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Osama Bin Laden Offers Peace To Europe!  
User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

Ha anyone heard more about this? That's sounds really amazing!!
Al Jazeera has got a tape from OBL where he is willing to offer peace to the european countries but not the US.

Wow! That is very kind of him I must say. That OBL is a really great guy  Yeah sure

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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2732 times:

Well considering the former Irish PM suggested that the US should open "negotiations" with Binnie, I think he thinks that he has an opening.


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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

He is just tryng to further divide the US from the rest of the world. Sadly, some may take him up on it...., wouldn't fancy taking OBL's word for anything..

J


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3867 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

Reuters briefly mentions it here

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

Running scared?




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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

This is utter bullsh*t, since OBL has NOTHING to say anymore.

We are facing a much bigger danger now: small terroristic groups working on their own, under the 'label' Al Qaeda.

Since the war in Afghanistan, there is no central Al Qaeda-organisation anymore. Al Qaeda is dead.

This has resulted in a lot of small 'sleeping' terror groups, spread all over the world, who are working on their own instead of in charge of a big Al Qaeda organisation with OBL as the leader.

A recent report revealed that about 18000 (!!) of those inactif terrorists are currently spread over the world.

The sad thing is: there's nothing you can do about it. Catching OBL doesn't make any sense anymore (only for moral reasons). You have an enemy, but you don't know who it is and when they will become actif.

Watch out for more terror attacks soon. Of course much smaller terror attacks (the chance of getting a second 9/11 is extremely small).

This is also a reason why a lot of paranoia in the US is strongly exaggerated, and one of the reasons why the invasion in Iraq has nothing done to terrorism, except stimulating it.

Europe is as (un)safe as the US, and as the rest of the world. Something we will have to life with. I'm glad I can say that this does not influence my life, while some other people (especially in the US) have the feeling that terrorists are behind all corners.

Frederic


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

I'm sorry, but didn't a group connected to Al Qaeda attack Madrid?


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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4859 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2669 times:
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"Catching OBL doesn't make any sense anymore (only for moral reasons). You have an enemy, but you don't know who it is and when they will become actif."

A huge benefit of taking out Osama is you cut off a lot of the funding for these terrorists. Without a central, WEALTHY command, these small "independent" cells lack the kind of funding it will take to organize a large scale attack equaling, or exceeding that of 9/11 IMO.



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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6054 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2664 times:

Without a central, WEALTHY command, these small "independent" cells lack the kind of funding it will take to organize a large scale attack equaling, or exceeding that of 9/11 IMO.

So, you're suggesting going after the House of Saud? Aka. the Saudi Royal Family, because they've been funding Al Qaeda & OBL for quite a long time. But of course, that's not going to happen as long as Bush is in the White House.

Not to mention that women in Saudi Arabia have very few rights, which also seems to be of great concern for Bush (hello Aghanistan & Iraq). I'll venture to say that they have fewer rights than the Viking Women had more than a 1000 years ago  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineKrushny From Spain, joined Dec 2000, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2645 times:

Nothing from the OBL crowd is credible. After the Madrid attack, they declared a truce in Europe , two weeks later they removed it, now they propose another... BS. I would suggest Osama to follow the same course as his guys in Leganés and blows himself chanting to Allah...

Without a central, WEALTHY command, these small "independent" cells lack the kind of funding it will take to organize a large scale attack equaling, or exceeding that of 9/11 IMO.

The funny things is that the Spanish cell did not need external funding... the financed themselves by petty crimes : drugs, credit card fraud or mobile phones forging. Catching OBL is necessary because he is a symbol and provides "moral fuel" to his followers, but I am not sure about the financial side .



User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 63
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

Fertilizer and diesel are not very expensive and you can cause a lot of damage wih them. But a truce with OBL would be the most stupid thing ever.

Jan


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

I'm sorry, but didn't a group connected to Al Qaeda attack Madrid?

No, as I said, smaller groups use the name 'Al Qaeda'. There is no 'Al Qaeda' anymore. Unfortunately the media generalizes all those separate groups with Al Qaeda.

They are Muslim extremists, small groups, get fundings from criminal practics/..., and like this, they can finance terror attacks like the ones in Istanbul/Casablanca/Madrid/...

A huge benefit of taking out Osama is you cut off a lot of the funding for these terrorists.

OBL is currently more busy with saving his own a$$. He has nothing to say anymore. He is currently hiding somewhere in the mountains.

Without a central, WEALTHY command, these small "independent" cells lack the kind of funding it will take to organize a large scale attack equaling, or exceeding that of 9/11 IMO.

That's very true... that's why I said that 'Europe is safe' is not true: we are, due to those small separate working groups, as unsafe as the US. Don't forget that, for an attack like 9/11, you need a HUGE central command with huge fundings. Before the war in Afghanistan, Al Qaeda had the power to make attacks like 9/11. Due to the war in Afghanistan, this central command has dissapeared. But certainly hasn't lead to more safety.

So, you're suggesting going after the House of Saud? Aka. the Saudi Royal Family, because they've been funding Al Qaeda & OBL for quite a long time. But of course, that's not going to happen as long as Bush is in the White House.

We know indeed that a large number of the Al Qaeda 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia. Of course, Bush could not declare the war to Saudi Arabia. And this is why I'm already saying for months and months that the war in Iraq was important for geopolitical reasons: when Bush manages to turn Iraq into a pro-Western democracy, he will be able to put more pressure on Saudi Arabia. This is, I think, an important reason for the war (of course justified to the public as being for the Iraqi people etc, plain hypocrisy). Bush does not care about the Iraqi people, neither about Saddam Hussein. Of course, when you want to create a pro-Western democracy, you have to work with an INTERNATIONAL coallition. The NATO had to be in charge of all what happened in Iraq. Unfortunately, Bush went the bilateral way (UK-US + some troops out of Italy/...), and he is getting the consequences now.

Frederic


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6054 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

Unfortunately, Bush went the bilateral way (UK-US + some troops out of Italy/...), and he is getting the consequences now.

Hey, don't forget the Danes! We supplied some all-important snowplows  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 63
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

If the Iraq campaign had succeeded (not the shambles it is in now!), it would have made the US independend of Saudi oil, giving them a big leverage against the house of Saud (clean up your house or we´ll bankrupt you by boycotting your oil!) and it would have set an example to other Arab and Muslim countries on how to unite Islam with human rights and democracy. But this would have cost more than Bush was willing to invest (no tax rises at home! Minimum of troops sent to Iraq).

I agree that rthe official Al Qaeda is finished,as far as centrally controled attacks are concerned, but OBL is still important as a symbol, the guy who gives the US and the West the finger, which is very important in the Arab machismo world (this is also how Saddam survived so long, he wasn´t strong, but he gave an appearance of strength and defiance). OBL will probably rather blow himself up to be regarded as a martyr than to be caught, and face the disgrace of being sent to court and maybe even be sent to a mental institution as a dangerous crazy.

The danger today comes from small, independent, fanatic groups, often already installed in western countries, who either claim that such "wordly" things as constitutions are of no interest, because they are only responsible to God, or disgrunteled second generation immigrants, who didn´t succeed here (for example I wonder about the need of status symbols by immigrants, in my company the Germans, British and Americans all drive old bangers of cars, while some of our immgrant colleagues, Greek, Turkish,Russian, get themselves into huge debts to buy a big, fat Merc or BMW, to whom do they want to show off?) and blame the nonbelieving mainstream world around them.

Jan


User currently offlineVCE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

Italy has immediately replied with our President Carlo Azeglio Ciampi, our Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, our Foreign Minister Franco Frattini, the cheaf of the Opposition Francesco Rutelli. They've all spoken with one voice. Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has said on behalf of all Italy that our country "will never discuss with terrorists, and we will never give in to the terrorists".

Yesterday it was also killed an Italian taken hostage by the Iraqi terrorists.
This was the last sentence said by Fabrizio Quattrocchi a few seconds before he was shoted by the terrorists in Iraq.

"Now i show how is able to die an Italian! Viva l'Italia!".

I don't want to say anything more in this tragic day, except to remind that in this moment all Italy is united beyind our Institutions and beyind our Government.
The Opposition has in fact expressed its full support to PM Berlusconi that has immediately said: "They have destroyed a life, they have not cracked our values and our efforts for peace".

Viva la Libertà!


User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

I think people are missing the point. Al Qaeda was a loose organization of terrorist cell with somewhat of a centralized command and control function. It's not like they wore uniforms that designated them as members. OBL provided funding resources to them and allow them to coordinate their activities.

The absolute worst thing that could happen is for the US to capture OBL alive. Can anyone imagine the wave of terrorist attacks that would follow. Instead, I've always believed that the field commanders have instructions to either take him quitely and not let anyone know that we have him (though that would be very hard to do), keep him for a while, interrogate him then put a bullet through his head or alternatively to kill him on site and move on.

There is no way that the threat of terrorism will ever completely disappear. Look at the Israeli example. That country, above all others, probably has the best vigilance and procedures in place to defend itself against terrorist act, yet individual homicide bombers regularly commit acts of terrorism. If Israel, with its much more restrictive society and restrictions on civil liberties can't stop terrorism NOBODY WILL.

The best anyone can hope for is to disrupt the command, communication and control (c3) apperatus that allows these groups to conduct coordinated or large scale attacks. While clearly, the US is in a mess in Iraq, who would have guess on Sept 12, 2001 that there would not be further large scale terrorist attacks against the US in the following three years?

The best defense is a strong offense. We've put terrorist C3 on the run aroudn the world. Everything we can do to keep them on the run is a victory in our battle against them. But we need to be mentally prepared for the day that a small group conducts another act of terrorism on US soil because it will occur.

Likewise, European leaders need to be mindful that cutting a deal with the devil only reinforces their notion that terrorism can bring them victory. To accept short-term peace at the expense of allowing these groups to re-establish their centralize C3 functionality is short-sighted and will create much bigger problems for everyone in the long-run.


User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2525 times:

Likewise, European leaders need to be mindful that cutting a deal with the devil only reinforces their notion that terrorism can bring them victory.


I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say, but so far, no European leaders have even indicated, that they want to negotiate with criminal scum...at least the German and the British government have explicitly said they certainly won't!! EU commission said likewise!



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User currently offlineVCE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

Right Andreas. The first two Governments in Europe that have explicity said they will never accept a deal with Al Qaida were today morning the Brit Gov't and the Italian Gov't.
I appreciate the fact that the German Government follows the same line. I'll wait now an answer from Chirac. Smile


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Yesterday it was also killed an Italian taken hostage by the Iraqi terrorists.

Now I'm sorry, but how are Iraqi citizens with mass support in places like Fallujah terrorists? They may be the enemy, but they're not terrorists.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

The german government and the current EU presidency have rejected the "offer" as well. Big surprise.  Insane

Our government didn´t negotiate with "our own" terrorists in the 1970s and they most certainly won´t start making deals with criminals now.


User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

First point to make is that it was NOT the irish prime minister who made those comments, rather the former Northern Irish Head Minister, a UK Labour Goverment Cabient Minister who was dimissed from her job several years ago.

However, onto the main focus, we cannot negogiate with terrorists no more so than to negogiate with nazis. A group built on terror will not end itself in peace talks, besides what can they offer? Al Queda and its linked groups are not a state, they have no democratic legitmacy, rather a collection of criminals and fanatics.

To a left winger though this is all about iraq, the arguement is that if we hadnt attacked iraq none of this would happen. Bin Laden has picked up on this and has frankly managed to link iraq and terrorism better together than bush did in the run up to war. Spain has been stupid enough to think it wouldnt get terror attacked again if it pulled out troops from iraq only to find a massive 2nd bomb on a railway line and comments from Al Queda and from Spainish security services that the attacks were planned since 2002.

Thankfully though the goverments of europe seem to have realised that irrespective of their differing views on Iraq, terrorism has to be defeated.France,Germany and many other anti war countries are still on Al Quedas hit list simply because they represent a western ideal of life, based on judeo-christain morality which is wholly unacceptable to a mad very small bunch of muslims who have been brainwashed into think Allah wants them to blow people up.

FYI Klaus, while your points make sense, Germany didnt exactly come out of the munich hostage crisis smelling of roses, especially after the goverment used a lufthansa flight which was 'accidentally' hijacked to exchange terrorists for civilians.



It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
User currently offlineSolarix From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2465 times:

Bin Laden knows he is in trouble if he has to create a "truce" with Europe. I think he realized they are quite pissed off especially after what happened in Madrid. The unfortunately thing is that it seems whenever a tape or transcript comes out from Al-Qaeda, there is an attack a short time later. I guess only time will tell us what happens next.

This was said by OBL in an audio tape from early 2004:

"It is enough to know that the economy of all Arab countries is weaker than the economy of one country that had once been part of our [Islamic] world when we used to truly adhere to Islam. That country is the lost Andalusia. Spain is an infidel country, but its economy is stronger than our economy because the ruler there is accountable. In our countries, there is no accountability or punishment but there is only obedience to the rulers and prayers of long life for them."

It was just a few months between this text and the Madrid bombings, but it does show you that in OBL's eyes, Spain is an infidel along with the rest of us.

May Bin Laden rot in hell!


User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2458 times:

Oh Fecksake take the deal - these guys arent worth bothering about.

Get out of Iraq and let them get on with it their way.

 Big thumbs up


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 63
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

GoCanada,

Big surprise! Bertie Ahern, the PM of Ireland is member of the same party, Fianna Fail, to which the 1930s-1940 PM Eamon de Valera belonged. This guy used to have IRA terrorists hanged whenever he could get a hand on them.

Jan


User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2429 times:

Right, Mo Mowlam who said those comments that L-188 refers to is a member of the UK labour party, she is not an irish polictian.

Im not sure what your point about Ahren and de Valera is.
De Valera was a member of the Ira and Sinn Fein and then sought to destroy it after falling out with Michael Collins.
Bertie Ahen is anti terrorist as has been every irish goverment since independence, thats nothing with al queda and Im not sure what this has got to do with Mo Mowlam, a British Mp saying we need to talk to Bin Laden.

No Irish leader has said we need to talk to bin laden in my recollection, if they have please show me where.

Frankly it seems as if a few people are confused.
Northern Ireland is part of the UK, it is not Irish.
Ireland is Irish, Northern Ireland is british.
They are two different countries.
A British MP from the party of the British Goverment,though not a goverment member said we should talk to bin laden.
She used to be the British goverment minister in charge for Northern Ireland.
She is not Northern Irish nor Southern Irish so I fail to see where Bertie Ahern, Eamon De Valera and the Irish republic come in.



It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
25 Klaus : Go Canada!: FYI Klaus, while your points make sense, Germany didnt exactly come out of the munich hostage crisis smelling of roses, especially after t
26 MD11Engineer : GoCanada, I just found it laughable that somebody suggested that it was a former Irish PM suggesting to talk with Al Qaeda, it wasn´t you, but L-188!
27 NoUFO : VCE: I'll wait now an answer from Chirac. The French government has already announced that this "offer" would not deserve any comment.
28 Post contains images VCE : True NoUFO.. they arrived as the last anyway. But they will not send any soldiers to help. A perfect system to stay with feet in both sides.. terrible
29 NoUFO : they arrived as the last anyway Says who? And what kind of argument is that, anyway? But they will not send any soldiers to help. The first French sol
30 777236ER : True NoUFO.. they arrived as the last anyway. But they will not send any soldiers to help. A perfect system to stay with feet in both sides.. terrible
31 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Bush went the bilateral way (UK-US + some troops out of Italy/...) Horseshit! 61 countries supported Op. Iraqi Freedom, and over half of them actively
32 777236ER : 61 countries supported Op. Iraqi Freedom, and over half of them actively engaged therein. Care to name them? How many were in the security council? Ho
33 VCE : Dear UFO.. i of course meant that President Chirac is arrived in late respect the other Governments that have said NO to any deal with Al Qaida. Italy
34 Post contains links 777236ER : i of course meant that President Chirac is arrived in late respect the other Governments that have said NO to any deal with Al Qaida. Italy and the UK
35 VCE : What an effective Opposition... In a democracy the foreign policy it's bipartisan my dear. Here it's so, with the exception of the Communists. Regardi
36 777236ER : In a democracy the foreign policy it's bipartisan my dear How do you work that out? Foreign policy is the foreign policy of the government, not of the
37 VCE : 777236ER, in a big democracy the foreign policy doesn't change when it changes the 'colour' of the Government. This is in Italy, this is in the UK.
38 777236ER : 777236ER, in a big democracy the foreign policy doesn't change when it changes the 'colour' of the Government. What are you talking about? Foreign pol
39 TYSGoVols : First of all to say that any country has no relevance in the world is a bit arogant. Secondly who really gives a crap about teh security council, whi
40 VCE : 777236ER, this is something really difficult for you to understand it seams.. Do you think that the Tories would have taken a different position than
41 Artsyman : I think Bin Laden wrongly thought that anti-American sentiment = pro arab sentiment, and has now found out otherwise. Look for some huge attacks over
42 777236ER : First of all to say that any country has no relevance in the world is a bit arogant Maybe, but it's true. Secondly who really gives a crap about teh s
43 Post contains images TYSGoVols : If I am not mistaken wasn't there a report here not to long ago that showed teh French and Russian or was it the French and German governments had hig
44 VCE : After so many stupid messages i simply say: God Bless Italy and God Bless the United States of America! God Bless Freedom! We will never give in to th
45 777236ER : 777236ER, this is something really difficult for you to understand it seams.. Do you think that the Tories would have taken a different position than
46 777236ER : U.S.A. U.K. Spain Italy Japan I believe Austrailia not sure though Yep some pretty unimportant countries, yep. You missed of countries like Afghanista
47 TYSGoVols : To say that just because countries like China, France, Germany and Russia this was not unilateral is crap. A larger percentage of countries came toget
48 VCE : TYSGoVols, i TOTALLY agree with You! God Bless Italy, God Bless America, God Bless Freedom!
49 777236ER : A larger percentage of countries came together to support this effort. Really? Source please? And this is now a war by NUMBERS? Instead of getting sou
50 VCE : 777236ER, i speak about Freedom because i'm proud that on this issue all the Italians (except a few Communists) are united and loyal with our Allies t
51 777236ER : 777236ER, i speak about Freedom because i'm proud that on this issue all the Italians (except a few Communists) are united and loyal with our Allies t
52 VCE : 777236ER you don't seam to love so much the west.. it really seams the opposite. Unfortunately. I fully respect the small minority that in Italy ask t
53 777236ER : 777236ER you don't seam to love so much the west.. it really seams the opposite. Because I question my government, and don't think the war was justifi
54 Post contains images VCE : 777236ER, no problem, i respect yr idea but i disagree with you Anyway, you can't change my position and the last thing i want is to change yr. Ciao
55 TYSGoVols : How do you know there were no WMD's have you yourself been there? Has the coalition been over every square inch of the country? To say they have yet t
56 NoUFO : Garen, no one said the Iraqi people would be better off if Saddam were still in power. Claiming that the world has actually become less stable is a va
57 Alpha 1 : How do you know there were no WMD's have you yourself been there? Has the coalition been over every square inch of the country? Garan, come on, alread
58 TYSGoVols : I disagree there has not been enough time to find these weapons. It took us how many months to find Saddam. And where did we find him? Let me answer t
59 Alpha 1 : I disagree there has not been enough time to find these weapons. Then let me ask you this: why didn't we just let the UN inspectors have as much time
60 TYSGoVols : That whole analogy of letting the inspectors ahve their time is crap. They were paraded around the country for years. Saddam knew where they were goin
61 Alpha 1 : That whole analogy of letting the inspectors ahve their time is crap. Oh, but to cover Bush's ass, we should give him forever and a day? ROTFL. That's
62 TYSGoVols : Weren't they there for more like 12 years. The sanctions were in place and as part of the cease fire, which Iraq broke via invading the no fly zone nu
63 Alpha 1 : Weren't they there for more like 12 years. Gotcha! No, the inspectors were NOT there for 12 years. They were there for a short time after the '91 war,
64 Rev3oh2 : The fact that Saddam sent agents to try to assassinate the first President George Bush in Kuwait is reason enough for the U.S. to have gone in and tak
65 Sebolino : Rev3oh2, It's pure BS. Bush had as an argument that Hussein had WMD but above all that he was able and wanted to attack the US with them. It was alrea
66 VonRichtofen : "He had several months head start in hiding them. How many feet down he could have gone to bury them." Even if this is true, WMD's buried under 20 fee
67 Post contains links MD-90 : Here is the speech, most of it, at least, for those interested. Excerpts compiled by MEMRI, the Middle East Research Institute. http://www.nationalrev
68 MD-90 : As far as the coalition not including very many UN Security Council members, that shouldn't be a surprise. The UN Oil for Food program was so corrupt
69 Post contains links and images DC-10 Levo : This is an article written in this morning's "The Sun": http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004172963,,00.html Headline is "Peace Off Bin Laden" and
70 777236ER : I'm glad to see there's another noble European on this forum, VCE. And I'll agree with you that it doesn't seem like 777236ER likes the West very much
71 Post contains images Klaus : It´s exactly the same idea of "nobility" that the terrorists have: "If you´ve got exactly the same extreme opinion I do, you´re noble and courageou
72 777236ER : It seems that the idea of nobility extends to 'in a big democracy the foreign policy doesn't change when it changes the 'colour' of the Government'. A
73 MD-90 : Ahhh... the bliss of absolute truth! Yeah, best source for that is the Bible.
74 Alpha 1 : Yeah, best source for that is the Bible. Translation: if you don't believe in the Bible, you're wrong, and I'm right. Ah, the bliss of arrogance.
75 N6376m : Has France surrendered yet?
76 777236ER : Yeah, best source for that is the Bible. The Bible?! Are you so insecure that you have to bring it into every discussion, even ones that have nothing
77 Post contains images Klaus : Klaus: Ahhh... the bliss of absolute truth! MD-90 : Yeah, best source for that is the Bible. Yep; It has brought us the flat earth, witch hunts, the c
78 VCE : Dear MD-90 thank You for Your kind message. I don't believe to be a noble European, i'm a simply lover of Freedom. I feel shame for many Europeans who
79 MD-90 : Klaus, every single one of those things you mention were perpetrated by the Catholic Church. Here's a hint. I'm PROTESTANT, not Catholic. The Catholic
80 777236ER : 777236ER, I don't have time to both going and looking up specific examples, but trust me, your anti-Western attitude comes through loud and clear. No,
81 VCE : MD-90, this is not true actually. As you can imagine the Catholic Church has an important role. Don't look only what the Pope has said.. at the end he
82 Klaus : MD-90: Klaus, every single one of those things you mention were perpetrated by the Catholic Church. At least some serious discrimination (including th
83 QR332 : Alpha1 - I was just sick of politics, and I condemn this big asshole in every way possible, but when he was around (NOT JUSTIFYING HIM) at least Iraqi
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