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Should Jesse Go To China?  
User currently offlineClimbout From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1126 times:

Jesse Jackson has offered to go to China to help negociate the release the American hostages (I guess they are now considered hostages). He has a pretty good track record of getting hostages released. Think he can pull it off again?

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User currently offlineClimbout From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1015 times:

By the way, I knew that it was just a matter of time before he offered to help.

User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1019 times:

Hopefully, he will offer to trade himself for the hostages, the Chinese accept, and then the U.S. can ignore the whole issue and let Jesse enjoy Chinese food for a while.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Jesse is probably just trying to find an excuse to get away from his wife for a while.

Charles


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1015 times:

I think the Chinese would think that the US is having a laugh at their expense!!!


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User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1008 times:

The man is a charlatan of the worst kind. He would go simply to embarrass the Bush Administration, and the Chinese probably know this. Jackson should still be in family counseling for what he put his wife through.


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User currently offlineClimbout From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1003 times:

This morning, NBC spoke with the mother of one of the hostages. She was asked her opinion about Jesse going. She said she would support it only if he had Bush's approval, and if he would NOT offer an apology to the Chinese. She does not feel like the US owes China an apology, and that Jesse should honor that. Jesse feels we should apologize. If my child were over there, I would welcome any ones help! It's easy for us to critize Jesse's intentions, but we have to ask ourselves how we'd feel if we had a loved one trapped over there. Anyway, this should be interesting.

User currently offlineLindbergh Line From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 993 times:

I like Cfalks idea!!! LOL Go away Jesse !!!

User currently offlineN766AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 977 times:

I, too, think Cfalk is on to something..... haha.

User currently offlineIflycoach From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1015 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 973 times:

The Chinese don't want him, they already have a population problem!

User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 973 times:

hehe,
I didnt hear about that yet.
Its USA and CHINA on the line..
They're poweful and they are indeed,
But This should how go on for too long.
The transit strike in Calgary lasted 46 days now.
NO BUS OR TRAIN!!!!!

NooooooO!.. Cease trips to airport.
I think this should be only a matter of day for china to finish up some issues.
Im sure thigns will turn out well.
Too bad the pilot who bumped is gone.

Bo



Chance favors the prepared mind.
User currently offlineRealHigh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 968 times:

Jessie Jackson has been very succesful negotiating the release of hostages in the past. I thing he should do it. I think the mother of the hostage that was on TV this morning had a gun to her head to say that. To hell with what Bush wants anyway!
He couldn't find China on a map.
The media would rather focus on Jackson's weakness in his personal life.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 956 times:

Realhigh,

And in virtually every case, Jesse helped the other side make the U.S. look like the villain in the whole business. He's self-serving scum, and should be treated as such.

Charles


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 949 times:

Did you read the transcript of the CNN interview he gave about this.

Basicly he was going to give the Chi-coms the appology that they don't deserve.

Credits to GW for standing up to them.



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User currently offlineNKP S2 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1714 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 946 times:

Yeah...On a one-way ticket. G-- D---ed opportunist loudmouth.

User currently offlineClimbout From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 939 times:

Yeah, I agree with you RealHigh.

And to comment on Jesse making the US look like villians, we ALWAYS look like the villians to the rest of the world, no matter what we do. This is nothing new, and it certainly didn't start with Jesse! He is not the sole cause of that! At least the man did offer to help, although it's no longer needed being that the crew is coming home from what I heard this morning (thank God). And Jesse certainly isn't the only "opportunist loudmouth" out there. There's plenty of them!


User currently offlineCicadajet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 933 times:

real shame about Jesse. He's a very smart man and at times had intelligent or insightful points to make. Also a rather gifted communicator. He also had the high ground from the get-go-- from his days at Martin Luther King Jr's side. Unfortunately, in the end, he has squandered that advantage; no doubt rationalizing dubious political tradeoffs and personal interests. Too often he has been a particularly self serving opportunist. Is he the only one? No. But, it doesn't make him any more an innocent victim to suffer the slings and arrows of a fickle media now. Welcome to the crowd. The media is having a feeding frenzy on the man now, but in some respects gave him a free pass on his corporate shakedowns in the past. There is little question his talent in winning release of hostages is helped by the obvious fact it will- for better or worse- embarrass the US govt. Not much more to it than that. Still, its never too late for a man of his talent and intellect to make positive contributions to America (by his own lights of course) even despite the
scandal(s)...but his time as America's unofficial defacto "black leader" is most likely over. there'll most likely be a changing of the guard. Jesse's been an "activist" forever. everyones got a "term limit" of some kind. There's alot of things Jesse could still do- from public office/service to print or TV journalism (where he wasn't half bad as far as these things go). He oughtta move on and go for it.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 925 times:

The first black U.S. president will be a conservative.

Charles


User currently offlinePawBob From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 921 times:

If he goes, then he should not have any representative status of the US government.

As a US citizen, he has the right to go anywhere, and say anything.

He just does not have the right to represent me. I DID NOT ELECT JESSE.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11217 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 919 times:

Well, i guess I shouldn't have expected an intellectual conversation here. (Sigh.)

Fact is, he brings people home. Now, the situations that he has worked with before were cases where our guys were being harmed by their captors. When our men and women are being harmed, who gives flying flip about apologies? If you can't see that, then you are one selfish bastard for sure.

However, this isn't the case right now. The hostages were not being mistreated. And besides that, Bush must have known that the hostages were about to be freed. Changing the game when it is making progress is not ever the way to go. In the case of the Kosovo hostages, Milosevic was quite clear that he would not do business with Clinton's crew.

If China was being similarly ornery, then I would wholly support Jackson going, even though I don't care for the guy too much on other issues.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39717 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 911 times:

Climbout, good topic and thanks for bringing it up!  Smile
Cicadajet, D L X, & Realhigh exellent post!

It's good that our gov. apologized, as they should have.
If Jessie Jackson went, the media would have downplayed his role in freeing the hostages as they did in Kosovo.  Sad

PawBob
. I DID NOT ELECT JESSE.
Just like most American's did not vote for Bush!



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User currently offlinePawBob From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 897 times:

I didn't vote for Bush either; but I accept the majority choice.(albeit, a very slim majority).

User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 895 times:

I do think it would be to the best interest of the United States if Rev. Jackson went to China. But ONLY after the servicemen are returned and the crisis is over. Maybe his mistress saved up enough of the taxpayers' money to go with him.

Cfalk says:
"The first black U.S. president will be a conservative."

Cfalk, you are absolutely correct. Not only that, the first female president will be a Moderate-to-Conservative Republican.




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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39717 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 883 times:

Cfalk, unfortunately your right.  Sad

The United States still has a long way to go!

I'd rather have a white liberal President instead a a$$kissing Uncle Tom republican black president.

We should have elected Barbara Jordan in 1972!



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 877 times:

Superfly,

Now who is guilty of predjudice?

Why to all "true" blacks have to espouse to a large welfare state, punitive taxation for successful people, and liberal positions on morality (Gay rights, abortion, etc.) Are they not as free as anyone else to decide on their own what is right and wrong, the same as everyone else?

The first black (and as JetService said, woman) president will be a conservative simply because the voting population is mainly moderate, neither extreme is particularly welcome. A democratic black or woman will have the impression of being further left than other democrats due to to their percieved "disadvantages" of being black/female which liberals like to label them as having. To ensure a more middle-of-the-road presidency, voters will vote for a black or woman who's conservative political/economic convictions counter their perhaps "natural" liberal inclinations.

Barbara Jordan? I remember her. Had she been elected president, the U.S.A. would count itself among 3rd world countries today.

Charles


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 859 times:

Actualy come to think about it.....

If it was Jesse Ventura......Now there would be a statement.



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25 D L X : Seriously, superfly, I'm a little dissapointed by your post also. Truth is, the Democrats know that Blacks will vote for them because of the 'stigma'
26 JetService : Superfly, didn't you hear? Calling blacks 'Uncle Tom' has been deemed bigoted. I know it may pain you to hear this, but black-Americans are independen
27 Post contains images Superfly : Well I guess it's my turn in the 'hot seat'. The republicans have made an effort to get black votes. However, they have done nothing to earn black vot
28 D L X : Yes, the Republican party contains some repugnant individuals. So does the Democratic party. (Did you know that Robert Byrd was a Klan recruiter at on
29 Superfly : I am well aware of the fact that there are repugnant individuals in the Democratic party as well. When Ernest Hollings was Gov. of South Carolina, he
30 D L X : "The republican party still catters[sic] to the interest of the KKK in the deep south." These are your words. These words formulate an untruth. Simple
31 Post contains links Superfly : I am well aware of the few jerks in the Democratic Party. The Republican Party however has allowed extremist groups to have more say and control. Go t
32 Ctbarnes : Colin Powell will never be President of the United States. I'll say it again! Colin Powell will never be President of the United States. More's the pi
33 Superfly : What do you mean?
34 Ctbarnes : Superfly: I have a lot of respect for Colin Powell. He is someone who I think has integrity and sincerity, and most of all does not fit the mold of th
35 Superfly : I have no doubt about Colin Powell’s competence. I think he would be a great President too!. Unfortunately, the powers that be in his own party
36 D L X : YOu have no doubt about Powell's competence, yet you say Bush picked him because of symbolism only? Huh? (Of course a better thing to say to slam Bush
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