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User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

This comes on a day in which most of the former Soviet Union celebrates Victory Day -- 9 May -- the day that the USSR defeated NAZI Germany and the deaths of more than 20 million people are commemorated. And how do the Chechens decide to celebrate?

By setting off a bomb in a football stadium in Grozny which was packed with people commemorating Victory Day.

Chechen President Akhmad Kadyrov has been killed as has a journalist -- there are an unspecified number of other deaths and injuries as a result of the blast was centred below the VIP section of the stadium. There are young children also amongst the seriously injured.

http://www.newsru.com/russia/09may2004/terakt.html

Now let's all turn around and hug the Chechen terrorist closest to you. How many will you hug today?

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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8697 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1538 times:

"Now let's all turn around and hug the Chechen terrorist closest to you. How many will you hug today?"

Who are you referring to? The ones who called you a "terrorist hugger"?

May the victims rest in peace.



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User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1506 times:

Referring to? No-one in particular -- but aimed towards those who seem to think that the Chechens are warm and fuzzy and it's all Russia's fault that shit is happening in Chechnya.

The loss of Kadyrov is a setback to a resolution in Chechnya -- he used to be a terrorist leader when Yeltsin sent the troops into Chechnya, but later denounced his fellow terrorists, because of their extreme brand of Islam which they wanted to enforce on the entire population (and neighbouring republics). He even went on the record as saying that the Russians have given Chechnya everything they ever had -- when left to their own devices the Chechens screw everything up.

Maybe Russia should pull out completely from Chechnya -- then leave the extremists for a few months -- the world will be begging the Russians to go back into the territory, as the Republic (and region) turns into exactly what caused the Russians to go in on both occasions.

And why Victory Day? Maybe it has to do with the Chechens were Nazi collaborators -- maybe they are pissed the Nazi's didn't win the war -- good thing they didn't -- what happened to them under Soviet rule is nothing compared to what the Nazis would have done.

Latest is that 14 are confirmed dead, and the MChS is saying that 50 are seriously injured, with reports of people having their legs blown off.


User currently offlinePU151 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1499 times:

Aside from the terrorist attack, which I of course condemn, there's one thing that bugs me.

The bomb seems to have exploded directly BENEATH the seats where the president and other dignitaries were (I just saw a video of it on French news).

I mean, didn't anyone think of checking down there for a bomb? What kind of security did that guy have? That's the first line in the book! Imagine, this could have been prevented.


User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

It's hard to tell PU151. And let me tell you why. Details are still sketchy though.

This isn't the first attack on Dinamo Stadium.

Two years, to the day, these warm and fuzzy Chechens set off a bomb in Makhachkala in neighbouring Dagestan. The bomb was set off by remote control and was set off in the middle of a Victory Day parade in that city. Over 30 people killed and hundreds wounded.

On the same day in 2002, the same warm and fuzzy Chechens used an apartment building in Grozhny (the name suits this city to a tee) to fire rocket grenades into the stadiu, which like today, was being used for Victory Day commemorations.

It just seems they have moved up from rocket grenades. Maybe the bomb was set and was set off by remote control. Or maybe the security below the VIP section of the section wasn't as heavily protected -- it is typical in Russia for government leaders to commemorate Victory Day with the public -- with the Chechen commemorations being held in a stadium, it would likely be hard to search everyone. And the Chechens have started new techniques, such as using suicide bombers -- Kadyrov was almost the victim of a female suicide bomber not long ago.

Two things are certain:

1) Maskhadov is behind this -- that is without a doubt.
2) Putin is going to take a hard line with Chechnya in future -- Kadyrov was in the unique position of being the pro-Moscow President of Chechnya but was also very critical of some abuses by Russian military forces -- that he was able to be so critical and still holds onto power is quite unique. I don't think the next President will be quite so critical in the future.


User currently offlineZweed From Netherlands, joined Apr 2004, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1479 times:

If people think what Ms. England did in the Iraqi prison was bad they should look into what our fellow russians are doing in Chechnya.

I heard drag racing with armed vehicles with a chechnyn soldier tied to the vehicle is very popular.


User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1471 times:

Hmmm... I guess you can pick and choose which terrorist bastards you want to hug.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1467 times:

God, ain't that the truth JAL777.




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User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1468 times:

"Referring to? No-one in particular -- but aimed towards those who seem to think that the Chechens are warm and fuzzy and it's all Russia's fault that shit is happening in Chechnya."


you are a real hypocrite, you call those people in iraq insurgents and all that, but in the same shot call those chechens terrorist bastards.
mind you that russian soldiers were used to elect in chechnya to have a pro moscow president, the occupying soldiers.
it is as hypocritical as if the brits would let every british soldier cast a vote in basrah and "democratically" elect a british major.
russian interests in having influence in the oil rich area around the caspian sea are what caused the FUBAR in chechnya. it is as despicable as the u.s. invasion in iraq, yet you are flaming it all the time and now have the balls to defend the same game with russian flavour? hypocrisy galore!



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User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1446 times:

you are a real hypocrite, you call those people in iraq insurgents and all that, but in the same shot call those chechens terrorist bastards.

Really? Care to show me where I have said this? Don't pull shit out of your arse and try to fling it at me, because it won't stick. In regards to Iraq, there are terrorists -- I do not disagree with anyone who says there is. And there are terrorists who are not Iraqi.

However, there are Iraqi insurgents who are not terrorists -- these are the ones who attack only military targets.

In addition, comparing Iraq to Chechnya is comparing apples and oranges.

The reason the Russians are in Chechnya is because 1) it is Russian territory and 2) it was the Chechens who attacked Russian civilians.

The Americans, Brits, Aussies, etc are in Iraq because.....hell....I can't remember this week's reason, but at no point did Iraq attack any American, British, Australian, Polish, etc territory.

This does not justify the attacking by insurgents of civilians -- just as the excuses use to wage war against Iraq are not justified.

In Chechnya, there is a clear and very distinct reason -- it was the Chechens who re-ignited the war by chosing terrorism over peace.

And in addition, this is an internal Russian problem.

mind you that russian soldiers were used to elect in chechnya to have a pro moscow president, the occupying soldiers. it is as hypocritical as if the brits would let every british soldier cast a vote in basrah and "democratically" elect a british major.

Are you sure you are not talking about recent elections in which Russian soldiers were allowed to enact their right to vote in Russian Presidential elections at polling booths set up in various Chechen towns and cities.

russian interests in having influence in the oil rich area around the caspian sea are what caused the FUBAR in chechnya.

If it was about oil, then can you explain to me WHY the Russians fully withdrew from Chechnya, left the Chechens to their own devices, and then invaded again only AFTER the Chechens decided it would be good to bomb some apartment buildings. If it was about oil, the Russians would not have withdrawn from Chechnya in the first place.

Unlike Iraq, the Russians did not enter Chechnya with a convoy of soldiers followed closely behind by a convoy of oil and gas workers. There was a very clear reason as to the invasion of Chechnya.

Call me a hypocrit if you like -- I could really care less -- but I don't see the world as black & white -- given two identical situations -- one action may be justified whilst another is not -- however, Iraq and Chechnya are two completely different situations.

Next!


User currently offlineZweed From Netherlands, joined Apr 2004, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

Remember that he is russian, hence he doesnt get the same true news reports as ther rest of the world gets about Chechnya. The commin Russian has no idea about what's actually going in Chechnya. The only get selective propaganda.
That is a fact.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8697 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

You folks might consider stopping your little flame war before it all gets deleted and you get banned.


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlinePU151 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1415 times:

That is BS Zweed, do you really think we get 100% true and neutral information from the media here in Europe on ANY serious matter? And, BTW, knowing that Russophile obviously has an IT connection and he can read English, he has access to roughly the same media sources as we do.

So if you're gonna put up an argument, try to use some other angle than the propaganda stuff. We're not in the 50s anymore.

And, L-188, about the cartoon you posted, it is not 100% true, there were Iraqis that were quite shocked by what happened with the contractors. Unfortunately, Gallup couldn't take a poll on that one  Big grin .


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1411 times:

I would hope that that cartoon would not apply to 99.9% of Iraqi's or arabs/muslim in general PU151


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User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

Zweed - nice try bud! But living in a country like netherlands doesn't really help your case. The fact is, is that EVERY newspaper/tv news has bias (fox news neo-con CNN moderately libs). The russian people see everyday what goes in chechniya and even people subscribing to the russian stations in other countries get it (such as my grandparents). We see what goes on.


The fact is, is that you westerners forgot that a while ago the Soviet Union broke apart, and there is still a cold war (maybe moral more than military now) going on.

Solution: stay out of Russian internal affairs.



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User currently offlineZweed From Netherlands, joined Apr 2004, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1402 times:

PU151

That is not bullshit at all.
The common population are not aware of the true situation in Chechnya at all. The news coming out to the population from Chechnya are heavily controlled and censored.
I dont know if you have any knowledge in this area, it doesnt seem like it. And yes, propaganda is the most pwerful tool in modern warfare. Did you know that?
Of course we dont get 100% true information. But having our own reporters in the area gives us a much more reliable picture than the press releases coming from the Russian armed forces.


User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1405 times:

Remember that he is russian, hence he doesnt get the same true news reports as ther rest of the world gets about Chechnya. The commin Russian has no idea about what's actually going in Chechnya. The only get selective propaganda.
That is a fact.


Me? A Russian? That is a fact? Look up the meaning of my username, and you might realise it isn't a fact. And as I speak Russian, I read plenty of RUSSIAN sources which are both for and against the war in Chechnya -- I don't need to read non-Russian sources because they are at best biased and at worst totally inaccurate -- the Finnish Moscow Helsinki Group being one of these -- in one press release they say there weren't observers in Chechen elections, another press release says they were, and then again they say they weren't -- it is this group which a lot of the western media get's their news in Chechnya from.

As to other Russians, you might be surprised -- most Russians I know check www.newsru.com which is the most objective Russian media source there is. And they are extremely critical of Russian government policies when it is warranted.


User currently offlinePU151 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

And, again, I tell you that Russophile has an IT connection and therefore has access to exactly the same media reports we do....

Yeah, and you're right, I probably know nothing about the subject... It's not like I went through a 18 months geopolitics course and that my final 100-page paper was about Chechnya.

But you missed my point, I was talking about propaganda in general, saying that if, basically, you and I (I live in France), can get to the truth behind Chechnya, Russophile too can.

But let's tone it down before we get all booted out, as someone suggested.

Edit: If I contributed to heat up this damn thing, or offended someone, sorry, I didn't mean to.

[Edited 2004-05-09 16:18:09]

User currently offlineZweed From Netherlands, joined Apr 2004, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

The day russia has independent media will be the same day George W Bush gets accepted in MENSA

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8060 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1368 times:

"This comes on a day in which most of the former Soviet Union celebrates Victory Day -- 9 May -- the day that the USSR defeated NAZI Germany and the deaths of more than 20 million people are commemorated."

Why the hell should Chechnyans be expected to celebrate Russian military victories?! Are you mad?! Chechnyans kill a collaborator in the brutal occupation of their country, and we're supposed to sympathise with Russia?!

When is Russia going to leave Chechnya?



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User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

By setting off a bomb in a football stadium in Grozny which was packed with people commemorating Victory Day.


Football stadium in Grozny?? Grozny has been reduced to rubble.



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User currently offlineLeviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1341 times:

God Zweed, you are so stupid that it hurts. I doubt more and more that you actually finished elementary school...

User currently offlineKolobokman From Russia, joined Oct 2000, 1180 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

Why the hell should Chechnyans be expected to celebrate Russian military victories?!
Chechen veterans of the WWII were celebrating the Victory day! Do you seriously believe they were forced to do that, or are you a blind believer that Russians are pure evil!

Here is a video from Vesti news agency: http://www.vesti.ru/video.html?vid=31075
I didn't spot too many Russian faces.

Apparently the bomb was placed in the cement during the construction 3 moths ago.



I can neither confirm, nor deny above post
User currently offlineKolobokman From Russia, joined Oct 2000, 1180 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1326 times:

Football stadium in Grozny?? Grozny has been reduced to rubble

Seriously? Your local news told you that? Is there a picture in your mind of an empty space that used to be Grozny?

Yes, it was shuttered a lot, but Chechens with the money for their oil perhaps and with the help of the rest of the country(Russian Federation) have been rebuilding it. I guess your news have not been running that story



I can neither confirm, nor deny above post
User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1319 times:

The day russia has independent media will be the same day George W Bush gets accepted in MENSA

What's his MENSA membership ID, because Russia DOES have an independent media -- a flourishing independent media at that. I should know!! How I should know is absolutely none of your business -- but trust me, I know all too well.

Why the hell should Chechnyans be expected to celebrate Russian military victories?! Are you mad?!

Firstly, it wasn't a Russian military victory -- it was a Soviet military victory -- a victory which didn't come cheap. But you are right -- why should the Chechens celebrate the victory over the Nazi's -- they would have preferred being exterminated by the Germans than exiled by the Soviets -- doesn't matter that there were Chechens in the Soviet armed forces though?

Chechnyans kill a collaborator in the brutal occupation of their country, and we're supposed to sympathise with Russia?!

A collaborator? This is what I love about airliners.net -- so many people have an opinion on the subject, but only a very distinct few have any idea of what is happening -- I could probably count on 10 fingers out of 10,000 members who would have any idea.

Kadyrov is anything but a collaborator. He was involved in the peace plans when Yeltsin sent the troops into Chechnya the first time. After he saw firsthand, remember he was a terrorist himself (and a mufti), what Maskhadov and the other extremists had in stall for Chechnya -- kidnappings, murders, bombings, more extreme Islamic law than the Taliban, etc -- he denounced what they were doing -- Kadyrov himself is a MUSLIM -- a Muslim who realises that an extreme Islamic state is not what Chechnya needs. He himself said that it is plainly obvious that left to their own devices, Maskhadov and the band of merry men...err....bandits......were ruining the country.

And by the way, they didn't just kill Kadyrov, but they also killed INNOCENT CIVILIANS. You know Cedarjet, the same INNOCENT CIVILIANS you moan about when Israel takes out leaders of Hamas and the like?!?

When is Russia going to leave Chechnya?

When Chechnya decides to:

* Stop blowing up apartment buildings
* Stop blowing up commuter trains
* Stop taking innocent civilians hostage in movie theatres
* Stop hijacking aircraft and threatening to blow them up
* Stop supporting terrorist acts in Dagestan
* Stop their kidnappings of innocent people in Chechnya
* Stop the torture of innocent hostages in Chechnya (such as chopping off the ears of a young girl and mailing them to her father)
* Stop their murders of innocent people in Chechnya
* Stop trying to force the entire Chechen population to live under extreme Islamic law
* Stop allowing Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups to train in Chechnya
* and generally, when they decide to stop being a republic whose government is run by a group of people I can only describe as being like a "pizda vonyuchaya"

After all, this is what caused the sorry mess in that republic.

Football stadium in Grozny?? Grozny has been reduced to rubble.

Grozhny is being rebuilt. Plus, the reduced to rubble nonsense is an over exaggeration of the western media. Anyway, the Dinamo stadium was there 2 years ago -- you would have known this if you read above  Big grin


[Edited 2004-05-09 17:55:06]

25 Galaxy5 : A while back you said there wasn't a problem in Chechnia, i guess you were wrong. But, the terrorists there need to be put down swiftly and without pr
26 Go Canada! : You cannot pick and chose terrorist groups to condemm, you either condemm call or nothing.Do you support the palestinain terrorists because some agrue
27 Airplay : "Terrorism" is such a subjective and over-used term it has lost all meaning. If you are at the receiving end of violence, you are more inclinded to la
28 Tbar220 : Pretty bad what has happened there. I don't really know how Russia should respond to this, as it was the Chechen president who was killed. That whole
29 Vafi88 : "pizda vonyuchaya" I whole-heartedly agree! Tbar - I am anti-palestinian terrorists as well, and actually I am anti-all terrorists. Russophile, welcom
30 Tbar220 : Vafi, I'm glad to hear that. There's a big double standard where people are outraged at terrorism but have a tendency to say that Palestinian terroris
31 Russophile : A while back you said there wasn't a problem in Chechnia, i guess you were wrong. I guess you were wrong, as I never said such a thing. And to all the
32 Dc10guy : Could someone use the word "hug" in a sentence ??? My girlfriend says I'm "hug".... The jury is "hug" ??? "Hug" the terrorist closest to me ???
33 Cptkrell : DcGuy; "hug" is a popular USA term for "embrace" or other physical bodily affection such as "squeeze". You may be confusing it with a completely diffe
34 Galaxy5 : A while back you said there wasn't a problem in Chechnia, i guess you were wrong. I guess you were wrong, as I never said such a thing. No your wrong,
35 North County : One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. and vice versa
36 Indianguy : One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. and vice versa I am with Russophile on this. Chechnya is an integral part of Russia and always has
37 N79969 : ...and Kashmir is sovereign nation under oppressive Indian occupation for over 50 years. Kashmiris attacking India are thus freedom fighters. That's c
38 Bobrayner : Chechnya is an integral part of Russia and always has been. Completely false.
39 Russophile : Not completely false. For the best part of the last 350+ years, Chechnya has been part of the Russian Empire and later of the Soviet Union, and now of
40 North County : Didn't the Czar invade and take control of the area in the mid 1800's? Didn't Chechenia declare their independence after WW1?
41 Russophile : The mid 1800s is when complete control was asserted over Chechnya, but since the 1600s Chechnya has been colonised by Russians. And a lot of territori
42 Sovietjet : nuke chechnya, nuke iraq, nuke afghanistan...problem solved
43 North County : Russophile, Before the mid 1800's who was in control of the area? Self rule, other power? kingdom?
44 Russophile : There was no such thing as 'self rule' in Chechnya -- it has always been a clan-based society -- much like the current Chechnya how each warlord belon
45 Bravo45 : Maybe it has to do with the Chechens were Nazi collaborators -- maybe they are pissed the Nazi's didn't win the war Not to mention that your ideal Sta
46 IndianFlyboy : N79969, Lets not go into the Kashmir issue. Another thing , the Kingdom was Jammu and Kashmir , not Kashmir . This was ceeded to India by order of the
47 Bobrayner : Russophile appears to feel that the wishes of the Chechens, or declarations of independence, do not grant any legitimacy to Chechen nationhood, any mo
48 Zak : "Call me a hypocrit if you like -- I could really care less -- but I don't see the world as black & white -- given two identical situations -- one ac
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