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Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?  
User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Posted (10 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 1621 times:

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200405041626.asp

Things like this, if it's accurate, are what make me wary of Kerry, regardless of his politics.

The doctor's account -

I have a very clear memory of an incident which occurred while I was the Medical Officer at Naval Support Facility, Cam Ranh Bay.

John Kerry was a (jg), the OinC or skipper of a Swift boat, newly arrived in Vietnam. On the night of December 2, he was on patrol north of Cam Ranh, up near Nha Trang area. The next day he came to sick bay, the medical facility, for treatment of a wound that had occurred that night.

The story he told was different from what his crewmen had to say about that night. According to Kerry, they had been engaged in a fire fight, receiving small arms fire from on shore. He said that his injury resulted from this enemy action.

Some of his crew confided that they did not receive any fire from shore, but that Kerry had fired a mortar round at close range to some rocks on shore. The crewman thought that the injury was caused by a fragment ricocheting from that mortar round when it struck the rocks.

That seemed to fit the injury which I treated.

What I saw was a small piece of metal sticking very superficially in the skin of Kerry's arm. The metal fragment measured about 1 cm. in length and was about 2 or 3 mm in diameter. It certainly did not look like a round from a rifle.

I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound.

The wound was covered with a bandaid.

Not [sic] other injuries were reported and I do not recall that there was any reported damage to the boat.


Was that worthy of a Purple Heart? People lose legs and are awarded a Purple Heart. Kerry gets a sliver and a Purple Heart?

[Edited 2004-05-05 03:34:09]

40 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 1606 times:

Of course. He needed three to get back to the U.S.


User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 1602 times:

The purple hearts where past out like free cheese during Vietnam... He was there he did serve.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

Whatever he deserves, he went to war, he placed his life in the line of fire for the country. Whatever Kerry deserves or doesn't deserve, is more that can be said for the muppet in the White House.

J

[Edited 2004-05-05 03:37:28]

User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 1601 times:

You believe this? It's conservative bias coming straight from Bush camp.

They did the same thing to one of thier own (John McCain (R-AZ)) during the 2000 Republican Primaries. Bush & company has no respect for anyone, even one of thier own.



Proudly from the Home of the Red Tail.
User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 1590 times:

Wow, At least he served his country, not like our current president who was too chicken to go into REAL service.

You guys are comparing a dick to a finger.



I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 1587 times:

I tend not to put much faith in people recalling obscure facts and events 35 years after. However, for argument's sake, let's say he didn't deserve this one. That leaves him with only two... What an unpatriotic bastard.

User currently offlineJeffm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 1587 times:

Vitaly,
Where the hell do you get that shit? So all the guys out at Buckley are not serving their country? That is not real service? Give me a break kid.

You really don't know what your talking about on this one, so I'll leave it be. Say what you want, it does not change anything.

Jeff

[Edited 2004-05-05 03:57:45]

User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

Jeff, what I'm talking about is getting drafted and actually serving your country instead of hiding out in the reserves and praying to whoever that you don't get called on.

Oh, and one more thing, I completely agree with WellHung on this one.

EVEN IF he didn't deserve his third one, he still has 2 more.




I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 1571 times:

Vitaly,

Forgive me pal. Your wrong.

Jeff


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5398 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 1567 times:

Well hell, even if he didn't "deserve" that Purple Heart, that's still two more than Dubya has to his name.


South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 1566 times:

We'll just bow to you, Jeff, when you say one of us is wrong. I mean, you're perfect, aren't you? You're a better American, a better human being than all of us, right?

spare me.


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

True,
But Dubya, flies around in Air Force One....

Lurch has a charter... LOL


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5398 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

True,
But Dubya, flies around in Air Force One....

Lurch has a charter... LOL


And before that Bill Clinton flew around in Air Force One. What, precisely, is your point, if any?



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

He has no points. He never has points. He has no original thoughts or ideas, except those that the GOP tells him to have. He couldn't come up with ideas on his own if he tried. In many ways, he's just like Bush-an intellectual lightweight.

User currently offlineJeffm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

LOL. Look who's talking about original? Give me a break lilly lips... LMFAO... again.

Your really have not figured this out yet.... Incredible.


User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

Jeff - I'm not saying the folks at Buckley are wusses, because Vietnam experienced about 4-5 times the troops that Iraq+Afghanistan have, that's why they also imposed the draft.

My reasoning is that instead of fighting, he joined coast guard or whatever he was.

Hell, if the draft was imposed, I'd DEFINITELY go into service and not into guard or something else.

Be it like this:

It's like comparing the FBI to the TSA...



I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

When the average tour of duty in Vietnam was 12 months, why did Kerry only serve for 4 months. Bush was in the National Guard for longer than Kerry was in Vietnam.

And for the record, my father was drafted, but he was stationed in Taiwan, and never went to Vietnam (this was, however, only a year before we pulled out). Is he a patriot?


User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4505 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 1529 times:

I frankly don't care. I mean, this issue of whether Kerry deserved a purple heart hardly matters I think...I don't think Kerry himself gets to "apply" to have a purple heart, aren't they awarded based on someone higher-up?

If that's the case then whether Kerry deserved it or not, him getting one for that injury wasn't necessarily his decision. And thus, we can't "blame" him for getting a purple heart he didn't deserve.


Let me ask you this:

Kerry fought bravely in that war. So maybe he got one purple heart he didn't deserve, but does that make him somehow less of a person? I don't see one reason, whatsoever, why this issue makes Kerry less desirable or trustworthy as a leader. This is just the GOP's attempt to make an issue where none exists.


If you want to have a reason to not trust Kerry, find a better reason. And MD-90 that isn't necessarily aimed at you, I'm just saying, I dont see why this should make you uneasy about Kerry whatsoever.


User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

Hey all you guys!!
Were any of you guys in Vietnam? Did any of you see John Keyy in action??
I think not. So how can any of you sit here and discuss if he deserved his purple heart or not if you weren't there?? All you know about it is the stories you get from the media.


User currently offlineEmmett99 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 1510 times:

Crap that happened 35 years ago is just bull shit. It's like dubya drinking and doing cocaine. Who the hell cares. We were all stupid at some point, and some of us still are. What really matters is who has a plan for the economy, and keeping the US and maybe the world safe. I personally can't stand Kerry, but that is more of a democrat from Mass. than any other reason. Not the greatest track record there. But he isn't going to cave to the terrorist and let them have a free reign on this country.

User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

How the hell can anybody tell a person, who got up in front of the bad end of several machine guns, defended our rights and our freedoms, INCLUDING THAT OF PROTEST, Get hit by pieces flying from said guns,

How the hell can you say that he doesn't deserve the purple heart?

I would be defending Dubya just as adamately if it was him being questioned, But he hid in the reserves for his "duty."

DLKAPA


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1487 times:

So where will you hide Eric? Or do you have plans to enlist and defend our rights and our freedoms, including that of protest as well?

The reason they are being discussed is because there are some holes in the story, and he will not allow full disclosure of his service record. I don't question his honor in serving at all.


User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

He did more in Vietnam than Bush did  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

None of us were there 40 years ago next to Kerry when stuff happened so we don't know EXACTLY what happened.



Never Trust Your Fuel Gauge
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1469 times:

Kerry served. The military made the decisions to give him those medals. At least he didn't spend the war fighting the Mexicans in Texas.

And again, for both men, why the hell does it matter? Why should either side be bringing this up? It has no bearing on what's going on today.


25 QIguy24 : Exactly Alpha, They should win because of their knowledge and their policies. Not on what happened many many years ago. That doesn't do any good now.
26 Confuscius : At least he didn't spend the war fighting the Mexicans in Texas. He was in the battlefields of Alabama fighting the Democrats. I wonder if his candida
27 Captoveur : I don't think what Kerry did during the war is that big of an issue. I think what really matters is the giant crap he took on everyone fighting in tha
28 N6376m : Who cares? This election is about our future not about what two 20-somethings did 30+ years ago. Bush went to the ANG to avoid Vietnam, Kerry exaggera
29 L.1011 : My grandfather served in the German Navy on a U-boat by enlisting 3 months before he would have been drafted into the infantry. Upon arrival home, he
30 EA CO AS : While I don't want Kerry in the White House, the man served our country in battle. I won't begrudge him that, nor the medals he earned. Also, let's no
31 Aaron747 : This is partisanship at its worst. God almighty, the lows people will stoop to for f*cking political ammunition. Talk about lack of common decency, se
32 B747-437B : Upon arrival home, he rounded up all the Nazis in his town with his friend, took them out to the fields outside of town and shot them. That make him a
33 Vafi88 : Upon arrival home, he rounded up all the Nazis in his town with his friend, took them out to the fields outside of town and shot them. That make him a
34 L.1011 : No, but it makes him a cold blooded murderer. These being the very same Nazis that wiped out the entire Jewish population in the town? That forced his
35 Vafi88 : L1011 - I think of it as someone coming here after the Bush administration and killing everyone in his brigade or killing his colonel or Sarge. I'm in
36 Post contains images Jeffm : "And again, for both men, why the hell does it matter? Why should either side be bringing this up? It has no bearing on what's going on today. anyone
37 Post contains images Alpha 1 : anyone have any asprin? I must not be feeling well, I agree with that statement %100. Too bad you don't take that aspirin more often, Jeff. Because I'
38 Post contains images Jeffm : If you only practiced what you preached....
39 Vafi88 : Jeff - So if you practice what Alpha preaches, them you must be voting for Kerry, right? Hehe. I love to put others' words against them... For fun, of
40 B747-437B : These being the very same Nazis that wiped out the entire Jewish population in the town? That forced his/my family out of said town, along with many o
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