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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

I am hoping to fly to Europe sometime this year, i would like to see Paris and London but was wondering how the security is in terms of overseas passengers. Is it more stringent than domestic travel? Plus, how "safe" is it in France?? I know that the US is not liked a whole lot by the french right now  Smile


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User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1872 times:

Plus, how "safe" is it in France??

Probably safer than in America


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

Unlike what the media tells you, people in Europe tend to be able to differentiate between you as an "American" and the actions of your government.

I had two friends from Michigan visiting me some weeks ago, and they didn't run into any problems in London, Paris and Germany. They were treated just as friendly as during their previous visits.  Smile

BTW - I think this could be more suited for the non-av forum, because your question is travel-related and not so much about aviation.



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User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2371 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

I've been to Paris and London. I felt safe in both cities although Paris seemed to have a higer pickpocketing problem than other places I have been to. Just keep your passport and cash in one of those pouchs under your shirt and you'll be fine. As far as anti-American sentiment, there's probably more of it in the US than Paris or London. Most people in Europe have other things to worry about than whether or not they like Americans. Many do not agree with OIF, but they are definetly not hostile towards us.

Other than that, Paris and London are two beautiful cities. I guarantee you will like them both.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6441 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

Have you heard about a single American who has been picked on by the French. I haven't.

You stand a better chance of being accosted in Indianapolis than in Paris. This is true for all crimes except pickpockets. They rob everyone including Americans.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6299 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1803 times:

I was just in France a few months ago and it's perfectly safe. It's the ignorant Americans who have a problem with France, not the French who have a problem with the Americans. As far as pickpocketing and crime, it does seem higher then, say, London, Madrid, Brussels, Frankfurt...but nowhere near Rome! You'll be fine, just stay safe and dont do anything stupid that you wouldnt do at home (ie - fly your American flag in the Paris Metro at 3am!  Wink/being sarcastic ) Security is a little tighter on the flights, but all in all it isn't that big of a difference. Show up a little earlier then you would for a domestic flight (2 - 2.5 hours), but other then that, it's about the same. ENJOY!

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16991 posts, RR: 67
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

If you want to blend in, dress like a local. For Americans this means, for example, no shorts. Wear linen trousers instead. You'd be amazed at how much better you're welcomed.

I feel about as safe in London and Paris as I do in LA or San Francisco. Normal caution rules apply of course.

As for airports, security varies, but is generally on the same level as in the US.


My friend got pickpocketed in Rome. A 20 year old girl flashed him. He was of course pretty surpised, especially when he discovered that her friend had taken his wallet...

I once saw an Englishman at the Spanish Steps. He stepped out of a taxi and looked around. The taxi left, with his luggage. The naivete of some people...

[Edited 2004-04-22 15:43:29]


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User currently offlinePU151 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1738 times:

Bobnwa is right, actually the places you might visit in Paris (Champs-Elysées, Eiffel tower, etc.) are as tightly guarded by the police as Fort Knox. I think however, that there are some pickpocket problems in the metro in the rush hour but it's marginal.

As far as sympathy is concerned, you won't run into any trouble in my opinion, as long as you don't discuss politics or meals with them French. Even if you agree with them you will end up arguing for hours and hours!


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16991 posts, RR: 67
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1731 times:

Never discuss politics or religion. It's not rocket science.

They don't dislike Americans, many of them just dislike GWB. But as PU151 says, even if you agree with them, just shut up about it.



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User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1721 times:

Arab/muslim immigrants have it 10 times worse than you ever can have so welcome and forget about this non-existing problem.

Rent the movie: European Vacation (1985) with Chevy Chase.


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3007 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

Can't speak to France, but I was in Munich during Christmas and felt very well taken care of there. There was a great little Tex-Mex (locally owned/operated, not a chain) place where our waitress just LOVED us. On our way out the door, she shouted "No, no, don't leave yet... I have something for you" She gave us a couple of after-dinner cordials on the house. How nice is that?


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16991 posts, RR: 67
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

GSPSPOT, I'm not even gonna go there about an American eating Tex-Mex in Germany  Big grin No offence intended but it cracks me up.

If any of you need restaurant tips in Northen Italy, Frankfurt, Paris, Stockholm or especially London, pop me an email.



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User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3400 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1692 times:

went to barcelona and paris a month ago. ditto what sw733 and starlion said. Trying a little to blend in goes a long way, just do your basic research first so you don't compeltely blunder around. Almost everyone in Paris seems to speak english. If you start speaking french with a thick american accent they'll immidiantly switch over to english. (rather than have you further butcher than language?).

Except for the guys trolling around with sub machien guns, I thought security was at least unintrusive (I don't want to say lax because i don't know what goes on behind the scenes). There was no problem at all entering either country. At least for flights from the US to CDG, the customs area appeared to have been converted into a sandwich shop. There is only a sighn adiving you to throw away any contraband items. I hadn't filled out my entry form completely becasue i had a question, but the passport offical just stamped it before i could ask and waived me on.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16991 posts, RR: 67
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1656 times:

The "Lonely Planet" books are an excellent reference, as is their website (http://www.lonelyplanet.com/). Well worth the price. Every one includes extensive practical tips that are worth reading. My wife and I always buy the book before going to a new place. Just reading about the history and people of a country makes the place come alive in a completely different way.

As Doug_Or says, doing some research before you go will make your trip much more memorable. I have met so many people (US and other) who are dissatisfied with their trips for absurd reasons, when just a little preparation would have made it the vacation of a lifetime.

Even knowing one or two words in the foreign language (the books all have phrases at the end) and butchering them will endear you to most locals, since you are clearly making an effort.



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User currently offlineUltrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

As to the French I tried to order "Soup d'jour" last time I was in France and they pretended not to know what I was talking about. Boy have they corrupted English!

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16991 posts, RR: 67
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1620 times:

Lol, Ultrapig!

The problem a lot of Americans face when they go to Europe is how the US has corrupted many European words and expressions. Examples:
- Swedish Massage - I am born and raised in Stockholm, and I had never heard of this until I was in the US.
- Maitre d' - It's just Maitre in Europe.
- Entrée - In the US it's a main course, while in France it's an entrée, which means entrance, and thus comes before the main course.
- Tuxedo - In the US this is tails (white tie) or a smoking jacket (black tie). In Europe, the smoking jacket is (strictly speaking) not formalwear, as opposed to white tie which is.

Of course, it's just as bad for Europeans when we go over there. This whole business of cutting the food up, then putting your knife down and eating with your fork in your right hand is just plain weird to most Europeans, even to the point of being impolite. When I was a kid, I was taught NEVER to eat anything but pasta and rice with the fork in my right.


Having said all that, I LOVE cultural differences. The world is a better place for them.

EDIT: surgically excised offending additional word.


[Edited 2004-04-22 17:10:39]


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User currently offlineA380900 From France, joined Dec 2003, 1101 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1609 times:

My two cents is that Americans should stay at home and think their foreign policies through before going anywhere. It's one thing to say the F word to the world but travelling around and expect to be congratulated is wishful thinking.

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16991 posts, RR: 67
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

A380900, I have asked for your post to be deleted.


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User currently offlineBAViscount From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2338 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1595 times:

Starlionblue, you forgot to include English Muffins in your list - what's one of them when it's at home (as we say in London)?!!


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16991 posts, RR: 67
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1592 times:

BAViscount, LOL!!! And what about "fanny pack"!


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User currently offlineUltrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1575 times:

Starlionblue-and how about the "mythical "Swedish bikini Team"-I've personally never had any trouble in France-I speak College French and outside of a pickpocket near the Moulin Rouge never a problem!

Thanks for your Comment A380900-Next time I see my Dad I'll give him your advice-He had a long trip to France from June 6, 1944 until October 1945 with a detour through Belgium and Germany-

By the way Sprechen sie Deutsch-? Nein? You're welcome


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16991 posts, RR: 67
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

The Swedish Bikini team was the invention of a US beer company IIRC, but I must say that few countries have such good looking girls (on average) as Sweden. And they're so easy going and non-calculating (WYSIWYG) too!


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User currently offlineUltrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1550 times:

Stationblue-i think his post should stay-it is a valid but stupid opinion-Free speech.

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16991 posts, RR: 67
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

Very mature of you, Ultrapig. There should be more like you on A.nut.


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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3007 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1525 times:

A380900,

Why would you say something so mean-spirited? We're all trying to have some fun here....



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25 Ultrapig : A380900- If you don't like Americans why, as your profile suggests, are you living in New York? Seriously what's the answer
26 A380900 : I say things mean spirited. The US army DOES things mean spirited (stuff like killing civilians, you know). I think I'm on the moral high ground. And
27 Starlionblue : A380900, shall we start mentioning French atrocities in Indochina? Because the Americans can't hold a candle to those. Seriously, most Americans are r
28 Ultrapig : A380900 What is going on in the world? Tell me-From reading about things in France I can see that there is no sorrow and no pity while your government
29 GSPSPOT : Why would anyone use an Aviation forum to blow off about political opinions???
30 GLA MD11 : I am a French man living in Indiana and all this love-hate relationship between Americans and French is a joke. I am very well treated here and Americ
31 A380900 : Yes ultrapig, you're right. Whenever there is racial violence in France, the gvt turns a blind eye on it. You are sadly brainwashed, like so many of y
32 GLA MD11 : I just want to mention that some of my posts have been deleted for less than that!!! A380900, you are giving a poor image of yourself and of our count
33 Ultrapig : GLAMD11- As I said i have always been treated well in France-A380900 is just being a "en francais?" " a**hole"
34 Post contains images GLA MD11 : Thanks for your support. As well as some Americans are blind, some Frenchpeople are. That's the way it is everywhere... I am glad I can counterbalance
35 Starlionblue : Let's get back to travel in Europe. London tip: Watch out for traffic. Cars don't stop. They rarely even look at pedestrians. Be afraid. Be very afrai
36 GLA MD11 : Especially since cars in the UK drive on the other side of the road. I went to Ireland once and it was terrible. One thing not said enough: also be ve
37 Asuflyer05 : Let's get back to travel i Europe. London tip: Watch out for traffic. Cars don't stop. They rarely even look at pedestrians. Be afraid. Be very afraid
38 Post contains images Phxairfan : Traveling in Europe is not a problem at all. The people of Europe in general are a lot friendlier, more accommodating, and pleasant than most American
39 Post contains images Sebolino : As to the French I tried to order "Soup d'jour" last time I was in France and they pretended not to know what I was talking about. You mean "soupe du
40 Ultrapig : M. Sebolino: I was trying to be funny-but some times humor so doesn't translate well-For some reason I understand the French thought Jerry Lewis was v
41 FFlyer : He propably means the ban of religious symbols and all related things in France. Jewish symbols included. This reminds me about another difference: So
42 Post contains images VSLover : my problem with london traffic is (aside from it going opposite from what i am used to obviously--but you learn) that on the street, it is painted in
43 Aloges : I think every traveller will be fine almost everywhere when he or she follows a few simple rules: Be friendly. "Would you please?" works better than "
44 Post contains images MD11Engineer : Most of us Europeans consider religion to be a private business, not to be advertised. Concerning traffic, if in Italy, remember traffic rule were mad
45 Post contains images Sebolino : If driving on a German Autobahn stay in the right lane if you don´t feel comfortable driving at 120 km/h and more. You mean 180 km/h ??
46 MD11Engineer : Sebolino, The MINIMUM speed I´d recommend for leaving the right lane should be 120 km/h, better around 140 km/h. For the fast lane I´d recommend min
47 Doug_or : For major cities I partiularly like the rick steves guides, and for europe in general I'd HIGHLY recomend at least reading his "europe through the bac
48 Post contains images Starlionblue : Do not venture into the left lane if you don't have a German car and are doing at least 180 I find traffic in Italy much more relaxing than in England
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