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Who Is Responsible For The Attack In Saudi Arabia?  
User currently offlineRONEN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

"Later, the Saudi Press Agency quoted Abdullah as telling a gathering of princes in Jiddah that "Zionism is behind terrorist actions in the kingdom. I can say that I am 95 percent sure of that."

only 95%??

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=716&e=1&u=/ap/20040502/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saudi_attack(in the middle)

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User currently offlineSolarix From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

Nutjobs are behind the attack.

User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

Al Qaeda(sp) nutjobs are behind the attack.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineRONEN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

just to be clear Abdulla is the SAUDI Crown Prince Abdullah

User currently offlineVanessa From Iraq, joined Apr 2004, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

The responsibility falls on any group, organization, or even a country which never wish to see stability in the ME.

Sometimes, these acts are performed to turn out faces from other dangerous things going on in other locations.

Whoever did it, I do believe that all these terrorsist acts are performed by one undercover man, sitting somewhere, pushing bottoms, making calls, sending faxes and e-mails, delivering messages and playing with the whole world for a purpose, a purpose which I suppose we have a clue about it already.

El-Qaeda, Zionizm, all are still an option. But what we have to find out is who exactly is standing behind them.

Got it RONEN?





[Edited 2004-05-02 15:32:49]

User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2386 times:

George W Bush?


"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
User currently offlineVanessa From Iraq, joined Apr 2004, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

Galaxy,

Are you kidding?

ElQaeda , zionism and other terrorist groups were way organized before GWB came to power.





User currently offlineRonen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Take a good look at Vanessa replies and see what Israel is up against in this region.

User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

Vanessa, are you joking?! Zionism is not a terrorist group as much as the United States military isn't. How do you consider zionism a terrorist group? And you even consider the option that militans opening fire in Saudi Arabia might be zionists???!

User currently offlineVanessa From Iraq, joined Apr 2004, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Zionism = ElQaeda

Yes, why are you so astonished?

I do agree that Zionism does not reflect all jews or israeli people opinion, just like ElQaeda does for all Arabs.

This is another fact , you accept it or not.

You want me to provide you with proves? just like on the other thread?



User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Does Zionism=Al Qaeda=US Military?

And just when I called you "openminded" in the other thread.


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

Zionism = ElQaeda


Sad but true.



Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

Any person who calls Zionism=Al Qaeda is filled with Anti-Israel hatred.....But we already knew that about David B.

So David B, how is Zionism equal to Al Qaeda anymore than the US is equal to Al Qaeda?


User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2316 times:

I think what happens in Palestine every day and their actions in the past speak for themselves. But if I start posting the facts, you probably wouldn't believe anyway.

User currently offlineVanessa From Iraq, joined Apr 2004, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

Ripieces,

What has the US military to do with Zionism or AlQaeda?

Zionism and AlQaeda are 2 worldwide known terrorist groups that no man on earth should argue about. (When I say Zionism I don't mean jews or Israel).

You should be also open minded and do some search about Zionism.

I did perfectly expressed my true thoughts and believes towards Israel, Israel is a State that exists, and do have the rights to continue existing. it is a fact, I never argue with that.

Do you agree so far? If yes, I will be more than happy to continue posting in this thread or in another new one if you suggest.

I will be waiting for your reply.

Peace.


User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

I think what happens in Palestine every day and their actions in the past speak for themselves

By that comment, you are saying that what the IDF does is terrorism. If what the IDF does is terrorism, how is it any different than the US bombing the crap out of Fallujah?

But if I start posting the facts, you probably wouldn't believe anyway.

For the most part, the facts you post are correct. No body has denied some of the horrible incidents you post. However, your interpretation of these events is very naive and not very accurate.

Zionism and AlQaeda are 2 worldwide known terrorist groups that no man on earth should argue about. (When I say Zionism I don't mean jews or Israel).

Well what exactly do you mean by Zionists? How is Zionism a worldwide terrorist group? And how can you compare Zionism to Al Qaeda? Al Qaeda being an organization that brainwashes young men to crash planes into buiildings killing thousands of civilians with the goal of destroying a civilization....And Zionism being people who believe the Jewish people should have a state. So yeah, i'm curious how Zionism and Al Qaeda are on the same page for you.


User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

OK, I'm going to step in here. Saying that Zionism equals Al Quaeda is f**king nuts. That's saying that all Jews are Terrorists, which is like saying that all Arabs are terrorists, which is of course NOT TRUE. Unfortunately, many people (Americans) believe that under President Bush, but it is simply not true. Also, Vanessa, if you are truly from Iraq which is what your profile says, then you of all people shouldn't be saying this, you just suffered for how many years under Saddam, he was a ruthless dictator, who used chemical weapons against his own people! I won't go into the war here and display my thoughts, as this is not the place, but moving on...

Let's see here, I'll say that all Arabs are terrorists, is that true? NO! Of course not, we all know that.

QR332,

Israel has every right to do what they are doing, there very well could be a Palestinian nation, there are just a few things that need to happen:

1. You guys really need to start cracking down on Terrorism, so far Israel are the only one's doing it, and every news station says they are Evil, which they aren't, they are defending themselves, which they very much have the right to do, as does the United States, or any other nation.

2. Quit wanting more & more & more, Israel has offered many times to give back quite a bit of land, but the Palestinians (particularly Arafat) have always wanted more. Israel won all the land in wars when their Arab neighbors invaded, it's happened countless times, and Israel has won each and every one. When you invade a country, and the winning side has large amounts of casualties, as do the invaded side, you don't just reset back to how it was before, you made a decision, deal with it.



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User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

Zionism is a political movement among Jews holding that the Jewish people constitute a nation and are entitled to a national homeland. Formally founded in 1897, Zionism embraced a variety of opinions in its early years on where that homeland might be established. From 1917 it focussed on the establishment of a Jewish homeland or state in Palestine, the location of the ancient Kingdom of Israel. Since 1948, Zionism has been a movement to support the development and defence of the State of Israel, and to encourage Jews to settle there.

(Although this article defines Zionism as a political movement among Jews, the term Zionist can be applied to any supporter of Zionism. Some Christians support Zionism for religious reasons: See Christian Zionism.)

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

Now:

Al-Qaida (القاعده in Arabic, and also transliterated as al-Qaeda, al-Qa'ida, al-Quaida, el-Qaida, äl-Qaida and is Arabic for the foundation) is an Islamist paramilitary movement which is widely regarded as a terrorist organization, especially in the West. It is led by Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahri.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Quaeda

You decide which is the terrorist. By the definitions, it's quite simple that it is Al-Qaida, which I think we can all agree is a terrorist organization.



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

You guys really need to start cracking down on Terrorism

I'm assuming you ALSO mean Israeli state terrorism


Israel has offered many times to give back quite a bit of land

Can you please tell me when this has happened when there were NO restriction. I am sure you'll come up with the usual Camp David, Oslo, etc, but have you ever read the small prints to these deals?

Sorry for deviating from the thread but there were issues that had to be addressed



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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

I'm assuming you ALSO mean Israeli state terrorism

Welcome back Horus. Let's continue this in the other thread, we never finished. I'd really like to know whether your view of "Israeli State Terrorism" is any different than "United States terrorism" in Iraq and other places?

Anyhow, we shouldn't be discussing this in this thread. If you want to discuss Israel, there is another active thread on it.


User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2279 times:

Can you please tell me when this has happened when there were NO restriction. I am sure you'll come up with the usual Camp David, Oslo, etc, but have you ever read the small prints to these deals?

Sorry for deviating from the thread but there were issues that had to be addressed


I'm not an expert on the middle east, so, no. It has happened in the past before, numerous times, need more be mentioned that Yithak Rabin.

I'm assuming you ALSO mean Israeli state terrorism

Yeah, my ***, so far all thier doing is bombing the place up, night clubs, coffee shops, wherever they can. Israel does what they do in retaliation, lately Israel has done a good job of not getting innocent civilians caught in the cross-fire. Israel has every right to defend itself from attack, which they are doing a good job of. I'm not going to argue that they have never done terroristic things, that's not true, but lately, they've been doing thier job of defending Israel very well.



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User currently offlineVanessa From Iraq, joined Apr 2004, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2278 times:

Aviationwiz,

Yes I am from Iraq, but I don't live there for some reasons that it is neither the time nor the place to mention why.

Concerning the satan of all evil Saddam and the American -Iraqi problem, I can not argue with you here as I have a deal with JeffM not to discuss the Iraqi-American issue before removing the ban on him. (refer to the other thread on this forum).

Now, concerning Zionism, yes I agree with you, Zionism is a movement among Jews holding that the Jewish people constitute a nation and are entitled to a national homeland. (Fully true)
But can you please find more about the mechanism of action of Zionism in Palestine?

For me, it is the same as saying Hamas is a movement among Palestinian arabs holding that they constitute a free independent state. (At least this is what they claim).
The truth is that Hamas is behaving very badly, and it is considered indeed one of the most dangerous terroristic groups.

Am I right? I suggest doing some more search and stop selecting suitable to your opinion articles. This is if you are still intersted in keeping this discussion constructive and far from all fundamentalism.

Peace.


User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2267 times:

Vanessa....Please move this to the other thread (Israel kills Hamas leader).

User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2264 times:

Well, we agree on pretty much half of what I stated!

Is Hamas an organization for the creation of a Palestinian state? Yes, they are. Their paramilitary/terrorism wing however is not the way to get peace between Israel & their Arab neighbors.

Is there Israeli terrorism? Of course, I don't think anyone would say that there isn't. They've done quite a few moronic, for lack of better terms, moves as well. By moronic, you could substitute terroristic in there as well.

My "road-map" to peace in the middle east.

NOTE: By get rid of, I mean overthrow, not kill.

1. Get rid of Sharon
2. Get rid of Arafat
3. Peaceful protests by Israeli's
4. Peaceful protests by Palestinians
5. Peaceful protests by the surrounding middle east nations.
6. Peaceful protests in Europe, America, etc.

numbers 1 & 2 would need to be done at about the same time, as would numbers 3 & 4. 5 & 6 would follow.

The truth: Sharon is a pig who won't ever accept peace with the Palestinian people, and Arafat is also a pig who will never accept peace with the Israeli's.

Also, I'll throw this out: I am Jewish, in case you have or haven't figured that out, I am for peace in the middle east, fair to all sides. In fact, in local discussions that I take place in at school, or among friends at my synagogue, I'm just about the only one for real peace in the middle east, a lot of other people that I talk to think Israel is doing absolutely everything right, well they fu**ing aren't, I argue them until they are speechless, and often times as a joke, my friends will call my an "anti-Semitic Jew"



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User currently offlineVanessa From Iraq, joined Apr 2004, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2261 times:

Aviationwiz,

You are another golden shining star on this forum.

I do fully agree with you.

Peace.



25 Tbar220 : Is Hamas an organization for the creation of a Palestinian state? No. Their stated goal is the destruction Israel, of establishing a Palestinian state
26 Vanessa : Tbar, Now wait a minute, you don't manipulate my words. Just read exactly what I ment by that, and read how I answered myself in reply 21. Peace.
27 Rjpieces : Don't forget the PLO was formed before the 1967 war. And that was before Israel had military dominance in the region. Aviationwiz, don't take this the
28 Vanessa : I can say the same concerning zionists, Zionists stated goal is the destruction of palestine, of establishing an Israeli state on land that is current
29 Vanessa : Rjpieces, You should agree that: 1. Evil exists in both sides. 2. Sharon and Arafat are symbol of pain and hate to both sides. 3. Peace is the only so
30 Post contains links Ushermittwoch : RJ: Zionism is not a terrorist group as much as the United States military isn't. How do you consider zionism a terrorist group? That is a pretty laug
31 Post contains links Airmale : Heres a nice site for your perusal, http://www.nowarforisrael.com/
32 Rjpieces : That is a SICK, blatantly anti-semitic website.... Ushermittwoch, they were fighting for independence. Of course there were awful incidents. However,
33 Airmale : What about all the Jewish anti-Zionist website links provided there?
34 Ushermittwoch : I'll have to say that the views on Airmale's link are a little over the top. AKA it's pathetic. Anyway RJ, you want to tell me that assassinating a gu
35 David b. : Any person who calls Zionism=Al Qaeda is filled with Anti-Israel hatred.....But we already knew that about David B. So David B, how is Zionism equal t
36 Horus : You were here since November and with all you anti-arab posts, we an conclude you hate certain groups. BTW: You don't know me so don't judge me. Under
37 Rjpieces : "LOL What a hyprocrite. You were here since November and with all you anti-arab posts, we an conclude you hate certain groups. BTW: You don't know me
38 Rjpieces : That question goes for you too Horus, what do you think of that website above?
39 Post contains images BA : Why isn't Zionism good? Oh my gosh............................................. Israel was a nation created by the use of terrorism by Zionists. Augus
40 David b. : I hate any county that receives billions of dollars a year. I don't know you, but I see your posts and can come to conclusions Same with you. Wrong. A
41 Rjpieces : No, the fact is you have a deep hatred towards Jews apparantly. Their movement for independence is no different than Americans fighting the British fo
42 Post contains images David b. : No, the fact is you have a deep hatred towards Jews apparantly. LOL same hate you have towards muslims? Must be LOL How can you even compare Zionism t
43 Rjpieces : My above post was directed towards BA. That is still money is it not. Why don't you donate? I sure as hell would not. Don't steal my hard-earned money
44 Post contains images BA : Their movement for independence is no different than Americans fighting the British for freedom. Uhh.....actually it is VERY different. You are talkin
45 David b. : So you hate Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Turkey then? Depends. Egypt and Israel give us nothing in return. SA gives us oil......Turkey is part o
46 Rjpieces : Such random comments are true, why are your people suffering today? Uhhh.........I just compared. Do you ever read any of my posts? Or do you simply i
47 BA : Egypt was bribed to make peace with Israel. That's why they get this annual aid. Same goes for Jordan. Lebanon was given a similar offer a few years a
48 Rjpieces : Yeah...that is the sad part. They finally made "peace" but what kind of peace is it anyway? The above facts shouldn't change it for David B. Unless of
49 Jutes85 : Next, I do not like Israel because they suck 3 billion dollars a year out of the US economy. That is not a reason to hate Israel. Its like me saying I
50 Post contains links and images BA : why are your people suffering today? Easy, 60 years of occupation. Comparing Israel to the Nazis shows your deep hatred of Jews. I'm really getting fe
51 Rjpieces : BA, I said that hardliners represent a VERY small minority of the population. I'm really getting fed up with arguing with you. I have learned your tri
52 Post contains links and images BA : Comparing Zionism to Nazism is the SAME thing as calling Israelis Nazis. LOL! No it isn't. Basically you are saying Israeli's all hate non-Jews. Way t
53 Jutes85 : Easy, 60 years of occupation. That is not an excuse, infact, that shows how lazy Arabs are, they are finding reasons for them not to work and set-up a
54 BA : That is not an excuse, infact, that shows how lazy Arabs are, they are finding reasons for them not to work and set-up a normal society. How do you ex
55 Post contains images Horus : Jutes85, I have a question. What do you think of the Jews that are against zionisms?
56 Jutes85 : How do you expect Palestinians to set up a NORMAL society when they are under occupation Jutes85????????????? If they wanted to set-up a society, they
57 BA : If they wanted to set-up a society, they would, they are finding excuses. Do you realize Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank have very few rights and c
58 Jutes85 : Do you realize their are curfews set upon them? They are interrogated by IDF soldiers with every step they go? Rightfully so they should. Its because
59 Tbar220 : Vanessa, Relax, I wasn't even responding to a post of yours. I was responding to Aviationwiz's post: Is Hamas an organization for the creation of a Pa
60 Jutes85 : Vanessa, Relax, I wasn't even responding to a post of yours. I was responding to Aviationwiz's post Thankfully, Vanessa will be relaxing for a week.
61 Aviationwiz : Exactly what rule did Vanessa break? I just saw the banned thing on the profile.
62 Tbar220 : Vanessa probably broke the rule about flaimbait and harsh language. Saying Zionism is racism, and that it is equal to Al Qaida seems like pretty stron
63 Rjpieces : Depends. Egypt and Israel give us nothing in return. SA gives us oil......Turkey is part of Nato. So you don't hate Egypt, Turkey, or Saudi Arabia. Bu
64 Rjpieces : It is my view that people like you are a danger to my country, and a danger to Israel. Anyway, I am done debating with you. From now on, I am going to
65 Post contains images BA : It is my view that people like you are a danger to my country, and a danger to Israel. LOL! That is why comments against Zionism are comments against
66 Post contains images Tbar220 : Both of you ought to chill out, you're really looking like idiots honestly. Go drink some beer, talk about airplanes, and lighten up a little. It real
67 Jutes85 : It is my view that people like you are a danger to my country, and a danger to Israel. LOL! It is sad, but true. Jutes85, I have a question. What do y
68 Post contains links Aviationwiz : Was just reading the news: "Two Palestinian gunmen in Gaza killed a pregnant Israeli woman and her four daughters, ages 2 to 11, in a roadside ambush
69 Tbar220 : It doesn't matter where those people were going, they were still innocent civilians killed by the terrorists. Five people dead, including a pregnant w
70 RONEN : to everyone thinking why can't the Israelis take care of their dispute with the Arabs ? Like Europeans took over their disputes after centuries of wa
71 Aviationwiz : Tbar220, Of course it's rotten, it goes to prove my point that both Arafat & Sharon are at fault here (mostly Arafat) If Arafat was actually cracking
72 Post contains images David b. : So you don't hate Egypt, Turkey, or Saudi Arabia. But Israel, which is our BEST FRIEND in the region, you do hate? Am I getting you right? Twisting my
73 Rjpieces : Bulls**t. Many jews do not recognize Israel. Explain that I said "they might not choose to exercise it." But I guarantee you that those extremist Jews
74 Aviationwiz : Rjpieces is correct. All jews are linked to Israel. Israel is the jewish state & homeland.
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