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(Iraq Pris. Abuse) Is She A Scapegoat?  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

"IT'S SO NOT HER." claims family, friends.

http://www.dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1258&storyid=1302907

http://homepage.mac.com/rondavis/iblog/C1916670613/E564552831/

http://bitterfact.tripod.com/iraq/torture_photos1.html


Even if she WAS following orders, I doubt she wasn't oredered to pose with a thumbs up.


What's your take?


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
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User currently offlineZweed From Netherlands, joined Apr 2004, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1346 times:

crime was commited in Iraq. let the Iraqi sharia-court give her a trial.

DO they stone people to death in Iraq like in Iran?


User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

Well - Problem is Iraq has a new flag but no new proper justice system, so we dont no what the shareea courts are gonna be like yet.

User currently onlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

I think she's being singled out to blame, because she's the one showing on the photos.

User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1323 times:

crime was commited in Iraq. let the Iraqi sharia-court give her a trial.

But she was at the time doing her duty as a military officer, which means that she is in the Military justice system.



At worst, you screw up and die.
User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1311 times:

I suppose the excuse is going to be "I was only following orders..."  Insane


Didn't work for the Nazis, dear...


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1305 times:

If she's a scapegoat fine. If not, then there's not much difference.

Demented cow. She'll get what's coming to her.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1267 times:

Oh I believe that she did it.

I also believe that she is also a scapegoat.

Apparently according to the news tonight, she got knocked up five months ago from the sargent that is in some of the shots with her.


And you are correct, "just following orders" isn't defensible.



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User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1255 times:

Maybe she can use the "trailer park excuse"?!? Why am I not surprised?  Smile

But yeah, they are being used as scapegoats -- doesn't excuse what they did -- but there are probably too many higher ranking military officials who won't see any investigation taking place against them -- to have 6 scapegoats is good enough in the eyes of the public.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

Actually they are up to at least 13 now Russophile.

I suspect that more will follow.



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User currently offlineJoseMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1248 times:

She should get the exact same punishment as if it had been a male soldier.

Not more, but certainly not less either.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1245 times:

Jose I can't see any scenario where she isn't going to end up with what the Army calls, "A Kansas Vacation"

But give the time for the system to work. She and the others are entitled to that.


Ducking now because I am sure some wag is going to take a shot at that last comment.



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1245 times:
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I just saw Colin Powell on TV and he referred to the "misbehaviour of some American soldiers in Iraq..."

Talk about an understatement!



After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1243 times:

What was understated??

Should it have been "the misbehaviour of all American soldiers in Iraq..."


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1240 times:
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the use of the word "misbehaviour"


After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1239 times:

You guys better not be writing the world "all" into that comment.


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User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1237 times:

What word would you rather have had him use?

User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1232 times:
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misbehaviour is when a kid sticks a banana in a car's tailpipe. I think most people would agree that this is a little more serious than that.


After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1233 times:

How is she a scapegoat for anything? She is not being held accountable for other peoples' actions.

In addition to being depraved enough to participate in torture, she is also stupid enough to pose for photos while committing these crimes.

This 'scapegoat' excuse is about as contrived and bogus as they come.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1206 times:

Bananas in the tailpipe? Couldn't tell, the pictures were blurry.

It was terrible and these people and perhaps others will get a court-martial but I'd still rather take my chances as an Iraqi in custody of the US Army than an American in custody of Iraqis.





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User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1190 times:

N79969 just stated why it doesn't matter if she's a scapegoat.

RULE #1 to never be a scapegoat: DON'T POSE IN FRONT OF YOUR CRIME WITH A DOPEY-ASS GRIN ON YOUR FACE!



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User currently offlineAdria From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1149 times:

Hopefully this will open the eyes of the American people because they are the only one who can stop this useless war

User currently offlineJeffm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1137 times:

"...they are the only one who can stop this useless war.."

LOL how wrong can you be.. It would have ended long ago if those Iraqi jerks (rebels) had quit blowing up and shooting at the soldiers....

And your right by saying it is useless, they can't possibly think they will win?


User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1109 times:

She was responsible for her own actions and she is being used as a scapegoat.

The court martial will be a farce because the outcome is already know. Guilty.

Can anyone imagine the geopolitical ramifications of her (or any of her compatriots) being found not guilty. It will make the Rodney King riots look like a walk in the park.

The notion of command responsibility has gone completely out the window in this country - be it Rumsfeld, Ken Lay, Dennis Kozlowski, Martha Stewart or anyone else. If you are in a command position you should bear responsibility.

-76M


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1093 times:

There is no more possibility of denial that torture and humiliation in Iraq were both widespread and systematic and that the american authorities had knowledge about it for a full year.

So the low-ranking soldiers paraded as individual perpetrators certainly bear their own share of the guilt, but this is a direct consequence of the way the Iraq invasion was prepared, sold to the american public and executed by the civilian and military leadership.

Just look at how many americans still falsely believe that Iraq had been behind 9-11 and you don´t have to wonder how you´d get "normal americans" to do what they´ve done. It wouldn´t even take that much; You just need to nudge them forward with the example of Guantanamo and the "understanding" that the leadership is expecting results by any means. That and a lack of oversight, and your ready-made disaster is prepared...


25 Cptkrell : I still think she quite enjoyed her participation in the photographs and am entirely sure that she won't be a "scapegoat" but prosecuted along with ot
26 Galaxy5 : i doubt very much that she will see a Muslim court, besides SOFA will be used and she will be prosecuted under the UCMJ. No American soldier should be
27 Stratofish : Whatever she gets, I feel sotty of that (unborn) child of hers. A different kind of a famous mom he/she will have. And scapegoat or not, how dumb must
28 Adria : LOL how wrong can you be.. It would have ended long ago if those Iraqi jerks (rebels) had quit blowing up and shooting at the soldiers.... And your ri
29 MD11Engineer : Stratofish, Have you heard about Ilse Koch of Buchenwald fame? Jan
30 Stratofish : Have heard of her, but I don't know what you wanna tell me. f i l l e r
31 Post contains images Russophile : LOL how wrong can you be.. It would have ended long ago if those Iraqi jerks (rebels) had quit blowing up and shooting at the soldiers.... LOL how wro
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