USAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1 Posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 700 times:
As most know China has been illegally holding captive 24 American soldiers for flying serveilence missions in international airspace after a Chinese fighter crashed into the American EP-3. Lately I have been noticing more people and corporations boycotting Chinese goods, such as the Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, and Mesa Air just to name a few. Has anyone else stopped buying Chinese goods and services? If not feel free to explain why or why you feel a boycott is uncalled for.
N766AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 666 times:
There is a local radio guy here in Seattle who has been bringing up this subject as long as I can remember, and even more so now that they are holding our servicemen and women hostage.
I am beginning to think he is right on.
So I am now starting to buy 'around' China. I know it is impossible to totally boycott them, but every little bit helps.
Now before I start getting flamed (the commie-lovers will, no doubt, flame me), let me explain my position.
The Chinese government also has very little value of human life, virtually no civil rights to speak of, and has been known to murder its citizens by the thousands. I don't know how I can conciously support a supressive totalitarian system like that. Not to mention they force down one of our planes and hold hostages. But thats been discussed already.
Therefore, if enough people start to buy around Chinese products, the corporations will notice. Hopefully we can hurt the Chinese economically enough that they might rethink their quite uncivilized treatment of their citizens.
Iflycoach From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1015 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 657 times:
Well, if you buy the right computer components your computer can seriously be made up of about 95% Taiwan components!!!! I had to add some memory to mine the other day and damn there is a lot more stuff from Taiwan in there than China!!!!
WN boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 650 times:
766, I believe your instincts are correct but your energies are misplaced. You are entirely correct that China is not, as the former president claimed, "a strategic partner." They are as they have shown themselves to be in the present crisis: a country incapable of or unwilling to abide by the rule of international law, and, more importantly, a rival to American interests in East Asia. Consequently, they should be contained militarily. This means increasing sales of arms, including the Aegis Battlefield Management System, to Taiwan, strengthening our ties to Japan and South Korea, and increasing our support for the Dahli Lama.
At the same time, we need not isolate China economically. Rather, we should engage them. By encouraging trade with the PRC, we increase capitalism therein. As the night follows the day, so democracy follows capitalism. The government cannot grant economic freedom and then withhold political freedom. It just does not work. If you want examples, look to the American and French Revolutions and, more recently, the end to one-party rule in Mexico, South Korea, and Taiwan. As trade increases, a middle class grows which challenges one part rule and ultimately forces democracy. This is especially true in a country that claims to be "communist" yet practices capitalism. With the economic ideology of Mao and Marx long since discarded, what, the middle class will ask, is the continuing justification for the political power of the communist party.
When you buy something that says "Made in China," 766 you do perhaps increase the comfort of Jiang Zemin and his ilk. But at the same time you sow the seeds of the destruction of the Communist Party of the Peoples' Republic of China by sending money to a growing middle class that is on the internet, believes in democracy, and practices Falun Gong. Patience, Grasshoppah, have faith in capitalism.
Watewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 647 times:
China will not feel the brunt of this uneasiness between them and US in the near future. I doubt Dubya has the guts to isolate China. But if Bush does decide to stand up for himself and influence others to prevent China from entering WTO, that would hurt China's dream of becoming a superpower for some foreseeable future. BTW, I hope China loses the Olympic bid for Toronto.
N766AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 643 times:
You may well be right, WN, but my theory is that if China loses its great economy, then the people will have a better chance of overthrowing the totalitarian government. Buying that Chinese-made t-shirt is, in effect, funding the Chinese government. Think of what condition the government would be if their bank account hit zero?
First, the people would be mad. People can be quite noisy and irritating if you're a dictator.
Second, lack of funds will cause military unrest. If the military turns on the Politburo, there isn't much hope that the Politburo will live to see the next morning.
Like I said, you may be right, but for now I think this is the way to go. Lets see what happens.
WN boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 641 times:
I don't know why you think that Bush doesn't "have the guts" to "stand up for himself" with regards to China. He has already stood up for himself in international matters on the following topics:
National Missile Defense
The Kyoto Protocol
Non-Participation in the Middle East Peace Process
Disavowal of South Korea's "Sunshine Policy"
Questioning of Continued Peacekeeping Missions in Bosnia and Kosovo
What more do you want him to do to show that he will stand up for American interests?
RNOcommctr From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 826 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 627 times:
Just strikes me as kinda odd that we still do business with China (indeed, grant them Most Favored Nation trading status), while the 40-year old trade embargo with Cuba remains in place. Don't suppose it has anything to do with dollars and/or the political strength of the Cuba exile community in Florida...?