what happens in Gaza once Israel pulls out. It should no longer be Israel's responsibility to babysit the Palestinians and provide them the infrastructure that they do in the area.

If terrorism continues to originate out of Gaza after the withdrawal, the Israeli government has threatened that it would cut off water and electricity to the Palestinians in Gaza (which it currently does) and stop supporting their infrastructure. The Palestinians get a hell of a lot more support from Israel than they do their Arab "brothers". I think Gaza is just going to deteriorate once Israel leaves.



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

Funny isn´t it, the Gaza should belong to Egypt like it did before 1967 and Egypt should be responsible for the people there....


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

Rjpieces, I can assure you there won't be any civil war. Yes, there are problems and differences (as in every nation) but there are bigger more important issues than anything that can start an internal war.

Artsyman, Israel and jewish forces have been attacking Palestinians (Muslims and Christians) even before the zionist state was forcefully establised in 1948. And for the last 56 years the massacres have continued.

Tbar220, No one asked the jewish state to occupy foreign land and claim its ownership over it. And as for occupation of Gaza and West Bank, how can you call it babysitting.
Jesus, if Israel was a babysitter...the horrific scenes of murder, mutilation and torture that parents would have back too. How can you say something like that

Alexandro, The Palestinians are there own people, and they should rul over themselves.

Bofredrick, its good to see someone who sees the issue as it really is  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

Sharon is far more worse than Saddam ever was.

Another soul who has swallowed the PR of Hamas and the terrorists. Saddam and Sharon DON'T EVEN COMPARE. Saddam murdered thousands of his own people, started two wars-one estimated costing the two sides a million lives.

Sharon is no saint, and he's done some dumb things, but he's been fighting against an enemy that, no matter what Israel does, wants them destroyed, and will not, despite the utopian crowd in the world, stop attacking Israel even if a Palestinian state is created.

I support the palestinians.

Too vague, my friend. Do you support the PALESTINIAN PEOPLE, and their right to live and determine their own future? Or do you support the murdering scumbags who blow up themselves and innocent Israeli's? I support the former-the right of those people to determine their own destiny. I do not support the terrorists. And the Palestinian people, if they're ever going to get a state, needs to start separating themselves from the action of these genocidal murderes like Hamas and Hezbollah.

So what is it, Bofredrick? Do you support the PEOPLE, or do you support the terrorists? Be very careful how you answer, friend.

And for the last 56 years the massacres have continued.

And what about the terrorists, Horus? Again, no mention of the suicide bombers, who blow up civilians. Not a peep, again from you? Typical of Arabs. Sorry if that's a stereotype, but you beg for it in this one, friend.

So, what happens, Horus, when Gaza is abandoned? Is peace given a chance? Or do you still support the murder of Israeli citizens, as you do now? And what happens, in your view, if a Palestinian state IS formed? Do you support peace with Israel, or will you continue to call for it's destruction?

By the way, have you sent flowers to Yassin's family lately? (dripping with sarcasm)


User currently offlineAviationMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

What happens if Israel pulls out? Good question to which I don't know the answer to. I doubt there would be peace, because of the huge amount of people with views like the one of a fellow forum members, peace probably will never be given a chance. It will only come to an end when the fingerpointing stops and both sides accept their erros (something thats lightyears away). Really sad, but thats the way I see it. An option and a good start would be by educating the whole region.

Oh and before I forget, Sharon and Saddam, no no, they don't compare my friend. Open your eyes porfavor!


User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 943 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

Bofredrik: Sharon is far more worse than Saddam ever was.

Are you enjoying yourself when you show everybody your ignorance?
Saddam is responsible for the death of well over 1,000,000 people, many of them Iraqis whom he ordered to kill.
Sharon doesn’t get to his foots.

Rjpieces,
Your guess is as good as anyone else. There will be a fight for controlling the strip and the question is how violent will it be (if it be) but this is not the big problem.
When Israel will leave the GS, Palestinians won’t be allowed anymore to enter Israel (for work or anything else). The Erez industrial zone in the north of the strip will be close too and, of course, there will be no more jobs in the settlements (although most of them are already lost). Those who work in Israel are actually supporting the entire strip. Most of the Palestinian won’t have a job and the only way they will have to go is Egypt and you can be sure that it doesn’t make Mubarak (Egyptian president) very happy.
If Arafat was doing what he was suppose to do when he came to the strip in 94’, it could have been different but he simply betrayed his own people.

As already said, Israel will continue to supply electric power and water but if the Palestinians won’t control themselves, then who knows?
I don’t think there is a detailed plan for the withdrawal yet and it all depends with what Sharon will return from Bush latter this week.

Anyway I don’t see this withdraw taking place in the near future.




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User currently offlineSolarix From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

Sharon is far more worse than Saddam ever was.

Please elaborate how Sharon is worse than Saddam. I would like to see actual facts explaining how Sharon was worse than Saddam --- not just a bunch of hot air coming from Sweden. Sharon is far from perfect, but saying he is worse than Saddam is like saying Martin Luther King was the leader of the KKK.


User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

I don't mind elaborating on Sharon's crimes - i'm a Palestinian expat myself.

Saddam and Sharon are two different things, but I can tell you Sharon is one of the biggest war criminals alive today. Look up the Sabra and Shattila massacres that have happened in '82, and that is more than enough. He was responsible for sealing of the area while a Chrisitian Lebenese faction (cant recall the name) killed, raped and mamed over 2000 civilians in the camps. His recent crimes in the West Bank & Gaza are bad enough, dont forget that it is the Palestinians being occupied by the Israeli army, not the Palestinians occupying the Israelis.

@Alpha 1: Typical Arabs? LOL! This is a typical IGNORANT comment, and because I am not one to sterotype I will not make a comment like yours, but did you forget the amount of Palestinians who were made refugees in 1948? I am ready to give you a list of massacres now, look up the following: Deir Yassin, Sabra and Shatilla, and Qana. These three are only some of the dozens of massacres. The suicide bombers might be killing civilians, but the Israeli Army is killing many more.

And for your sarcastic comment - had I had the chance I would have sent Yassin the flowers.

One last thing - Horus never called for the destruction of Israel and neither do I, I would love to see peace and be able to visit my homeland, not possible is it? I wouldn't be allowed in.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

I don't mind elaborating on Sharon's crimes - i'm a Palestinian expat myself.

I'd like for once, to see an Arab elaborate on the crimes of people like Arafat, Yassin, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc, who, if not for them, peace MIGHT have a chance in hell some day.

but I can tell you Sharon is one of the biggest war criminals alive today.

Yaaawn.

@Alpha 1: Typical Arabs? LOL! This is a typical IGNORANT comment

Actually, it fits the reality. Arabs screamed bloody murder when a bloody murderer like Yassin was, thankfully, taken down. Yet not a peep come from Arabs when a few dozen Jews are blown up, who are doing nothing but going about their lives as best they can.

And for your sarcastic comment - had I had the chance I would have sent Yassin the flowers.

Then I stand by my comment-typical Arabs. You mourn for a murderer like Yassin, who's sole goal is destroying a nation, and yet you make not a peep when it comes to the deaths of a single Jew.

Yes. Typical Arab. Don't like it. Too bad. Until Arabs finally get smart-and after 50 years of this nonsense against Israel, it looks like your people will NEVER get smart on this account, and turn away from terror and violence, your people will never be accepted by the world.


User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

Someone please answer me this. Who is Israel supposed to negotiate with? Hezbollah, the PLO, Hamas, etc . . . Why should they negotiate with anyone of these organizations if the counterparty isn't empowered to deliver anything?

-76M


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

Good point, N6376m. Hey, we agree on something.  Big thumbs up

Again, until the Palestinains, and the entire Arab world shows a willingness to turn from terror-and NOT lay flowers on graves of assholes like Yassin, but instead lay piles of shit on top of his grave, and the graves of all terrorists, nothing will be accomplished.


User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

Arabs have to get smart even though there the ones being occupied? If your willing to give up your home and the US to foreigners I say there's something wrong with you but I damn right am not prepared to give up Palestine. Did you read anything I wrote? Look at your ignorance - I give you the evidence you discard it. Since your so sure of these peoples crimes please tell us, im very interested to hear about them.

Alpha1 Wrote:Then I stand by my comment-typical Arabs. You mourn for a murderer like Yassin, who's sole goal is destroying a nation, and yet you make not a peep when it comes to the deaths of a single Jew.

Not a peep? What about the US media which gives you a documentary on the life of a Jew that has died but when a dozen Palestinians die its only written in the newsbar at the bottom.

Terror and Violence? Because we use suicide bombs while Israel use F-16s, Apaches, Tanks, Soldiers and god knows what else? As I mentioned before, we are the ones being occupied, about 5 times more Palestinians have died than Israelis, if not more.

What the hell do you know about Yassin? What you have heard - a murderer, hates this hates that, wants them to die, if Sharon died now look at how many mourners would come, hes a criminal whether you like it or not. Again, learn to read, evidence above, not enough i'll be glad to give you more.

Alpha1 Wrote: I'd like for once, to see an Arab elaborate on the crimes of people like Arafat, Yassin, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc, who, if not for them, peace MIGHT have a chance in hell some day.

Yep, Arab terrorists, Islamic fanatics, so on. Israelis are defending themselves by killing children women and men, and they are just defending their security. Homes and people can be sacrificed for them, no problem. What the hell? Genocide for their security too. (Also dripping with sarcasam)

A final word - I have completley expressed myself without attacking you personally or attacking the US people but you seem to be hell-bent on doing so, please try to answer like a normal civilized person


User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

QR332 -

I think you are speaking from an uniformed position. Israel's heavy handed treatment of the people in the occupied territories are almost a nightly news item. The characterization that the death of a palestinian is a newsbar at the bottom of the page is just incorrect.

Now I will tell you that the same news cast that report the Israeli actions also carried pictures of Palestinians dancing in the street on Sept 11. Can you imagine the sort of hatred such pictures creates in the US toward the palestinians? Granted, it is always wrong to characterize an entire group of people based on the actions of a few, but as I've said in the past on other threads, the biggest public relation problem the palestinian movement has in the US is the absolute silence of its main stream members to publicly and actively not just condem terrorism but to take steps to root it out.

Until that is done, the palestinian people (as a group) will be view as at least tacit supporters of terrorism. As long as that impression remains, the US cannot get behind the palestinian cause because any politician that does so, would be labeled as a supporter of terrorism.

IMO the best move the palestinian movement ever did was to adopt a peaceful strategy during the early to mid-1990's. By rejecting the acts of terrorism, it gained world support and made Israel look like the bad guy. While the pace of change was slow, the movement was making headway. However the rise of the infatada (I'm not sure I spelled that correctly but no offense was intended) immediately gave Israel the argument that there was no room to negotiate with terrorist.

As terrorism rises globally and affects more and more nations, I think we will see a strong backlash against palestinians and by association, the corrupt elements within the Arab world that seek to hide behind the palestinian cause not because they support the palestinian people or the notion of Jerusalem as a holy city within the Muslim religion, but because of their hatred of the Jews. Note that I clearly realize that most Muslims do not believe that the Jews need to be destroyed but the ones who seem to speak the loudest certainly do.

These are just my observations as someone who has a greater than average interest in the geopolitical situation of the region. I look forward to your comments.

-76M


User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

Alpha1,

You and I agree on a whole lot more than either one of us would like to admit. Though there are certain positions you take that drive me crazy, I've always respected your position and your right to hold those beliefs (no matter how wrong they are  Big grin).

-76M


User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2253 times:

Don't forget that more Palestinians have been killed by fellow Arab countries than by Israel!

"Rjpieces, I can assure you there won't be any civil war. Yes, there are problems and differences (as in every nation) but there are bigger more important issues than anything that can start an internal war."

Based on what are you assuring me? All signs point to Hamas rising in power, and they are not the ones the US and Israel will be negotiating with.

Before Horus starts listing his "figures", to get back to the original question.....Why doesn't Egypt take responsibility for some of the Gaza Strip as they always seem to care most about the Palestinian situation and not about their own.


User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2246 times:

N6376m,
I see your point of view on this but Alpha1's responses really pissed me off, it is a huge steretype. The pictures of Palestinians dancing in the streets was a very bad image and I watched it myself on CNN, but just to clarify something, these celebrations were very localized, and the Palestinians actually held on September 12th in all their schools 5 minutes of silence for the Americans killed in Sept. 11th.

I see what you mean by giving hatred, but think about WHY they hate the Americans and where celebrating. All of Israelis weapons are American, and America gives Israel huge amounts of money and lots of support, and this causes a lot of hatred. This is definatley not a justification of the celebrations, I am just clarifying where they stand on this point.

I for one support resistance as long as the Israeli army is inside Palestinian lands, but if there was a peacful solution and the Israelis did actually withdraw then I would support peace by all means. I do not wish to see every Israeli dead or see the entire nation destroyed, what I wish to see is peace and an end to this conflict, and to see the Palestinians and Israelis living side by side equally and peacfully. There are many reasons the Palestinians hate the Israelis and you cant blame us - homes being destroyed, bombings, innocent civilians being shot, and many more things. This has to stop, and it is not fair to put all the blame on the different factions.


User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Rjpieces - missed your post. Can you clarify on your point? More Palestinians killed by fellow Arab countires :S

Egypt has no responsibility for the Gaza Strip, and has had none since 1967. They have nothing to do with this conflict and dont see how they can help.


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

Alpha1, Ariel Sharon is worse than Saddam. He has one of the worst track records of a 'leader'. Just once condemn this 'man' (if you can even call him that). Israel and Jewish forces have been responsible for deaths of thousand of Palestinians and other acts of terrorism since the late 1800s. Do I ever hear you say anything about them? No.
I can give you an extended list of all jewish people and the brutal acts of terrorism they have commited if you'd like.
You seem to attack Palestinian groups that have only been around of a 'short' period, yet you hardly mention or attack the jewish people who commited attrocites against the Palestinians that lead to the formation of such groups.


N6376m, Jesus! stop bringing up that CNN clip of Palestinians dancing because of 9/11. It was proven that the clip was taken 3 years before the actual event. And because I know you will dismiss this piece of infomation as an 'Arab lie', this was actually debated and proven and a programme was shown of this in the UK on the BBC last year.

Why do you not call massacres conducted by Jewish forces against Palestinians as terrorism. It is this hypocrisy and double standards that is unbelieveable. You attack Iraq because they have violated UN resolutions yet the zionist state that has violated many more remain the US's staunchest alley is Israel.

Also Arabs are not hiding behind the Palestinian cause to vent out their hatred of jews. Its comments like these that just go to show how little you know on the subject. If any other people, whether Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddists, Germans, Chileans, Australians or even another fellow Arab state had attacked and occupied Palestine and commited these dispicable acts of terrorism against Palestinians (Muslims and Christians) then the same uproar would have happened.



QR332, Ahlan Beek! Big grin
In my short time in this forum I have noticed that people seem to attack the Palestinians as well as Arabs based on lack of understanding. Sometimes you can supply them with statistics, numbers, dates, places, names, details, accounts, official sources (many given by independant international bodies like the Red Cross) yet some members would simply like to ignore them, deny them or dismiss them as Arab propaganda without even giving a reasonable argument.
Anyway I hope you have a good time in this forum!



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User currently offlineLY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

All I know is that in a year and a half I'll be in the army and I'll be happy to be somewhere near Gaza...

User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 943 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

Rjpieces: Why doesn't Egypt take responsibility for some of the Gaza Strip as they always seem to care most about the Palestinian situation and not about their own.

You can take a step back and ask: why didn’t Egypt demand the GS back when they made peace with Israel in 1979?

The answer is: THEY WERE SMART.
The GS is a problem, why should they have it?

On an area smaller than 1 square kilometer with 5 starts hotel and beautiful coast they "fought" for almost 10 years, but to take the GS? Why?

The Israeli-Arabs are also support the Palestinians. Some of them even take suicide bombers to their destination or hide them inside Israel, but when there was an idea of land changing, which means Israeli-Arabs will continue to leave where they are but under a Palestinian state (and some settlements will remain where they are under Israeli rule), they went nuts. They said no way and I guess they know why. To support the Palestinians is one thing and to be one is probably something else.

QR332: Rjpieces - missed your post. Can you clarify on your point? More Palestinians killed by fellow Arab countires

Here is just one example. On September 1970 the Jordanian army killed 10,000 Palestinians in just few days (after they hijacked and blew up 3 aircrafts in Jordan).



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13704 posts, RR: 61
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2216 times:
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N6376m, Jesus! stop bringing up that CNN clip of Palestinians dancing because of 9/11. It was proven that the clip was taken 3 years before the actual event. And because I know you will dismiss this piece of infomation as an 'Arab lie', this was actually debated and proven and a programme was shown of this in the UK on the BBC last year

Source, please? Show us conclusive proof and I'll believe you.




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25 QR332 : Avi - what is your source exactly, this seems to be something I havent heard about before.
26 N6376m : Horus, first of all for you to use the word "Jesus!" in the manner in which you did is exteremely offensive to me. If there ever is going to be a solu
27 Rjpieces : "Also Arabs are not hiding behind the Palestinian cause to vent out their hatred of jews. Its comments like these that just go to show how little you
28 Horus : N63676m, sorry if you thought using the expression 'jesus' was not suitbale, but it is a commonly used expression when one is bewildered. I can assure
29 Avi : QR332:Avi - what is your source exactly, this seems to be something I havent heard about before. You never heard of Black September? As I said, after
30 Horus : Avi, The EU praised the Palestinians for their work towards the peace during the 51 day cease-fire, so it's ridiculous to try and point the finger at
31 Post contains images Avi : Horus:Avi, The EU... You said the EU, you said it all By the way, the 23 dead I mention were killed in a single attack, there were others during that
32 QR332 : Avi, I asked about Black September and sadly it is true, and I will openly admit that both the Jordanians and Palestinians are mistaken here, but to s
33 Wn700driver : For 51 days Palestinian groups such as Hamas abided by the agreement and halted attacks. At the same period Israel continued with its incursions, its
34 Avi : QR332:And many of the people that are in Israeli prisons now are actually innocent, Believe me, there are so many guilty guys that we don’t have spa
35 Tbar220 : I'm simply amazed by some people's knowledge of history of the region. Study some history, and see how the Arab's have treated the Palestinians in the
36 Post contains links Tbar220 : "In 1970 the Palestinians under Yassir Arafat's PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization) were strutting around Jordan, particularly Amman, with weapo
37 L-188 : Israel is going to watch that border very very tightly. Evenmore so then today.
38 Alpha 1 : Not a peep? What about the US media which gives you a documentary on the life of a Jew that has died but when a dozen Palestinians die its only writte
39 Bofredrik : Maybe we should MOVE Israel to the US? That would be the best possible solution. Israel could be the 51:st state. Where? It is up to you US citizens t
40 QR332 : Alpha1 you blind? Did your mom drop you on the head as a baby? How many times did I mention I want peace, I want the war to end, yet you still keep co
41 Horus : Bofedrick and QR332, both of you have given true intelligent arguments, but you just wait and see how certain other members are gonna come out and den
42 Alpha 1 : How many times did I mention I want peace, Sure you want peace-after Israel is destroyed. After that, you'll have peace, right? I'm no fool. Don't try
43 Bofredrik : Why do you Alpha 1 think it was correct by jewes to use terror in the 30:s and the 40:s against arabs? I have not seen any comment about that... It is
44 Alpha 1 : Why do you think it's correct to use it today, Bofredrick? And did you say me say it WAS OK for that. It's not, not in any circumstance. But you seem
45 N6376m : Horus - Let's see where you really stand. - Yes or No, does Israel have right to exist? - Yes or No, do you reject the notion that the goal of the pal
46 Horus : N6376m -Yes, but not on the land and homes of its indiginous population. Chaim Weizzman, leader of the World Zionist Organisation, came up with the sl
47 Aerobalance : Stone throwing will become a sport and not a method of war....
48 Alpha 1 : -The motive of Palestinian movements is to defend itself from jewish forces who commit terrorist activities on its people. That's an outright lie. The
49 N6376m : Sorry I missed #28. To answer your question Absolutely I think almost all Americans would fight back. I know I would. There's a cliche that says, one
50 QR332 : Alpha1, do you only read what you want to read? PEACE WITH THE ISRAELIS LIVING SIDE BY SIDE. I dont give two craps frankly if you "buy my stories" or
51 Avi : QR332: Avi - Yes I do know, and they were living happily and there was peace, Well, peace is a relative term. While there was no Israeli military offe
52 Post contains links Horus : N6376M, OF cousre I am against acts of terrorism. It is against Islam and human nature, but like you said one man's terrorist is another freedom fight
53 Post contains images Tbar220 : Horus, You are really good at cutting and pasting the same post in different threads numerous times. Do you think anybody's going to read it anymore?
54 Horus : Tbar220, well if you don't like reading about the truth, you don't have to. No one's forcing you to look. Would you prefer it if I kept changing histo
55 N6376m : Horus, again I raise the issue that any discussion about whose homeland it is needs to be judged within a historical framework. Jews occupied those la
56 QR332 : 76M, Don't forget we arent claiming the land for Islam, we are claiming it for Palestinians, this includes Muslims, Christians and Jews. There are man
57 Horus : Now Bush has more or less accepted Israel's claim to almost 50% of the West Bank, due to the illegal jewish settlements that accomadate hundreds of th
58 Tbar220 : It has nothing to do with "the truth", it has to do that you don't respond to the topic or the posts addressed to you, instead repeatedly posting the
59 Horus : Tbar220, sorry if repeating history annoys you. I told you before and I'll say it again HISTORY DOES NOT CHANGE just because you're fed up with the tr
60 Rjpieces : Horus, all of your posts talk about what happened 50 years ago! As much as you must hate the history of the Arab people and thier inability to destroy
61 N6376m : Horus - -Yes/No, Israel/jewish forces have committed violent acts of terrorism against the Palestinians (Muslims and Christians) before and after 1948
62 Post contains links QR332 : 76M, Heres one of the worst examples. This link is different from the one in the other thread, but still contains info about Deir Yassin: http://elect
63 Alessandro : I still think Gaza should be under Egyptians, because they gave it to Israel during Camp David dosen´t mean that they don´t have responsibility for
64 Tbar220 : Alessandro, Perhaps you see why so many Palestinians are dying during this Intefadah? The terrorists that claim to represent the Palestinians, that cl
65 Alessandro : Exactly, Palestinians has been fighting in many places not only Israel. But people tend to "forget" that and only point fingers at Israel...
66 N6376m : QR332 - Certainly if we accept the story of what is described on those links as true and full accurate, those are horrible events. However, one must c
67 Go Canada! : "Artsyman, Israel and jewish forces have been attacking Palestinians (Muslims and Christians) even before the zionist state was forcefully establised
68 Rjpieces : Excellent post Go Canada, don't you love how they stop responding once conclusive points have been made against them? So let's hear it Horus, does Isr
69 Horus : Rjpieces, mmm...read post #45 and 46...so typical of you Besides it's good to see how critical you are when given statistics by pro-Israeli, anti Pale
70 Rjpieces : Your typical lies....In reply 46 you had a mighty long "But." I would like to hear your answer....Does the country Israel, where it is now, have a rig
71 Post contains links QR332 : Post 46 is a lie, Rjpieces? Do you know anything at all about Horus other than him being Arab so t say that? Israel has a right to exist BUT not on a
72 Rjpieces : " Israel has a right to exist BUT not on a land that was not theirs, and I believe they lost that right when they expelled all of the Palestinians fro
73 Post contains images David b. : arify this statement........What land does Israel have a right to exist on? You see QR332, by saying Israel has a right to exist, and then saying "but
74 David b. : As much as many of you like to label Israel as one with the US, Israel is a separate foreign country. They built it on their own and they would contin
75 QR332 : Rjpieces - How the hell are we in the medieval ages? You think I would ever approve of a country that is living in the same land they expelled my fami
76 Yul2010 : Rjpieces, I think David b. is right. You asked me if I was a jew hater, and you are asking Horus if he is... Is that your only come back? So, it's our
77 Post contains images Horus : YUL2010, I read his book and thoought it was pretty good on explaining many of the current issues in the Middle East
78 Rjpieces : "WRONG!!!!!!! Stop twisting his words. It makes sense...............to logical and not one-sided people " Not at all. Explain to me what he meant with
79 Horus : Rjpieces: Lets get some things straight: -You claim that I said, 'Jews wish to control the Middle East'. Please show me one qoute where I said that. -
80 Post contains links and images Rjpieces : You claim that I, 'label the Israeli military as Jewish forces'. Again I never said that. I refer to the IDF, when talking about the attrocities after
81 Rjpieces : Love how you stop responding once somebody slams your arguments to the ground.
82 Horus : Rjpieces, this is the final time I reply to your petty questions Is that enough proof for you? You are unbelievable, I explained to you that I refer t
83 Rjpieces : I would just love to hear you say whether Israel has a right to exist. Because if your answer is what I expect, I want you to know why the Arab world
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