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User currently offlineNz1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 26
Posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1582 times:
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What are peoples opinions on who will win the presidential election?

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1562 times:

probably (and hopefully) Bush

User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4429 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

Hopefully Kerry will win, I dread another four years of Bush.

Unfortunately the odds are greatly against the democrats. From a realistic standpoint, I'd say Bush will win, but we sure as heck should fight to avert that outcome. We have a chance, we better not blow it.




User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

Man I hope Bush wins. I signed up for an absent vote so I can vote for him in November.


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User currently offlinePhaeton From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

Everybody I've met here in Germany thinks that it's obvious that Kerry will win on November 2nd. They just couldn't imagine anybody who supports Bush (and for what reason). Same goes for me. Realistically however I think Bush will still win. What a shame.

Thomas



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User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2963 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1531 times:

I am sure that Jeb will find a way to ban some blacks from voting legally again and then the Supreme Court can let "democracy" reign supreme once more...


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User currently offlineJeffm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1530 times:

That's it! Thanks Usher..... brilliant!

Maybe he can try and get all the prisoners to vote like Gore? 'Ya think?


User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1524 times:

"Maybe he can try and get all the prisoners to vote like Gore? 'Ya think?"

why should prisoners not vote?

citizen rights removal(right to vote is a very important citizen right) should only apply to the most severe criminals like mass murders and rapists. if someone stole a car and sits in jail for it, i see no reason why they should not vote.



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User currently offlineJeffm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1524 times:

You loose certain rights when in prison Zak, I did not say "Jail", and yes, there is a difference.

User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1518 times:

I would say that a majority of people in western Europe will see Kerry as the next president. But the people in the eastern Europe incl the Baltic states is more in favour of Bush. I think that you all know why...

User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3219 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1510 times:

I will probably vote for Bush, although this is the first election in memory that I am now considering not voting. Yes, I know if I choose not to, I effectively lose my "right" to bitch about what I don't agree with or make suggestions, but I simply cannot recall ever being so aggravated and tired with politics. Differences of opinion are healthy, but this time around the near total polarization seems to have erased most forms of any constructive party agenda. Regards...Jack


all best; jack
User currently offlineRev3oh2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1498 times:
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I'm curious to know why those posting from Europe seem to have such confidence in a Kerry victory? Apart from the fact that he's not George Bush (the reason many seem to be supporting him here), what do they see in him as a potential leader?

I can tell you that a lot of Bush supporters are terribly disappointed in the way Bush has become just like the loyal opposition in terms of his "big government" spending. But when viewed from the standpoint of who they'd rather have dealing with terror threats and defense, I think most of them will hold their nose and vote for Bush, given Kerry's poor record in support of defense spending, not to mention his ever-shifting positions on other issues.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1498 times:

I think the war in Iraq, if it still going the way it is, COULD cost Bush the election.

I still think it's a toss-up, with a slight advantage to Bush. But it's far from certain if he'll win again. We're still 7 months from the election.

I think a key is what will happen after June 30th, when/if the U.S. hands over the reigns of governemt to someone in Iraq.


User currently offlineJeffm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1493 times:

If we hand over control, and they piss it away...it will be Bush's fault for not waiting.

If we don't because they are not ready, then it will be Bush's fault.

Ask any Liberal, they have both arguments well rehearsed.



User currently offlineBragi From Iceland, joined May 2001, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

Best to let the facts speak for themselves;
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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

If we hand over control, and they piss it away...it will be Bush's fault for not waiting.

If we don't because they are not ready, then it will be Bush's fault.


Jeff, for God's sake-HE STARTED THE WAR. He SHOULD be called on the carpet if things go bad, because it was HIS action in ordering the invasion that has precipitated events since then. Not Saddam, not the Democrats, not Europe, but President Bush. The buck has to stop with him.

Conversely, I'm sure you wouldn't waste a second in condemning President John Kerry if, two years after the handover happens, the place falls apart. It will have been Bush's doing, but you'll be the first one on here bitching.


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1471 times:

A major problem here is that a large number of Kerry supporters don't actually care about his goals and his plans for our country. They seem to only care about him replacing Bush, like that's the most important thing he can do.

Just goes to show the idiocy of the many who've taken an unbelievable hatred to Bush on the basis of bullshit ideology.




-NWA742


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

NWA742, what a bitter man you are these days.

And most nutcase conservatives, like yourself, just wanted Clinton replaced by any Republican in 2000, and didn't care about what his program was.

I think we need a change in leadership. Who the hell are you to question the reasons I vote for anyone. Talk about arrogance.

You're really getting whacked out.


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1463 times:

NWA742, what a bitter man you are these days.

Actually, I'm the same man I've been for a long time.

And most nutcase conservatives, like yourself, just wanted Clinton replaced by any Republican in 2000, and didn't care about what his program was.

Thanks a lot Alpha 1, calling me a nutcase conservative just because I don't hate Bush like it was my life's goal.  Insane

I voted for Bush in 2000 because I thought he would make a better president than Al Gore. And yes, I think both Al Gore and Bush would be better leaders than Clinton.

Who the hell are you to question the reasons I vote for anyone.

I never mentioned anyone specifically Alpha 1. Stop making things up.

You're really getting whacked out.

Actually, I'm perfectly fine. Your obvious offense to what I said only strengthens my case and ends yours.



-NWA742


User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

I'm not going to say Bush is a particularly great President. He's a good President, and a good man, but not in the league of Reagan-win-every-state-but-one. He still holds the advantage, as the country's condition seems to be improving. However, we will know the results if- Osama is caught or this becomes Bush Rice or Bush Powell 2004. For better or for worse, minority groups tend to vote for the minority candidate/ticket regardless if they agree with them. The same happens with any group as a minority. That puts a lot of minority votes in the red state column. It also sets Condi or Colon up for a 2008 run against Hillary. An Osama capture also secures the election for Bush. Some are also suggesting that Kerry will implode in August, because just hating Bush and not proposing any ideas himself will only fly so long. We'll see, but a Bush win looks likely.

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

Actually, I'm the same man I've been for a long time.

I know-bitter against anyone who doesn't see things your way. That was my point.  Big grin

Thanks a lot Alpha 1, calling me a nutcase conservative just because I don't hate Bush like it was my life's goal.

Sorry to break the news to you, but you, and conservatives, hated Clinton a hundred times more than any "liberal" hates Bush. 8 1/2 years of witch hunting says that's the truth.

I voted for Bush in 2000 because I thought he would make a better president than Al Gore.

Funny, that's why I'm voting for Kerry. Amazing.


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

I know-bitter against anyone who doesn't see things your way. That was my point.

If that's the way I've always been, then why am I on your RU list Alpha? And why are you on mine? I've stuck to my views and my beliefs, and for the most part, so have you, but with views on Bush, you've turned into a whining far left winger who does nothing but bash him.

Sorry to break the news to you, but you, and conservatives, hated Clinton a hundred times more than any "liberal" hates Bush.

Msot ridiculous thing I've ever read. Look at the outcry from the liberals and how much they hate Bush. It's a THOUSAND times worse and louder than the conservative voice who hates Clinton. You probably think the conservative voice on these boards defending Bush is louder than the liberal voice opposing Bush, don't you?

Funny, that's why I'm voting for Kerry. Amazing.

Well congradulations, I'm not going to blame you for that if you really feel that way. Good job for not joining the morons voting for Kerry just to get Bush out.



-NWA742


User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4429 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

Rev33oh2:

Kerry's poor record in support of defense spending, not to mention his ever-shifting positions on other issues.



You must not have read my post containing facts that completely prove the contrary. John Kerry has a good record on defense, even John McCain came to his defense on that. And shifting policies? First off, he's not a flip-flopper, you've been hearing that because the Bush ads have succeeded in defining him, but few people have actually taken Bush's ads with a grain of salt and actually checked for themselves to see if they were true.


I ask you this:

Why are you so quick to believe Bush when he labels Kerry, without looking into it for yourself? This is a man that said gay marriage was a non-issue in his 2000 election, said that saddam hussein had WMD, changed his position on abortion rights....among other things, George Bush is the ultimate flip-flopper...and then he accuses Kerry of having a tax gap, and get this, many of Kerry's proposals are similar to what Bush promised in his 2000 campaign. In short, he's being a hypocrite and running such negative ads against Kerry that people aren't seeing the forest through the trees. Bush has no right to call Kerry a flip flopper, that title belongs solely on himself.


And, yes, Kerry has changed his mind on a few issues...what I'll quote bill maher here and say: "It's a sad state of affairs when being a thoughtful person, who evolves in his thinking, is labeled a flip-flopper. I mean these Bush supporters go: "George Bush is a strong leader because he knows ONE THING". I mean, wouldn't you want someone who is capable of adapting with his thinking?"


Don't praise Bush because he is an immovable rock. Have you changed your mind within the last 10 years?


Nevertheless, if you have an open mind, please, read this thread, and see a complete debunking of the GOP's charges against Kerry. Please, all I ask is that you read it and perhaps open your mind to the possiblity that George Bush could be wrong when he calls Kerry a flip-flopper. Always, always always, take political ads with a large grain of salt. Even Kerry has made some exaggerations against Bush. It's politics. Be educated and find out the truth for yourself.


Please look here:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/544822


User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4429 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1449 times:

BTW, I'm supporting Kerry because my first candidate of choice, Wes Clark, dropped out of the race. I supported Clark first, then Kerry for a while, then went back to Clark, and then went back to Kerry after Clark dropped out. I really think Kerry will do a much better job as president than George W. Bush has, and I hope he wins so that I can see if his promises will be fulfilled. Except the national service one, I hope that goes down in flames in congress. See, Kerry has some bad ideas too. I support the man with some reservations, but I have far fewer reservations against Kerry than I do against Bush. The former I at least consider trustworthy and presidential. The latter has lost my trust and my vote as commander in chief of this country. I don't consider Bush an honest man.

I also believe Kerry will be a friend to aviation, as he himself is a pilot.

[Edited 2004-05-01 20:20:34]

User currently offlineRev3oh2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1422 times:
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I voted for Bush in 2000 because I thought he would make a better president than Al Gore.>

Funny, that's why I'm voting for Kerry. Amazing.

I agree, I think Kerry would make a better president than Al Gore too.




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25 CoTXDFW777AA : Being from Texas, I will pull a Dixie Chick........... GWB lead us through a tough time, 9/11, but his policy of making the US hated by everyone all o
26 Rev3oh2 : Aloha.... Don't get me wrong. I don't think Bush is the model of consistency either. My assessment, since you made a point of trying to educate me abo
27 Post contains images Jcs17 : The liberal ideology in the United States is in disarray. Instead of campaigning on political issues, the main focus has been "Anyone but Bush." I mea
28 Post contains images Alpha 1 : You wish Jcs. But if Bush wins, and that's still problematical, that's fine. Because in '08, Jcs, you and your "conservative idelology" will be in suc
29 BN747 : The person selected to lead the most powerful nation on earth... Should be a sterling diplomat..for he's the nation's chief Statesman to the world. He
30 Post contains images MD11LuxuryLinr : After reading BN747's statement, I need to ask pro-Bushies a question: All of you who support Mr. Bush and think he is a 'good' president, can you jus
31 Rev3oh2 : Well, let's see...since the terms "good" and "bad," when applied to a political leader, are terms used interchangeably depending on one's political le
32 Cptkrell : I kinda like Rev3oh2's post, although I"d add that let's not not be sucked into non-wavering 'hate' pluses and minuses here, guys and girls. The war d
33 Emmett99 : "Everybody I've met here in Germany thinks that it's obvious that Kerry will win on November 2nd. They just couldn't imagine anybody who supports Bush
34 NWA742 : I agree with Emmett99. Why should those who have already proven themselves to be only a menace to society, be able to make decisions that affect that
35 Rjpieces : I don't think the election will be a repeat of 2000. The states have gone through a lot to make sure all votes will be counted, and the voting machine
36 Post contains images BN747 : Well, let's see...since the terms "good" and "bad," when applied to a political leader, are terms used interchangeably depending on one's political le
37 IMissPiedmont : It pains me a small bit to say that I'll be voting, again, for the losing canidate. That is if the election were tommorrow. Perhaps Kerry will give me
38 BN747 : Like I said, I disagree strongly with Bush on parts of his domestic agenda but I just feel more strongly about international affairs. You do??? So you
39 Rsmith6621a : JeffM said.... >>>Maybe he can try and get all the prisoners to vote like Gore? 'Ya think?
40 Rjpieces : You do??? So you'd feel comfortable if everyone in your neighborhood rather have nothing to do with you except 1 or 2? That's exactly what Bush has do
41 Post contains images Aviationwiz : Ushermittwoch, sad, but true, early on last election, the buzz was "Florida" "What's going on in Florida" That's before the recount crap. Going on, I'
42 BN747 : I've been abroad several times to Europe: England, France, Spain, Netherlands, Germany. So don't give me your "anti-European" crap. I love Europe and
43 QIguy24 : "Everybody I've met here in Germany thinks that it's obvious that Kerry will win on November 2nd. They just couldn't imagine anybody who supports Bush
44 BN747 : Qlguy24, can you say that loud enough for Rjpieces to hear??? For some odd reason...he's under the impression that Bush's polices have done wonders fo
45 SASlover : I hope Kerry wins and for a good reason
46 Planespotting : my ultra flagrant post has been deleted.
47 Planespotting : Repost with some edits (less naughty words): I'm really sick and tired of people bringing up this awesome tax cut. Thats bull shit. I'm a 20 year old
48 J.mo : Since world opinion actually matters to me as an American, I simply could not place a vote for GW Bush. I am almost at the hatred level for these clow
49 L.1011 : I have two things to say to the Bush haters. 1. Do you realize that, under the Bush taxcut, a family of four making $40,000 a year has 98% of their in
50 777236ER : You are whining over 700. It's called perspective More Americans have died after the war in Iraq than during it! Would you go to the families of those
51 Post contains images Aviationwiz : Do you realize that, under the Bush taxcut, a family of four making $40,000 a year has 98% of their income tax burden eliminated, dropping from $1,490
52 Post contains images WidgetBoi : It better be Kerry I still can't believe that I voted for Bush in 2000 What was I thinking? jeremy
53 N670UW : 2. I suggest you all take a trip to Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. Look at the ground. The blood of 200,000 men is in that ground. You are whining over 700
54 Planespotting : yeah that was probably the most ignorant thing that has been said. You should be ashamed, you just basicaly made it clear that 700 American lives don'
55 Aviationwiz : That reminds me of what Bush was doing "Nope, can't find em' here, not here either." I think we all remember that. That was a major insult to the fami
56 Jessman : I think Bush will win. History favors the incumbent. I'm still not sure if I will vote for any real candidate for president this November. I certainly
57 Zak : lets all PRAY that the great leader of freedom, george walker bush, gets reelected in november! i hope he will perform his duties as exceptional up to
58 Post contains images Andreas : Zak don't forget your smilies, some boys here could get the wrong idea Now, I live in Germany, too, and I am somewhat astounded that all Germans stron
59 ConcordeBoy : As of late, it seems that President Bush's only competition is himself. Kerry, as an entity, isnt a factor at all... ...a conclusion made even more ap
60 SK901 : Actually I hope that Kerry will win in November, because my opinion about Bush is that, he is the most incompetent president of all time. Being a Pres
61 777236ER : I love how L.1011 shuts up whenever anyone questions him and there are no ready right-wing answers to hand.
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