Vanessa From Iraq, joined Apr 2004, 122 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1803 times:
The responsibility falls on any group, organization, or even a country which never wish to see stability in the ME.
Sometimes, these acts are performed to turn out faces from other dangerous things going on in other locations.
Whoever did it, I do believe that all these terrorsist acts are performed by one undercover man, sitting somewhere, pushing bottoms, making calls, sending faxes and e-mails, delivering messages and playing with the whole world for a purpose, a purpose which I suppose we have a clue about it already.
El-Qaeda, Zionizm, all are still an option. But what we have to find out is who exactly is standing behind them.
Rjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1773 times:
Vanessa, are you joking?! Zionism is not a terrorist group as much as the United States military isn't. How do you consider zionism a terrorist group? And you even consider the option that militans opening fire in Saudi Arabia might be zionists???!
Rjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1714 times:
I think what happens in Palestine every day and their actions in the past speak for themselves
By that comment, you are saying that what the IDF does is terrorism. If what the IDF does is terrorism, how is it any different than the US bombing the crap out of Fallujah?
But if I start posting the facts, you probably wouldn't believe anyway.
For the most part, the facts you post are correct. No body has denied some of the horrible incidents you post. However, your interpretation of these events is very naive and not very accurate.
Zionism and AlQaeda are 2 worldwide known terrorist groups that no man on earth should argue about. (When I say Zionism I don't mean jews or Israel).
Well what exactly do you mean by Zionists? How is Zionism a worldwide terrorist group? And how can you compare Zionism to Al Qaeda? Al Qaeda being an organization that brainwashes young men to crash planes into buiildings killing thousands of civilians with the goal of destroying a civilization....And Zionism being people who believe the Jewish people should have a state. So yeah, i'm curious how Zionism and Al Qaeda are on the same page for you.
Aviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 953 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1712 times:
OK, I'm going to step in here. Saying that Zionism equals Al Quaeda is f**king nuts. That's saying that all Jews are Terrorists, which is like saying that all Arabs are terrorists, which is of course NOT TRUE. Unfortunately, many people (Americans) believe that under President Bush, but it is simply not true. Also, Vanessa, if you are truly from Iraq which is what your profile says, then you of all people shouldn't be saying this, you just suffered for how many years under Saddam, he was a ruthless dictator, who used chemical weapons against his own people! I won't go into the war here and display my thoughts, as this is not the place, but moving on...
Let's see here, I'll say that all Arabs are terrorists, is that true? NO! Of course not, we all know that.
Israel has every right to do what they are doing, there very well could be a Palestinian nation, there are just a few things that need to happen:
1. You guys really need to start cracking down on Terrorism, so far Israel are the only one's doing it, and every news station says they are Evil, which they aren't, they are defending themselves, which they very much have the right to do, as does the United States, or any other nation.
2. Quit wanting more & more & more, Israel has offered many times to give back quite a bit of land, but the Palestinians (particularly Arafat) have always wanted more. Israel won all the land in wars when their Arab neighbors invaded, it's happened countless times, and Israel has won each and every one. When you invade a country, and the winning side has large amounts of casualties, as do the invaded side, you don't just reset back to how it was before, you made a decision, deal with it.
Aviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 953 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1706 times:
Zionism is a political movement among Jews holding that the Jewish people constitute a nation and are entitled to a national homeland. Formally founded in 1897, Zionism embraced a variety of opinions in its early years on where that homeland might be established. From 1917 it focussed on the establishment of a Jewish homeland or state in Palestine, the location of the ancient Kingdom of Israel. Since 1948, Zionism has been a movement to support the development and defence of the State of Israel, and to encourage Jews to settle there.
(Although this article defines Zionism as a political movement among Jews, the term Zionist can be applied to any supporter of Zionism. Some Christians support Zionism for religious reasons: See Christian Zionism.)
Al-Qaida (القاعده in Arabic, and also transliterated as al-Qaeda, al-Qa'ida, al-Quaida, el-Qaida, äl-Qaida and is Arabic for the foundation) is an Islamist paramilitary movement which is widely regarded as a terrorist organization, especially in the West. It is led by Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahri.
Rjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1696 times:
I'm assuming you ALSO mean Israeli state terrorism
Welcome back Horus. Let's continue this in the other thread, we never finished. I'd really like to know whether your view of "Israeli State Terrorism" is any different than "United States terrorism" in Iraq and other places?
Anyhow, we shouldn't be discussing this in this thread. If you want to discuss Israel, there is another active thread on it.
Aviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 953 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1690 times:
Can you please tell me when this has happened when there were NO restriction. I am sure you'll come up with the usual Camp David, Oslo, etc, but have you ever read the small prints to these deals?
Sorry for deviating from the thread but there were issues that had to be addressed
I'm not an expert on the middle east, so, no. It has happened in the past before, numerous times, need more be mentioned that Yithak Rabin.
I'm assuming you ALSO mean Israeli state terrorism
Yeah, my ***, so far all thier doing is bombing the place up, night clubs, coffee shops, wherever they can. Israel does what they do in retaliation, lately Israel has done a good job of not getting innocent civilians caught in the cross-fire. Israel has every right to defend itself from attack, which they are doing a good job of. I'm not going to argue that they have never done terroristic things, that's not true, but lately, they've been doing thier job of defending Israel very well.
Vanessa From Iraq, joined Apr 2004, 122 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1689 times:
Yes I am from Iraq, but I don't live there for some reasons that it is neither the time nor the place to mention why.
Concerning the satan of all evil Saddam and the American -Iraqi problem, I can not argue with you here as I have a deal with JeffM not to discuss the Iraqi-American issue before removing the ban on him. (refer to the other thread on this forum).
Now, concerning Zionism, yes I agree with you, Zionism is a movement among Jews holding that the Jewish people constitute a nation and are entitled to a national homeland. (Fully true)
But can you please find more about the mechanism of action of Zionism in Palestine?
For me, it is the same as saying Hamas is a movement among Palestinian arabs holding that they constitute a free independent state. (At least this is what they claim).
The truth is that Hamas is behaving very badly, and it is considered indeed one of the most dangerous terroristic groups.
Am I right? I suggest doing some more search and stop selecting suitable to your opinion articles. This is if you are still intersted in keeping this discussion constructive and far from all fundamentalism.
Aviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 953 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1675 times:
Well, we agree on pretty much half of what I stated!
Is Hamas an organization for the creation of a Palestinian state? Yes, they are. Their paramilitary/terrorism wing however is not the way to get peace between Israel & their Arab neighbors.
Is there Israeli terrorism? Of course, I don't think anyone would say that there isn't. They've done quite a few moronic, for lack of better terms, moves as well. By moronic, you could substitute terroristic in there as well.
My "road-map" to peace in the middle east.
NOTE: By get rid of, I mean overthrow, not kill.
1. Get rid of Sharon
2. Get rid of Arafat
3. Peaceful protests by Israeli's
4. Peaceful protests by Palestinians
5. Peaceful protests by the surrounding middle east nations.
6. Peaceful protests in Europe, America, etc.
numbers 1 & 2 would need to be done at about the same time, as would numbers 3 & 4. 5 & 6 would follow.
The truth: Sharon is a pig who won't ever accept peace with the Palestinian people, and Arafat is also a pig who will never accept peace with the Israeli's.
Also, I'll throw this out: I am Jewish, in case you have or haven't figured that out, I am for peace in the middle east, fair to all sides. In fact, in local discussions that I take place in at school, or among friends at my synagogue, I'm just about the only one for real peace in the middle east, a lot of other people that I talk to think Israel is doing absolutely everything right, well they fu**ing aren't, I argue them until they are speechless, and often times as a joke, my friends will call my an "anti-Semitic Jew"