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AZ Cardinals' Pat Tillman Killed In Afghanistan  
User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13592 posts, RR: 61
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2752 times:
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Breaking News - NBC News has just reported that the Arizona Cardinals (and former Arizona State University star) Pat Tillman, who turned down a multimillion dollar contract extension to join the Army Rangers after 9/11, has been killed in action in Afghanistan.  Sad

More to come.





Edited to correct location, initially reported as Iraq.

[Edited 2004-04-23 16:34:38]


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

NO!!!

Not to belittle the deaths of any other soldier, but Pat was as inspiration to a lot of people, for leaving the life of a millionaire, and serving his nation.

He was one who did it for country. He was a true hero.

God rest his soul, and those of all our soldiers.


User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

It was Afghanistan, not Iraq.

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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2721 times:

I was just going to point that out, B757300. I thought it was in Afghanistan. Thanks for correcting that for us.

User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3017 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

Copied from my duplicate thread...

I can't tell you how much I admired this man's sacrifice to leave the NFL to serve his country.
Now, he has made the ultimate sacrifice for it.

Rest in peace, Mr. Tillman.
God Bless your family.




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User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13592 posts, RR: 61
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2699 times:
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This man was a friend to all who knew him.

This is the man who rode the same beat-up old bike to practice at ASU each day, and even for the first few weeks of his NFL career.

This is the man who wanted to elevate those around him, not be a "star."

This is the man who answered his nation's call instead of seeking fame and fortune.

This is the man who I'm proud to call a fellow Sun Devil.

May God bless you Pat. We'll all miss you.  Sad



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

I would like to see people write to Commissioner Tagliebu and suggest the NFL name a Courage Award after Pat Tillman.

Also, I think the NFL should have a moment of of silence in his honor before the NFL Draft tomorrow.

Truly sad news.


User currently offlineNorth County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2662 times:



Now that was one man who had his head screwed on right...

God must have had needed him in heaven....sometimes the best and the brightest are called home so soon....

His family must be so saddened but they will gain strength from his memory.


User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2244 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2652 times:

Condolences to the family, not many people would do what he did in that situation.

I heard he also turned down $9 million (5 yrs) with St. Louis because he was loyal to Arizona (he also went to ASU).



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User currently offlineLearpilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2649 times:

IMHO, the word hero gets thrown around way too much. But if anyone deserves to be called a hero, however, it was Pat Tillman. Godspeed. Dude had a brass pair of balls.

And then you've got that scrawny little idiot Ely Manning crying because he doesn't want to play for the Chargers. Maybe he, along with some other pro athletes will learn something from this. It's called Character.



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User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

The NFL is holding a 1 PM press conference today.

-76M


User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

Well, it just goes to put a face on all this death, a face we all knew BEFORE the war....

User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

Pat Tillman is a true hero in every sense of the word. Leaving millions on the table to serve your country? How many people out of a million would do that?! He was an unbelieveable story and its really sad that it had to end up this way. The courage and discipline that Tillman showed was unmatched. God Bless You, Pat.


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User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2593 times:

The moment of silence before the NFL draft would be a nice touch, but...

I would like to see people write to Commissioner Tagliabue and suggest the NFL name a Courage Award after Pat Tillman.

That's a truly great idea. No one in the NFL exemplified honor, courage, and dedication like Pat Tillman. Name the award after him already (although, would there really be anyone in the NFL worthy of such an award? Nothing even comes close to what he's done).

God rest his soul.



Regards,

N-Dub



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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

This man is without a doubt the most courageous, honorable person in recent memory...My deepest condolences go out to the Tillman family - Pat was without a doubt a hero and demonstrated that without a doubt.

Greg



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

This thread is bullshit!

ANYONE who willingly goes to conflict and dies is a hero. Because this individual chose to give up a higher-paying occupation than the next soldier makes him no better in any way whatsoever.

Screw this horsecrap, and the fact that it's polluting every single news outlet accessible!  Angry  Yeah sure


User currently offlineCactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2562 times:


Screw this horsecrap, and the fact that it's polluting every single news outlet accessible

I was wondering when that would happen.  Insane



User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

Concordeboy, you are very much on my side today.
Good job.
 Big thumbs up

Anyway, I can just say that it is not any worse that this guy got killed then Joe Minority, who didn't have a choice in life to get a career, without joining up and I am sure there are a LOT of those people out there dying.
It was his own choice, so he did not sacrifice any more than anybody else who signs up out of free will.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

I was wondering when that would happen.

When what would? My comment, or every news source in the entire gawddamn hemisphere focusing on this drivel above all else?


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17489 posts, RR: 45
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

"ANYONE who willingly goes to conflict and dies is a hero. Because this individual chose to give up a higher-paying occupation than the next soldier makes him no better in any way whatsoever."

How on EARTH did you survive post 9/11 when everyone and their mother was a hero. Flight attendants were heros simply for continuing to offer coke and diet coke at 32,000 feet.



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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2548 times:

Actually ConcordeBoy, being obsessed with GE90 and B777 variants is complete bullshit.

*****************

I was greatly saddened to read about his death. Clearly no one intends to trivialize the death of any other US service member by posting here. However, Pat Tillman was a celebrity and knowingly walked away from vast amounts of money, a relatively easy life, and celebrity because of his deep personal convictions. We can be sure that Pat Tillman would have wanted no special attention on this day compared to other soldies and that is why he we should honor his sacrifice and that of his family.

In a time when so many professional atheletes are a bunch of crybabies and threaten to go on strike because they are not quite satisfied with some multi-million dollar salary or how they are treated in the press, Tillman will be an inspiration for years to come. How many pro-athletes are willing to walk away from millions, big houses, fancy cars, and fame to risk his life for the salary of an Army Ranger?

Not many at all.

Like I said, Tillman went to great lengths to be treated as an ordinary solider--shunning interviews after his enlistment. He did not expect the attention but he and has family deserve this country's full support. That he is a celebrity is happenstance. We just happend to remember this soldier's name.

I wish to express my profound gratitude for his service and condolences for his loss. RIP Pat Tillman.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

...reaching are we N79969?  Laugh out loud

User currently offlineCactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2537 times:


It was your comment....

Altough I don't agree with the large amount of attention this is getting, I was wondering when someone would come in here and piss on the parade. He is no more a hero than any of the other servicemen out there. However I have to say he's a better man than I. I would have taken the millions and kept playing football. The fact that he did the opposite of what most people would do in his situation makes him a special human being. And that deserves to be noted.


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Concordeboy,

I am not reaching in the slightest. If you have nothing of value to say about the loss of one of this country's finest individuals, I suggest not saying anything at all.



*************************

"I would have taken the millions and kept playing football."

So would most of the rest of us.

Tillman will be remembered for his strength of moral character and not because he was a casualty of war.

[Edited 2004-04-23 21:09:31]

[Edited 2004-04-23 21:10:35]

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

Sorry bub, but I got plenty o' value to spew: and right now, I have no qualm about pointing out that someone with a few more career options than his barrack buddies getting offed in a conflict deserves no more laud whatsoever than they would have...... and the fact that he's getting it, and plenty of it, only adds my point.

25 N79969 : Concordeboy, For someone that has and maintains an encyclopedic knowledge of things as ultra-trivial of what comes after the hypen following GE90 or B
26 Backfire : I wonder what other people have given up in order to go and fight in another country? Of course, we'll probably never know because they weren't fortun
27 USAFHummer : Well said CactusA319, my thoughts exactly! Greg
28 Ushermittwoch : Y'all wanna know what's really sad? The number of people that are writing "Pat Tillman - All-Pro Hero" script/book at the moment just to make a quick
29 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : I wonder what other people have given up in order to go and fight in another country? Sh'yeah, like their children perhaps...? Of course, we'll probab
30 USAFHummer : "Y'all wanna know what's really sad? The number of people that are writing "Pat Tillman - All-Pro Hero" script/book at the moment just to make a quick
31 Jcs17 : Hey ConcordeBoy, why don't you take your negative comments elsewhere or pull your pud to the Boeing website for the tenth time today. This man made a
32 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Hey ConcordeBoy, why don't you take your negative comments elsewhere or pull your pud to the Boeing website for the tenth time today. Pot... kettle...
33 CactusA319 : ConcordeBoi: Dude seriously, who took a dump in your cornflakes this morning?
34 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : No one... just that the "OMG look, a celebrity is making a sacrifice" inanity happens to be one of my most triggerhappy hotbuttons Not that I have any
35 Post contains links Cadet985 : I agree with an article in Yahoo! Sports that calls him a hero....not because of how he died, but how he lived. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylc=
36 4holer : ConcordeBoy, You can't be serious.... Sen. John McCain put it this way, "The tragic loss loss of this extraordinary young man will seem a heavy blow t
37 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : ~yawn
38 N79969 : ConcordeBoy, I do not understand why you feel the need to continue to post at all. Apparently you believe his death is a non-event and are here only t
39 Srbmod : Imagine if during WWII or the Korean War, Ted Williams had been killed in combat? During WWII and to lesser extent, the Korean War, quite a few profes
40 Ushermittwoch : Earth to Srbmod, Ted Williams was a SUPER STAR. One of the sport's greatest icons. There is a SLIGHT difference.
41 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : You have made your opinion known ...so what else is new? now be done with it ...don't like what I have to say? Two options: don't read it, or deal
42 CactusA319 : Earth to Srbmod, Ted Williams was a SUPER STAR. One of the sport's greatest icons. There is a SLIGHT difference But considering the way our society i
43 Ushermittwoch : I am not questioning his case in any way, as I have posted above. He might have been the most famous person in the war, but his status in his real pro
44 Post contains links N79969 : From Sports Illustrated: *************** Remembering Pat Tillman Strong-willed and humble, former Cardinals star was indescribably rare Posted: Friday
45 N79969 : "...don't like what I have to say? Two options: don't read it, or deal " Concordeboy, Take your own advice. You straight away condemned the entire thr
46 Post contains links Av8rPHX : http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/tillman/tillman_tribute.html
47 Leviticus : ConcordeBoy is having his PMS today...
48 Post contains images AvObserver : Pat Tillman was a true hero but so is every other soldier who dies in the line of duty. Just because they didn't give up a multi-million dollar career
49 Hamfist : Just let Concordebaby get his jollies. If he needs to spend 50% of his 20+ posts today bemoaning the fact that somebody else is getting our attention,
50 UALPHLCS : I was saddened to hear this story. As brother to 2 brothers in the Army, one going to Iraq in July and the other a Ranger who served in Afganistan and
51 BN747 : No one here knew who this guy was before today (perhaps two or 3 people)..I'm and avid NFL fan and aside from ex-AZ QB Jake Plummer, Aneas Williams an
52 Alpha 1 : No one is trying to say that Pat Tillman is any more special, or any more patriotic than any other soldier that has paid the ultimate sacrifice for hi
53 Stretch 8 : Alpha 1: Beautifully expressed. Tillman's sacrifice, oddly enough, places both the war and the trivial NFL draft in proper perspective.
54 IHadAPheo : All I can add to the topic is the following: The man was willing to and did die for what he thought was right, he gave up millions of dollars and join
55 N79969 : I agree with Alpha 1 completely. Nice job. When compared to his fellow soldiers, his sacrifice is no more or no less than than the other 109 who lost
56 Hamfist : BN747 wins the ideological brain-dump of the day award! "No one here knew who this guy was before today" Because so many people DID know who he was is
57 USAFHummer : "No one here knew who this guy was before today (perhaps two or 3 people).. I'm and avid NFL fan and aside from ex-AZ QB Jake Plummer, Aneas Williams
58 BN747 : Many other service men felt the same way..and many others did not..but went because they signed up..and they got orders. Tillman stands above the othe
59 L-188 : If Tillman giving up 3.2 mil annually to join the miltary wasn't big deal. Then that shmuck Simeon Rice getting on the radio and saying this certainly
60 Post contains images Alpha 1 : It simply means he wasn't forced as others did...he volunteered specifically to go... They ALL volunteered to go! What are you smoking? He volunteered
61 BN747 : YOU certainly woldn't, bitter as you are, for some reason... Alpha put a valium up your ass and calm down. I'll be the 1st to admit I WOULD NOT forfei
62 Alpha 1 : I'll be the 1st to admit I WOULD NOT forfeit my life as is to fight in a bullshit war. Then Pat Tillman was a better man that you'll ever be, my frie
63 BN747 : Then Pat Tillman was a better man that you'll ever be, my friend. I'm the 1st on thsi board to concede that...you must feel better about yourself poin
64 Sleekjet : I think Concordeboy needs a dose of basic training...or maybe some time spent in a country where freedom is but a dream...maybe he instead worships th
65 UALPHLCS : I don't want my comments misunderstood. Many in this thread have express just the kind of admiration I feel for Pat Tillman. The TV media, ESPN, and a
66 Alpha 1 : But Pat Tillman isn't a hero when compared with his fellow soldiers. Sure he is-but, as he would probably tell you-he's no more a hero, no less a hero
67 UALPHLCS : Alpha 1, You and I are coming to the same conclusions from different angles. My only beef is with the media, and how they over dramatize stories, simp
68 Alpha 1 : My only beef is with the media, and how they over dramatize stories, simply because of celebrity. I agree, 100%. But this over-hype from the media sho
69 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Instead of featuring Kobe and his sex trial, or talk about steroids in baseball, or some other such nonsense, a real man is on the cover of SI this we
70 L-188 : I haven't seen hair like that on a ball player since Joey Namoth.
71 BN747 : We've seen media coverage of the latest in fire fight in Falluja and Najaf. We've seen media coverage of where one of the 3 sisters was killed in Iraq
72 Alpha 1 : BN47, if you notice, there isn't much coverage of Afghanistan these days. It isn't "the main event" right now. Another attempt by you to make a mounta
73 BN747 : And what you completely missed..'Again'... the 'Main Event' is whatever the media says it is. And you can't help...but to just keep falling for the it
74 Alpha 1 : And what you completely missed..'Again'... the 'Main Event' is whatever the media says it is. Wrong. The media, despite their shortcomings, do a prett
75 BN747 : Wrong. The media, despite their shortcomings, do a pretty good job of figuring out what the "main event" is. Right now, it's Iraq, and it's political
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