Worldoftui From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3493 times:
Inevitable. Yes. This is called progress.
Will it go through - who knows - down to the couple.
Will there be a last-minute injunction / interruption of some sort? I am sure that someone will try to stop it with some legal fancywork.
Where is this legal marriage taking place? Guessing California.
B757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 24 Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3457 times:
It isn't legal in the United States, it is "legal" in a state where judges have violated the U.S. Constitution and usurped the power of the legislature and the people. The judiciary does not have any authority to order the state legislature to go out and pass a law. This is a clear breach of the Constitution's clause that guarantees every state a republican form of government.
Expect this to end up in a 5 or so years before the Supreme Court. Before that, it will be bogged down in the lower courts. Eventually, enough of the people will force the government to pass a Constitutional Amendment to end the stupidity. There are already more than enough states to pass a Constitutional Amendment so all it will take is removing a few morons from the Senate.
AvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2445 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3446 times:
The brilliant satire of this 'document' (thanks, ConcordeBoy) really says it all about the current oppressiveness in much of the country in the name of religion. How does letting homosexuals marry hurt you and me? They're going to be together, anyway. Do the religious 'Nazis' prefer that they live together in sin? Funny, they seem to have a problem with that concept when straight people do it. What the hell is going on in the 21st century that we still have so many people clinging to Old Worldesque views? How can people in government (Mr. Bush!) be moving to impose a ban on same-sex marriages. That's BLATANT discrimination, an area I'd thought the U.S. had been moving away from for many years. We freed the slaves, gave women the vote and have largely (but not entirely) quelled socio-economic discrimination against minority groups but the President, backed by religious right ninkompoops like the Christian Coalition, doesn't want to allow loving couples James and Todd or Laura and Penny to tie the knot? Why, because the Christian Bible says homosexuality is a sin? WHAT PLACE does Biblical doctrine have in setting U.S. laws? This is America, where separation of church and state IS the law! I made my share of 'fag' jokes when I was younger but I'm not proud of them, now. I sincerely hope this progressive milestone is allowed to proceed; there's no sound reason to deny any couple living in this land the right to wedded bliss, regardless of sexual orientation. They need to get the ball rolling in the more liberal states and gain momentum, even so, it'll take years, if ever, to get it done in the Midwest and Deep South, the so-called, 'Bible' belts. Too bad so many of those folk can't grasp the simple concept that it's wrong to impose THEIR views on everyone else. This is SUPPOSED to a be a free country!
CPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5864 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3431 times:
a lot of gay people have denounced that couple - especially since it's obvious that at least one of them have some serious issues to deal with.
There are already more than enough states to pass a Constitutional Amendment so all it will take is removing a few morons from the Senate.
ala Wellstone, or? - I personally can't see why people are bent over backwards aghast of gay marriages. I know some gay people, and they aren't really different than me, apart from their partners sex. And for those who scream about gay marriages not being in the bible, that darn thing also have some fun stuff that most people would like to forget.
AvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2445 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3402 times:
The point, Indianguy, is that in the U.S., in theory, anyway, people are supposed to have equal rights, as declared in documents like The Constitution and The Emancipation Proclamation. We're hardly there, yet, but we've made a lot of progress. This is just another roadblock in the way of that ideal. In principle, we're NOT supposed to be discriminating in this country, though it still goes on. Now, let me ask you: Why should gays NOT get married, hmm?
Aaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7891 posts, RR: 27 Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3366 times:
And we're supposed to alter our lives to kowtow to their absurdly distorted views of morality and beg forgiveness? F*ck them. And anyone in India who has a problem with freedom too.
Thank god we're moving past state-sanctioned discrimination and left public lynchings, stonings and executions to the wolves long ago. The people still practicing those things around the world today are just that - animals. Cultural relativism - kiss my American you-know-what.
[Edited 2004-05-14 05:25:26]
If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3360 times:
"For anybody wondering why the Islamic world has the view that the US is full of godless heathens and debauchers, May I suggest that this may be part of the reason."
Actually being queer is the least of it.
So-called "hetero excess" like parading around in micro mini skirts (that I'm sure youre hypocritical ass JUST loves !), eating pork products, guzzling beer at bars until you can barely drag your butt in an SUV home are the primary reasons.
Besides, why should I give any credence to the views of some bigoted mullah if I don't care about the views of some a.net right wing Christian loser?
Maybe you ought to consider that you have more in common with some crazy prehistoric ignorant mullah than you care to consider.
CPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4761 posts, RR: 25 Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3342 times:
#3 Obviously gay parents will raise gay children because straight parents only raise straight children.
Thats the funniest thing I have heard in a while I'll need to have a word with mom and dad, after them putting a front up for the past 23 years when in truth I came out of the homo baby factory.
Galaxy5, I hope you aren't serious. A 32 year old and 17 year old in a sexual relationship is illegal here - I hope it is in the states too. That is disgusting.
People in Canada are pretty much over it, both proponents and opponents. Even the rad-righters aren't putting much effort in anymore. However, in the states unfortunatley it looks like it will be a battle.
Besides, why should I give any credence to the views of some bigoted mullah if I don't care about the views of some a.net right wing Christian loser?
Sean1234 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 411 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 3248 times:
If now gays are allowed to marry, can someone tell me why I can't marry 2 women? The law now permits gays to marry and to continue in this tradition of equal protection under the law; I see reason why we can't join together in union. We all love each other, work normal jobs and want to raise a normal family. Why can't we? Not every principle in the constitution is absolute. I look forward to your comments.
Seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 10720 posts, RR: 16 Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 3233 times:
Sean1234: The majority of us still believe in sharing our life with only one person whether it be someone of the same gender or opposite gender. I know I am still in love with two of my ex's yet I am with someone else, but I would only want to be with one person. Funny how the heart works.
As far as I know, the liscences that were issued in Multnomah County (Portland, OR) to gays are still as valid as ones issued to heteros. The only difference is, very few churches will perform the ceremony.
All this fuss over a piece of paper. Geez....
Life in the wall is a drag.
25 Ushermittwoch: I am glad to see that L-188 shows some insight again. I wonder why the countries that ALLOW people to freely choose the ONE person they love and want
26 Ushermittwoch: I like this one best: Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people makes you tall.
27 MaverickM11: "If now gays are allowed to marry, can someone tell me why I can't marry 2 women? " I've wondered that but then again, would it really affect anyone i
28 Jaysit: ""If now gays are allowed to marry, can someone tell me why I can't marry 2 women?" That is not the point here. The right here isnt the one to marry m
29 Ushermittwoch: As long as all three people do it voluntarily and all get the same legal rights, then it's no big deal. I think the problems that marriages with more
30 Sean1234: BTW I was speaking in the hypothetical. I am not necessarily for or against this gay marriage issue. What I'm saying is that eqaul treatment under the
31 Jaysit: But what is the equality principle in a bigamy scenario? Equal with what? There has to be a prior existing equality baseline with which to make a comp
32 Yul2010: I don't know if I'll ever marry my partner. I guess it's because I'm still a bit traditional on the idea that marriage is between a man and a woman. H
33 ConcordeBoy: I wish one day it will be the same for homophobes. They already have to, in terms of professional/political standing. Socially, however, openly blatan
34 Sean1234: Jaysit- Bigamy I believe is typically associated with deception and circumventing the law, and is not what I was implying. The principal argument in t
35 MD-90: Sean, if it's fine for gays to marry (and cripes, 14 year olds in Alabama can marry!), why can't you have two women? Makes as much sense, if not more,
36 Jaysit: "Accordingly the right to marry with straight traditional couples should be permitted to gay couples, but not to whom?" huh? If youre implying that ga
37 Johnboy: Although a majority of the states *might* pass the Constitutional Amendment, (I'm still not sure about that one, times will change), the Congress of t
38 F9Widebody: Hate to stir up the pot here, but why should gays be able to get "married?" The definition of marriage is the Legal Union between a man and a woman. I
39 Ushermittwoch: I like that "garriages" idea. Pretty funny. The problem is though, that your country claims to have equal rights for everybody (more like every citize
40 LH423: On an interesting note: I saw a Dutch passport yesterday and for those familiar with European passports, in many countries the passport will either fe
41 Flyboy36y: Okay, Let me say this again.... not allowing same-sex ,marraige is not the same as not allowing homosexuals to marry, therefore it is NOT a violation
42 Rev3oh2: Usher....The question of equal right is a good one. And one reason that a large part of the argument against the "right" to gay marriage comes from wi
43 Ushermittwoch: Well if the pursuit of happiness is obstructed through not being able to get married, I would say it's a different picture, eh?
44 MD-90: Well, my pursuit of happiness is obstructed because I can't be married to two women at once. Twice the sexy women, and they can talk to each other so
45 Rev3oh2: Well if the pursuit of happiness is obstructed through not being able to get married, I would say it's a different picture, eh? Sure, but those who ta
46 Johnboy: "But even if same-sex marriage is given approval in some states, the church is still under no obligation to give its approval to such unions. Not that
47 LH423: Tonight at 0001 Eastern Time, the City of Cambridge, Masschusetts will begin issuing marriage licences to same-sex couples. I will be there to witness
48 ScottysAir: I don't think about any kind of the problems with Gays marriages and it not have real world either.
49 ConcordeBoy: ...so it has begun. The media is being incredibly quiet about this-- both Conservative and Liberal alike. Only small mentions. Somewhat surprising.
50 MaverickM11: "The media is being incredibly quiet about this-- both Conservative and Liberal alike. Only small mentions. Somewhat surprising." Not only the media,
51 ConcordeBoy: Hmm, well, this just came through: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120088,00.html
52 MaverickM11: Look at all those evil, depraved people: the very picture of moral mass destruction.
53 Jaysit: "Look at all those evil, depraved people: the very picture of moral mass destruction." Yes, I can feel America crumbling underneath my very feet. Its
54 VSLover: you know, as a gay man, even i dont really ever want to be married. i dont understand why really, and its not just me, its many other friends of mine
55 Mikesairways: Does that mean if I marry my boyfriend, I can divore him in a year or so and be entitled to 1/2 his assets because California is a community property
56 Johnboy: Nothing that gives special rights to gays in divorce cases as far as I know. What goes for one, goes for the other.
57 WidgetBoi: Tonight at 0001 Eastern Time, the City of Cambridge, Masschusetts will begin issuing marriage licences to same-sex couples. I will be there to witnes
58 Worldoftui: I personally have friends that couldn't commit to a house plant let alone a partner. That is so true! LOL Mark PS And the house plant ends up witheri
59 WidgetBoi: And the house plant ends up withering and dying! Isn't that house plants are supposed to do? jeremy
60 AvObserver: "Look at all those evil, depraved people: the very picture of moral mass destruction." MaverickM11, what EXACTLY makes these people evil and/or deprav
61 AGrayson514: What scares me is the idea that if it is made illegal, some think that all of the weddings preformed thus far will be legally annulled. That would be
62 LH423: Well...today the sun was shining, the birds were singing, no buildings collapsed, civilization did not end, and everything is as it was 24 hours ago.
63 RockyRacoon: Congragulations to all who will be able to advantage of this. Seems like a no brainer issue to me. Hopefully this amendment won't pick up steam, why a
64 An-225: Once again, I don't really understand why we can't climb over a curb that is 3 millimiters high... They want to marry - more power to them. Also, if a
65 AGrayson514: LH423: I see that you are from Canada. What are the laws regarding this for our progressive neighbor to the north? I have never really understood the
66 ConcordeBoy: If the general population vote for it "if"......?!
67 LH423: Yes, "if". The issue is very near 50/50. Depending on the survey you reference, the majority is either for or against it, so there's no real way of de
68 ConcordeBoy: think that as people realize that gay marriage will not make a mockery of marriage, more people riding the fence on the issue will realize that it's
69 Superfly: ConcordeBoy: Do you have a man picked out?
70 ConcordeBoy: Yeah... but I gotta wait until the bigamy laws (ya know, the ones uberconservatives are sure will arise by next week) take effect, if ya catch my drif
71 Vikkyvik: This is one of those times when I am extremely proud of and proud to be from Massachusetts. Hopefully that constitutional amendment won't pass, but if
72 Superfly: ConcordeBoy: Let me guess, you wan to have multiple husbands?
73 Travelin man: LOL. Conservatives make me laugh. I guess in order for gays to uphold the "sanctity" of marriage, we'll have to start getting divorced at a 50% rate l
74 ConcordeBoy: Superfly... you know better than that! ...now, just picture me on the other side of that "altar"
75 ClassicLover: Congrats to Massachusetts for keeping it real. Now all we need to do is get Australia into the act! They only just reduced the age of consent for male
76 WidgetBoi: People think I'm strange to be in it for love rather than sex. I can't think of a better reason to "be in it" than love jeremy P.S. I think you've mad