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Im Sorry, But Why Do WE Have To Appologize....  
User currently offlineWardialer From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1183 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3610 times:

Why do we have to say sorry to the world when there corrupting out troops over in Iraq.

The American people have a heart.

If they want to treat us the sick way, then lets treat them the same. Why should we appologe? Why? Thats why were losing this war because we are not trained to handle the sick and fanatic people that are there. All we know how to do is leash out bombs and stuff.

Like again, we should not appologize to the world on what we did to those pprisoner detainees because they are treating us the same exact way or even worse.

If nobody here agrees, then consider yourself to ashamed and dont deserve to walk the earth.

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User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

Because we're there to show them democracy and how their newly elected leaders and officers will not do what Saddam did to them.

We're better than them morally, well, most of us...



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8374 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3601 times:

Last I checked we were a civilized nation and didn't treat human beings like that. We're over there to free them from opression and torture, not bring more of it ourselves. Yes they treated our prisoners like crap, but that doesn't mean we should do the same.

Also, we aren't "losing this war" as you put it. I don't know what gave you that idea. I never thought I'd say this to someone like you, but man you're the one that should be ashamed. You actually condone raping children and torturing POWs?



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17825 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

" Why should we appologe?"

Because we are so much better than them. The Muslim/Arab leaders will never even acknowledge any of the horrific things they have done.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineWardialer From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3575 times:

No no no wait a minute.

Yes we are a civilized nation and thats WHY were losing the war because we are not trained to be like them. If they want to play that game then we should play inmorally. Its like standing there letting someone punch you or beat you up without you in self-defense. Im sorry but we should Uncivilize ourselfs (USA) and stop being loyal to them and we should train our troops to handle fanatics. Why is ONLY Iraq the ones that should need help. Look at other countries who have starving children and families out there and we arent doing anything. But that not the point. We should stop having a heart and take care of business.

Oh, and what about those other two burned up bodies who were hanged from the bridge???? OK, explain that to me.

Lets forget the the "Oh Im sorry to the world" and lets do something for crying out loud.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8374 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3569 times:

No, last I checked POWs didn't fight. Your POW is a POW and he's out of action regardless of how he's treated. You don't win a war by smacking around POWs.


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User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3442 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3564 times:

what the hell is this needing to play hardball buisness!?!? the "freeing the Iraqi people" is our last excuse for invading Iraq. If we're going to treat detainees (many of whom were arrested by accident due to misinfomration, bad inteligence, or mistaken identity) like shit, then what the hells the point?

The idea that all Iraqis should be treated like animals because a few Iraqis and a few foerigners decide to continue their terrorist activities is like saying Americans like me should be attcked just beacause our country has few jackoffs such as yourself.



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User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

"We" should apologize for those misdirected few of "us", even though their actions aren't in perspective with "our" (rightfully/wrongfully conceived) primary or secondary intentions.

Apologies are appropos and have been issued (much unlike many other countries, regimes, dictatorships, etc. would pursue), but at this point these events have, in a somewhat almost predictable way, manifested into a feeding frenzy from all points geo/political with agendas that spread much further than the point(s) of justice.

That's the way it is. Regards...Jack



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User currently offlineWardialer From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

They should be treated like animals because these people ARE animals. My reaction to the video is this: Hitler was a kind man compared to these men. Period. Thats my saying reaction to this whole thing.

The leashing of those prisoners were tiotally justified. I dont care or what do people say but those who were charged on that crime or misbehavoir should deserve there freedom. Im sorry. But I wont and will not let this matter go. I cant believe my mind that these people have no clue on that we had one of are troops tortured on video and there disagreeing with me. My god.

This tells me that you people dont have any respect for your own American troops. But fine, if you want to not defend yourself and let our country to be laughed at by saying sorry to the world and in the meantime have one our troops being tortured on video thats kind of odd in its own way.


User currently offlineEmiratesA345 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 2123 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

"If nobody here agrees, then consider yourself to ashamed and dont deserve to walk the earth."

First of all, who in the hell made you the authority on who does and doesn't deserve to walk the earth.

"The Muslim/Arab leaders will never even acknowledge any of the horrific things they have done."

Yes, keep telling yourself that. So you're saying the US has admitted to ALL the scandalous things it has done? Bullshit.

EmiratesA345 Insane



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17825 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3517 times:

"Yes, keep telling yourself that. So you're saying the US has admitted to ALL the scandalous things it has done? Bullshit.
"

If the US admitted to ONE thing, it would be an infinite improvement over all Muslim leaders. And we have admitted to many more than just one thing.



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User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

Wardialer, you're painting yourself into a bad picture. Your vengeance against an entire peoples fueled by the actions of just a portion of same is little different than the vengeance displayed by only some Iraqis against the U.S.

I disagree with the (excessive) proportionality of media exposure that the mistreatment of some Iraqi prisoners has received, but in a measured context, your total rant only serves to hinder, not help, what goodwill that the U.S. is attempting to achieve in Iraq. Regards...Jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2411 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

Thats why were losing this war
All we know how to do is leash out bombs and stuff.


After all there is a couple of true senses in this hole self-hypnotic thread about convincing yourselves that you are not what you actually are.

You could start to apologize for starting a war illegally, with no reason, no proofs and that started for you not to realize your authorities were unable to catch the guilty of 9-11

Americans have hearts? yes, I know you do, big ones indeed capable of the USA for Africa and everything, but guess what: we all do! Why do you think the pain of your mourners after the WTC is harder that the pain of the mothers that lost children in Iraq? Do you really think you are better? No, you are not, we are all human. I hope you'll finally understand that before you blow up the whole world.

Saludos,

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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3497 times:

If they want to treat us the sick way, then lets treat them the same. Why should we appologe?

Because we're better than they are, Wardialer, unless you think we should be as barbaric as they are. Is that what you want? Are you so shallow and so petty a person, that you cannot see that if you stoop to their level, then WE become like Al Qaeda, or Hamas, or Hezbollah? Do you REALLY want that?

Also, we aren't "losing this war" as you put it. I don't know what gave you that idea.

I don't think we're winning it, either. I was watching ABC News late last week, and an "unnamed" GOP Congressman, said he thought we were on the verge of a strategic catastrophe there. So I certainly don't think we're winning.

They should be treated like animals because these people ARE animals.

And so are you, Wardailer. You're as bad as an "animal" as those scum who murdered Mr. Berg, because you would stoop to the same. But does this mean ALL Arabs and Iraqi's are animals? Do you REALLY believe that.

If you catch these 5 mean, you damn well execute them, but that doesnt' mean you go about wontonly executing someone because they're Iraqi. That's the excuse of a barbarian. And you're acting like one.


User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

This tells me that you people dont have any respect for your own American troops. But fine, if you want to not defend yourself and let our country to be laughed at by saying sorry to the world and in the meantime have one our troops being tortured on video thats kind of odd in its own way.

Uhh, yes we do, but we also have respect for human beings and human life. Revenge isn't the answer in this case, we don't want to sink to their level and do the same thing they did, but a few troops did.

2 wrongs don't make a right.



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User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3451 times:

Wardialer, get off your high horse. Being an American doesn't make you any better as a person than any Iraqi out there. Our President got us into this war, and nasty things happen in war. No one's happy about what happened, but it makes no logical sense to claim all Iraqis animals because of what a select few did. Remember, we're in their country. God knows what the hell you'd do, with your attitude, if the tables were turned. You sound every bit as barbaric as the guys in that video did.

I am just as pissed off as any other American out there about this, but I'm not going to blame my Iraqi friend, or the Persian guy that works at the store next to my house, because I know they're decent people. Screw just hatred, you're oozing with racism, I hope you understand what that means.

"Yes, keep telling yourself that. So you're saying the US has admitted to ALL the scandalous things it has done? Bullshit."

Couldn't agree more.


FSP



User currently offlineWardialer From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3440 times:

If we appologize to the world and Iraq regarding the torture of those prisoners then they will think of us as being weak.

User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

"If we appologize to the world and Iraq regarding the torture of those prisoners then they will think of us as being weak. "

Hate to rain on your parade, but Bush already apologized. And it won't make us look weak, it will make us look decent. When we left Vietnam, Nixon wanted Peace with Honor. There's no honor in what we did, and apologizing means we recognized that.

Now stop drinking and come back when you're sober.


FSP


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17825 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3419 times:

"God knows what the hell you'd do, with your attitude, if the tables were turned"

You mean if I was living in a pit without any freedoms or human rights and a free, democratic civilization came in to take it over? Yeah that would suck Yeah sure



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User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3389 times:

Wardialer does make one valid point. Our troops are not sufficient trained to deal with these people.

They do a lot of things that we can't comprehend and I think we find it difficult to operate over there. Non of us would attach explosives to ourselves and try and kill as many people as you could. The troops are faced with this sort of threat every day. It is no wonder that some of their actions are controversial.

We need to train our troops better, particularly in the difference between the cultures. The sooner the better if we are to put an end to the conflict.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8374 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

I don't think we're winning it, either. I was watching ABC News late last week, and an "unnamed" GOP Congressman, said he thought we were on the verge of a strategic catastrophe there. So I certainly don't think we're winning.

Some congressmans opinion doesn't determine whether we're winning or losing. Traditional means like number killed/wounded, amount of armor destroyed, amount of land captured, etc determines if we're winning the war. Given those factors, yes we're winning it. It's these last few fanatical idiots running around that we have to take care of and just because we're having a heck of a time doing it doesn't mean we're losing a war.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3306 times:

When the western allies occupied Germany after WWII, they didn´t build concentration camps to torture and kill germans as they would have had following some of the suggestions in this thread; Instead, they demonstrated how to treat people fairly and decently.

It was one of the main reasons why Germany today is free, democratic and civilized. And the respect and admiration for that generation in those countries (USA, Britain, France, ...) is still alive. Barbarism is not stronger than civilization. It´s just the easier way ... to hell.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12894 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3233 times:
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Traditional means like number killed/wounded, amount of armor destroyed, amount of land captured, etc determines if we're winning the war. Given those factors, yes we're winning it.

Do you mean that the count of Iraqi civilians killed far outweighs the US military dead, so you're winning the war?

America and its allies may well have won the war, but they are in grave danger of losing the peace.  Sad



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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11801 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3229 times:

My two biggest problems with this Iraq thing are:

1. They are not a 'Western Christian' based society. The people have a different view of how government should be from Germany, the US, or Russia.

2. Yes, what Saddam was doing to his people was horrible and should be punished but I still need evidence his regime was a threat to other nations and therefore the US never should have invaded.

GO CANUCKS!!



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8374 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

Do you mean that the count of Iraqi civilians killed far outweighs the US military dead, so you're winning the war?

Don't put words in my mouth. I never once mentioned civilians and you know it. If the only way you can find error is to manufacture it, then keep your mouth shut.



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25 Post contains images Iflyatldl : We've got to remember something here, we're dealing with people to whom death means absolutely nothing to them, however humiliation grabs them by the
26 Post contains images Lehpron : >> "You mean if I was living in a pit without any freedoms or human rights and a free, democratic civilization came in to take it over? Yeah that woul
27 Post contains images AvObserver : Wardialer, the tone of your comment echoes that of a number of 'fellow' Americans I've spoken with lately and that makes me very sad. The codes of the
28 JetService : Wardialer, the tone of your comment echoes that of a number of 'fellow' Americans I've spoken with lately and that makes me very sad. Geez, I don't kn
29 Post contains images AvObserver : Unfortunately, JetService, a handful of guys I know, one of them a cousin of mine, one a redneck aquaintance and a couple at work are so gung-ho about
30 TriJetFan1 : We are the western world, we are better than the thugs that run iraq
31 L-188 : Why the US will lose the war on terror..... We won't stoop to the level of the terrorists.
32 Aaron747 : We won't stoop to their level because it would accomplish nothing. We're talking about subhuman thought processes that don't value death, family, love
33 L-188 : Which is why the only choice is to annhilate them.
34 Aaron747 : And how is that done when these fanatics comprise 10% of the world muslim population according to our best estimates?
35 L-188 : Well, the way I would do it would probably tick off at least 80% of the remainder. It would be nice if that 90% would be more vocal opponents of that
36 Aaron747 : It would be nice...but it's not the case. Too many double standards to overcome.
37 Lehpron : >> "They should be treated like animals because these people ARE animals"
38 VC-10 : They should be treated like animals because these people ARE animals That's just the sort of quote Osama want's to hear to increase recruitment
39 L-188 : The problem with appologizing for anything is that the Osama's of the world are going to take it as validation of their stances, and confirmation of o
40 Post contains images Scbriml : Don't put words in my mouth. I never once mentioned civilians and you know it. If the only way you can find error is to manufacture it, then keep your
41 L-188 : Oh, sorry I forgot, Dubya already declared victory, so what exactly is going on now? round two
42 AvObserver : "Why the US will lose the war on terror..... We won't stoop to the level of the terrorists." As I said, L-188, resorting to 'terrorist' tactics agains
43 Airplay : Which is why the only choice is to annhilate them. Very disturbing statement. The US invades a sovreign country that posed no threat to them, makes a
44 RT514 : Which is why the only choice is to annhilate them. A very disturbing statement indeed! I regret to say that it is a sentiment shared by some here in C
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