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The Religion War Is Triggered  
User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3682 posts, RR: 4
Posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1478 times:

Thanks to the genius Mr Bush, a new religion war is triggered.

It began when he talked about making a "crusade", which was very smart.

And now that American people are realizing that even American citizen may die, and even sometimes to an extent that the injuries are lethal (!!) , you see all the extreme right heating up in this forum. And they're not blaming the islamists or the terrorists anymore. No.
Now, the enemy is the muslim.

It means that Bush has won his personal challenge: dividing the world in 2 parts (Bin Laden has the same target), each one based on its religion !!!!  Nuts

It's funny to see how easily Bush lovers jump in the trap. Now I'm scared.

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User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

Oh yeah this is Bush's fault, this has nothing to do with radical Islamism.

Well thought out post.




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User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1455 times:

Not just muslims, anyone with tan skin.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1445 times:

I don't agree with everything Seb said, James, but I do believe that Bush and his advisors had not clue what they were getting us into when we invaded Iraq 14 months ago. I really don't.

I honestly believe Bush, et al, thought we'd be out of there by last June, what with that high-profile stunt on the carrier, and the sign "Mission Accomplished". I don't think they had an exit strategy on this war, becuase they honestly (and foolishly) thought we'd be welecomed as liberators by everyone, and could get out of there with no problems.

Now, the chicken has come home to roost. Bush is NOT responsible for the prison scandal, nor is he responsible for this barbaric behading. But his action, in starting this conflict, have set in motion these events, and that cannot be denied.


User currently offlineIakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3316 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1428 times:

Sebolino,

Yes, they named it a "crusade" in order to rally the other knights and re-enact middle age events. "War on terror" is also carefully chosen, so that many can only agree in the trail of 9-11 and the target remains unspecified.
I dont think it is all the fault of the group that leads in the US, but they definitely and terribly unfortunately decided the course of events that followed.
They succeeded in drawing all in black and white ("if you are not with us they are against us"), good/bad, evil/angels, guardians of the world order/terrorists, crusaders/muslims.
What about people who do not wish to fall in the preset categories ?


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1382 times:

Just wait until the invasion of North Korea. Then it will be 'Marxist fundamentalists'. Then the Chinese will get in the way, so it will be 'Communist Fundamentalists' The cycle will go on until basically everybody who isn't American or Israeli is a 'fundamentalist'! And yet basically the 2 countries responsible for killing more civilians than anyone else are Israel and the USA. Wonder who the real fundamentalists are.....

[Edited 2004-05-12 18:52:04]


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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3410 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1371 times:

Just wait until the invasion of North Korea. Then it will be 'Marxist fundamentalists'. The the Chinese will get in the way, so it will be 'Communist Fundamentalists' The cycle will go on until basically everybody who isn't American or Israeli is a 'fundamentalist'! And yet basically the 2 countries responsible for killing more civilians than anyone else are Israel and the USA. Wonder who the real fundamentalists are.....

If Bush and company even tried to invade Canada Iraq would seem like a walk in the park (We would get taken over but not easily. Can't wait till America runs out of water Big grin). We're 1-0 against the US anyway. Big grin



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User currently offlineBGR1962 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1340 times:

Unlike the French who roll over when ever attacked and then beg for help from people they despise. We don't roll over and beg for mercy from those who try to kill us, we get even.

The world is a fu%king mess and has been since before the U.S. ever had the power to influence anything.

When and if there is a religion war remember what happened on 9-11 and who flew the planes. I don't recall any members of the Christian faith murdering thousands that day.

I also wonder why when we do error almost all of faiths here tend make their voices heard, from Evangelical Christians to Catholics to Jews and American Muslims. And yet the out cry from the Arab Muslim world has been incredibly muted no matter what happens against an American or for that matter a member of sect different from their own.






User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1323 times:

And yet basically the 2 countries responsible for killing more civilians than anyone else are Israel and the USA. Wonder who the real fundamentalists are.....

I seem to recall a British Army in Iraq also. What does Israel have to do with any of this? They are protecting their country from terrorists on a daily basis, not 12 year old kids throwing rocks at IDF tanks that you see on BBC.

If Bush and company even tried to invade Canada Iraq would seem like a walk in the park (We would get taken over but not easily. Can't wait till America runs out of water ). We're 1-0 against the US anyway.

Yeah, we could take them.  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1321 times:

Ehhhh, the United States is root of all evil in the world. Ehhhh, George W. Bush is a idiot. Ehhhh, America not tolerant. Sometimes I wonder why we even liberated the French from the Nazis in the first place. I mean, couldn't there have been a better solution than keeping France a country? I mean couldn't we have ceded southern France to Spain and northern France to Holland and Belgium?

Seriously though, the French come off as the most ungrateful people in the history of the world.




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User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1309 times:

Seriously though, the French come off as the most ungrateful people in the history of the world.

Not to mention French-Canadians.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1306 times:

Jutes,

At least the Montreal Canadians are out of the playoffs  Big thumbs up

Seriously, this is the stupidest thread I've seen in a long time.



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User currently offlinePendrilsaint From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1295 times:

Lol, yes, every muslim is an enemy of America now. Nevermind that Bush clearly stated that not all Muslims are our enemy or are evil. It is you Sebolino who are seeing things in black and white. America is evil because "insert theory here." We see it every post you make, criticizing everything America does. Do you honestly believe that every American thinks Muslims are the enemy? Crusade was simply a bad choice of words on a speech writer's part. Furthermore, we were attempting to liberate Muslims from a 'socialist' regime. Don't forget that the Ba'ath were originally opposed to the Islamic Nationalists of older days. It was only during the Iran-Iraq war that Hussein took on his pious Muslim stance to gain support from the rest of the Islamic world. (He obviously had no idea what he was doing with Islam, one report states that he had a Qu'ran copied in blood-a clear offense to the sacred nature of the text). Hussein was basically anti-Islamic. Now, we liberate these people and a small group of radical Shi'ites hide behind a veil of piousness in an attempt to draw support so that they can run the country under Shi'ite rule (just like Iran, you know how well the government in Iran is liked right Sebolino?) Americans know that the average Iraqi people on the street are not the radicals, and most Americans, that I have judged from in talks, want to genuinely help these people. We don't need someone from another country to remind us that the citizens of the world can not be divided into black and white. But organizations can: Al-Qaeda is evil, Islamic violent fundamentalism is evil, terrorism in general is evil.

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

Seriously though, the French come off as the most ungrateful people in the history of the world.

When Paris was freed from the Nazis, the people were out in the streets praising our troops. The next day some of the same people were spitting on our troops.

I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me. -General George S. Patton Jr.



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

Seriously though, the French come off as the most ungrateful people in the history of the world.

And the Americans come across as the most arrogant, and stupid.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13752 posts, RR: 61
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1265 times:
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And the Americans come across as the most arrogant, and stupid.

Not all Americans should be thought of in that way, much like we don't think of all Brits as argumentative blowhards just because you happen to be one, 777236ER.

I'm surprised you'd dare to paint a whole country with such broad strokes.



[Edited 2004-05-12 21:26:51]


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User currently offlinePhxairfan From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 811 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1259 times:

We learned well didn't we, we had great teachers. Lets remember where the majority of Americans came from. Hint Hint England.

Seriously I think this topic is ridiculous. The general population of America has no interest in holy war. There is no way that the United States would ever do this because no matter what religious group we would go after, MILLIONS of them are U.S Citizens! I'd also like to add that I have nothing against Britain or France, I was just responding to the previous comment.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1241 times:

Not all Americans should be thought of in that way, much like we don't think of all Brits as argumentative blowhards just because you happen to be one, 777236ER.

I'm surprised you'd dare to paint a whole country with such broad strokes.


I don't - that was my point. I think a lot of Americans are intelligent.

If you don't want your entire country stereotyped, why don't you stop such comments as, 'the French come off as the most ungrateful people in the history of the world'.


User currently offlineMoolies From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1241 times:

I love it when the french make comments. Lets see some one flying a plane into the Eifel Tower, or smash the Champs Elysees or fly a 767 into the Lourve, then lets see what you do.

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

Lets see some one flying a plane into the Eifel Tower, or smash the Champs Elysees or fly a 767 into the Lourve, then lets see what you do.

Let's not forget Islamic terrorists tried to crash an Air France Airbus into the Eifel Tower, but the French stopped them.

But of course, you knew that, right?

And of course you knew that Saddam Hussein had nothign to do with September 11th 2001, right?

[Edited 2004-05-12 21:54:55]

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13752 posts, RR: 61
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1223 times:
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If you don't want your entire country stereotyped, why don't you stop such comments as, 'the French come off as the most ungrateful people in the history of the world'.

And just how do you propose I stop someone else from exercising their right to free speech? Lop their head off, like those idiots did the other day?

That was his opinion and he's entitled to it, just like you're entitled to your opinions.

It doesn't mean either is actually right, though.






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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1215 times:

And just how do you propose I stop someone else from exercising their right to free speech? Lop their head off, like those idiots did the other day?

That was his opinion and he's entitled to it, just like you're entitled to your opinions.

It doesn't mean either is actually right, though.


But my point is, if you don't want people stereotyping your country, you could at least complain when Americans stereotype other countries.


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1215 times:

The cycle will go on until basically everybody who isn't American or Israeli is a 'fundamentalist'! And yet basically the 2 countries responsible for killing more civilians than anyone else are Israel and the USA. Wonder who the real fundamentalists are.....

Very true point. The funny thing that lately in Europe more and more people are beginning to share that view. I wonder way? One would have to be naive to put it down to ignorance, which is always the reason given.



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User currently offlineSolarix From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1206 times:

Sebolino,
No you are wrong. It was triggered when Islamic terrorists flew passenger planes into the World Trade Centre. These are the people who keep screaming "jihad". This happened way before the whole Iraqi adventure.

Why do you post so much anti-American rubbish on this forum? That is all I ever see you post. Care to explain why you hate Americans so much?


User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1208 times:

>>>It began when he talked about making a "crusade", which was very smart.<<<

I find this post ironic in that France has enacted the Islamic headscarf ban not to mention promoting style French Islam. How do you reconcile these remarks from what your government promotes?



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25 Moolies : here goes 777236ER again. Why dont you just refrain from saying anything at all?
26 Vanessa : Sebolino, This is sad, but true. I hope the Wise American people will think twice before voting to GWB next time. ( I know nothing about Kerry's inten
27 Post contains images EA CO AS : The ME is in the intensive care now, on mechanical ventilation, tubes, lines, and syringe pumps are everywhere , the patient is very sick, and he is e
28 777236ER : here goes 777236ER again. Why dont you just refrain from saying anything at all? Did you know about the terrorist plan to fly a plane into the Eifel t
29 Klaus : Vanessa, I think your image is a pretty good description of the situation.
30 Moolies : I have noticed one thing, every great man in ther eday has been eather a terrorist or a horrible person or bad or a criminal and later in life history
31 Vanessa : EA CO AS I don't criticize, I describe the situation. Anybody who diagnoses well the disease can treat well the patient. Just don't treat the patient
32 Jamesag96 : Hey Van...how about making some sense and answering the question posed to you. Avoid the metahors. By the way how much money has the US govt. made on
33 Vanessa : Jamesag96, I have no idea about the pure income. Do you think that anybody will publish it? As for answering, I thought that I made it clear in my pre
34 EA CO AS : Change the surgeon, and use a new medication (preferably made by the UN). Since you're only able to talk in cute metaphors, let's expand on this. You
35 Vanessa : EACO AS To answer you, I need to know your answer to this: Do you still think that the American presence in Iraq is still profitable to both sides?
36 MaverickM11 : "Change the surgeon, and use a new medication (preferably made by the UN). " Are we talking about the same UN that took billions in kickbacks in the o
37 EA CO AS : Vanessa - Are you incapable of presenting me with your opinions? Don't answer a question with a question. Tell me what you think. Besides, I fail to s
38 Jamesag96 : She can not which is why she does not. I'll pose the question for anyone out there, how much money has been made and by whom from the sale of Iraqi oi
39 Vanessa : EA CO AS, Reading your "anamnesis" on this forum doesn't make me very willing to answer you. You are used to manipulate member's answers and at the en
40 Post contains links Jamesag96 : Here is an interesting read that may answer that question... http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N03692099.htm J
41 MaverickM11 : "I'll pose the question for anyone out there, how much money has been made and by whom from the sale of Iraqi oil?" Good question, but you have to the
42 Rjpieces : And the Americans come across as the most arrogant, and stupid. Must be a reason we are the most powerful country on the Earth, more powerful then the
43 STT757 : "And yet basically the 2 countries responsible for killing more civilians than anyone else are Israel and the USA" There's 300,000 mass graves in Iraq
44 STT757 : "Thanks to the genius Mr Bush, a new religion war is triggered." Must have been when he ordered US Special Forces to hijack Arab Airliners in flight,
45 Matt D : Anyone else besides me think that WWIII is in progress now as we speak?
46 EA CO AS : Anyone else besides me think that WWIII is in progress now as we speak? While most people thought Bill O'Reilly was nuts when he said the war on terro
47 Aaron747 : THEY started it when they started blaming us for their bullshit. Let's get that out of the way first and foremost. We don't favor Israel out of some J
48 MD-90 : I'm not sure if this is World War III. Maybe, but it just doesn't seem dire enough...yet... And if this is a war of religion, it's a war of one religi
49 Aaron747 : Perhaps not, but it most definitely is the "clash of civilizations" Samuel Huntington warned us of almost a decade ago.
50 MD-90 : Actually, Pat Buchanan has some fairly insightful things to say about it. What should Bush do now? He should declare that the United States has no int
51 Aaron747 : Bravo Deep Thr...I mean Pat.
52 Damirc : And the Americans come across as the most arrogant, and stupid. Which was replied with ... Must be a reason we are the most powerful country on the Ea
53 Iakobos : From '89 till this date, the US is the only "super" power on the global scene. Previously, most if not all actions were part of the game of balancing
54 Sebolino : Lol, yes, every muslim is an enemy of America now. Nevermind that Bush clearly stated that not all Muslims are our enemy or are evil. It is you Seboli
55 Horus : I don't understand why it always finish by a "France is ungrateful bla bla bla ..." I don't think its anything against France, but simply France got i
56 Iakobos : Thanks Horus, I must tell you I am somehow disappointed that I get no reactions to my kind of posts, especially from some open-minded, charming and he
57 777236ER : The Iraqi peoples should then be told that U.S. soldiers are not going to fight and die indefinitely for their freedom. If they do not want to be rule
58 MaverickM11 : "Question: let's assume for a second that the oil reserves in the Gulf region had dried up in 1989, would the events of the last 10-11 years have happ
59 Post contains images EA CO AS : What am I doing wrong to get nothing in reply/retaliation/counter-attack/payback ? Is that your intended goal here? Starting arguments? Perhaps you sh
60 Iakobos : OK MaverickM11, I will take the liberty to rephrase you: "the Middle East would be poorer, with higher unemployment , and Uncle Sam (and many others)
61 MaverickM11 : "After all, they are the good guys, it is all the fault of bad religion, its leaders, its fundamentalist followers, their corrupt sheiks and warlords,
62 FDXmech : >>>Leave those people live their life like they wish. That's it !
63 MaverickM11 : "Have you ever met a Muslim cleric in your life ? for your information, their job is to preach religion, the huge majority of them do just that. "' Of
64 Iakobos : EA CO AS, Thanks for your reaction, I feel better. I thought this forum was filled with people argumenting, that is what I read at least. MaverickM11,
65 STT757 : For the War on Terror to be considered a "World War" it would need to get alot hotter, folks it looks bad but 700 Soldiers killed in a year in Iraq an
66 MaverickM11 : "MaverickM11, Whatever they are, they are. It is their story, do not make it yours. You said it: "it's fine with me", well let that be." They've made
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