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User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

BAGHDAD - U.S. forces in Iraq said on Monday they had found a bomb loaded with the nerve agent sarin gas.


Article from the CBC, one of the most anti-American news agencies on the face of the earth;

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/05/17/world/iraq_gas040517


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1601 times:

Nice,

Any of the no WMD people wish to comment?




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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1587 times:

Yes, it was probably brought in from outside Iraq, L-188, by the terrorists that we allowed in after our invasion.

If this is your "smoking gun", to justify the war, L-188, forget it. Too little, way too late. There is not pile of WMD that was being hidden. The war was fought over a lie.


User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1585 times:

More than likely, this article will be buried to never see the light of day; Like the story of the Marine winning the Navy Cross, or the story about how troops who crossed the Euphrates river during the "combat operations phase" of the war found traces of nerve and chemical agents diluted in the water, meaning that they were being dumped into the water upstream..... it just won't get entered into the public conciousness.


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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1585 times:

Any of the no WMD people wish to comment?

I'll save them the trouble.

"It was old and left over from the Iran-Iraq War"

"It was just one shell, it doesn't mean Saddam had WMD's."

"It was produced by the 'glorious freedom fighters' to help defeat the infidels."

"It was planted by George Bush, the Mossad, and the CIA."

[Edited 2004-05-17 17:04:13]


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User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1583 times:

Yes, it was probably brought in from outside Iraq, L-188, by the terrorists that we allowed in after our invasion.

If that's the case, it's probably from Syria - where the expatriate Iraqi chemical weapon program is rumoured to be in full swing again......



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User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

A old shell? Give me a break. There could be the same thing the US sold Iraq during the Iraq-Iran conflict. BTW: Nerve agents do not last for 12 years or more.It was most likely from some old storage locker back in the days.

[Edited 2004-05-17 17:04:31]


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User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1580 times:

noone doubted that saddams regime did posses old wmd. be it a fridge of tubes with whatever stuff or a bunch of rusty warheads.

the point has always been that there is no imminent threat from iraq and the situation that would evolve, as correctly stated by the "anti war pussies", would be far worse then saddams not ready to use and old wanna be wmd that were buried somewhere.
nerve agents etc "max not safe to drink after a few years, but hardly a weapon anymore" to quote those unmovic bastards who were against the war anyway.
so yeah saddam didnt have WMD, only leftovers of WMD that were a) not usable anymore b) not a threat

i have yet to see proof that this is not the case. this shell changes nothing in regard to the validity of aboves train of thought. it must be hard to realize that the stupid tree huggers were right about the war  Smile



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

So now, Goose, L-188 and Mr. NeoNut are going to justify the entire war, billions of dollars and 800 American dead, on 1 shell?

How the mighty have fallen into desperation. If one shell is the best we can do, in over a year of searching, I can see where that one shell that has a limited dispersal range, was a clear and present danger, that triggered a war like this.

You guys are shameless.


User currently offlineCambrian From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 619 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

Any of the no WMD people wish to comment?

Yes, thanks for the kind offer.

We went to war in the UK on the pretense that we could have been attacked within 45 minutes.

The coalition have had the run of Iraq for more than a year. Nothing has been found- we were sold a pup.

This does not represent the finding of the stockpiles of WMD that we were promised. It could even originate from outside Iraq, or more likely, be a remnant from the Iran/ Iraq war- remind yourselves who sold these chemicals to Iraq in the first place.

We are all living in an Orwellian nightmare.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

If it were in fact a recently produced grenade, we´ll hear about it very soon.

But if that´s the case, why was there only a "minor amount" of the toxic agent?

I don´t know more about it, yet, but I´m really interested in these questions...


User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1518 times:

So now, Goose, L-188 and Mr. NeoNut are going to justify the entire war, billions of dollars and 800 American dead, on 1 shell?

I'm curious to know how much nerve agent in the hands of a murderous regime is acceptable for the international community, or, for you. I'm simply curious.... 1 shell? 10? 1000?

And just for reference, here's the Center for Disease Control page on Sarin;

http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/sarin/basics/facts.asp



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

FoxNews is reporting that now a 2nd Sarin bomb has been found in Iraq  Wow!



User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1498 times:

No one knows as yet whether they're geniune WMD that actually threatened the US, UK and their allies...or whether they were Iran-Iraq left overs. So shut up for a bit.

User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1494 times:

I've heard that its relatively easy to make Ricin or Sarin if you know how, is that correct?


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User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

FoxNews is reporting that now a 2nd Sarin bomb has been found in Iraq

Hrm, I'd take that with a grain of salt, considering the source.....


I've heard that its relatively easy to make Ricin or Sarin if you know how, is that correct?

No, it's not easy.

Is sarin easy to make?
No. It’s complicated and dangerous to produce. Although sarin can be made with publicly available chemicals, a sophisticated lab is needed to make sarin that is pure and long lasting. Sarin can also be made by mixing together relatively harmless chemicals before use—but it’s an extremely dangerous process with unpredictable results.


From http://cfrterrorism.org/weapons/sarin.html



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

Actually, now the 2nd device is said to be Mustard Gas

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html


User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2728 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1467 times:

Seems Al Zaqawi (sp?) didn't come empty handed then...

This is irony at it's best:
Apparently there are now more WMD in Iraq then before the war...


User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1437 times:

Actually, now the 2nd device is said to be Mustard Gas

I'd still be a little wary until someone else reports it, again, considering the source.... but I have a feeling that it might not be, considering the implication to folks perpetuating the anti-war sentiment.


Apparently there are now more WMD in Iraq then before the war...

True, based on the UN's inability to find any - despite having a very narrow field of view and being hindered by the then-Iraqi government in its efforts to find evidence of WMD. The Iraqis were less than forthcoming in trying to disprove that they had any.... *shrug*



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLE that the entire USA media (except of course FoxNews) are completely ignoring this ground-breaking scoop!  Pissed

Of all sources, the BBC is the only other to mention it  Wow!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3722255.stm


User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1414 times:

Ricin, Sarin, Mustard ... It doesn't matter. 70% of you will manifest some Clinton connection on this, just like everything else.


WMD = Weak Mediocre Distractions



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1414 times:

What, even the uberliberal Communist BBC?!

This ISN'T a group-breaking scoop! A shell left over from the Iran-Iraq war does NOT MAKE IRAQ an imminent threat to the US and UK. Sorry.


User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1413 times:

Of all sources, the BBC is the only other to mention it

The CBC was the original source for the link I posted this morning.

And the BBC article sort of poo-pooed the find as insignificant; they also said it was the first evidence of WMDs in Iraq found since the war started over a year ago, which it isn't. *shrug*



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User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLE that the entire USA media (except of course FoxNews) are completely ignoring this ground-breaking scoop!

Umm... it's easy to make claims when you TOTALLY IGNORE things.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4997808/

A roadside bomb containing deadly sarin nerve agent exploded near a U.S. military convoy, the U.S. military said Monday. It was believed to be the first confirmed discovery of any of the banned weapons that the United States cited in making its case for the Iraq war.

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20040517_1180.html

Are these part of the USA media?  Confused


User currently offlinePU151 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1400 times:

ConcordeBoy, I was about to make the same remark. I've checked most (not all) American media, and my feeling, based on what I read, is that basically the test that came positive was a field test, and therefore not 100% fullproof, so they want to cover themselves in case this comes up negative.

PS: Almost unbelievable but true... CNN Int'l is mentioning it on its front page (http://edition.cnn.com), and CNN US isn't lol (http://us.cnn.com).

Edit: I think that ConcordeBoy meant that the story was not THE cover story (at least that's my case).

[Edited 2004-05-17 22:27:42]

Second Edit: typo.

[Edited 2004-05-17 22:28:55]

25 Keesje : ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLE that the entire USA media (except of course FoxNews) are completely ignoring this ground-breaking scoop! The media are very mu
26 Post contains links WellHung : I think that ConcordeBoy meant that the story was not THE cover story (at least that's my case). "Completely ignoring" means they haven't reported it
27 PU151 : What, of mine? Sure, if you want so... I was just trying to understand what ConcordeBoy said, but, again, I don't like to speak for others, so you're
28 Mrniji : You guys are shameless. I agree, these propaganda attempts here... I always notice with surprise (and relieve) that from Britain virtually no one just
29 WellHung : No, not yours. I can only speak for my interpretation, but it's pretty obvious what "completely ignore" means. But you're right that most have the mur
30 Post contains links NoUFO : This photo shows an U.S. soldier (without NBC protection) after the grenade exploded. Red smoke warns passer-biers of the nerve gas. Click me gently
31 PU151 : NoUFO, no bitch-question intended, but are you sure you got the right picture? Because the same pic is on Foxnews.com's cover branded as: "Red smoke b
32 NoUFO : Don't know. I merely cited the source I have linked to since the subtitle is in German language. Either FAZ, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung - a conser
33 Mrniji : Either FAZ, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung - a conservative, reliable newspaper, or Fox provided a wrong image Definitely not FAZ. It is not my choice
34 PU151 : Agreed, I definitely don't take Foxnews as a 100% true source, but as NoUFO pointed out, that soldier doesn't have an NBC (ironical name in our case,
35 N79969 : I do not think that this will be the last unconventional weapon used. Saddam was hiding (or pretending to) something for 12+ years and impoverished hi
36 Post contains images JAL777 : Wow... and old can of nerve gas. Woop-dee-fucking-doo.
37 Post contains links Pelican : I don't want to judge the explosion of the Sarin bomb- it's too early... But I have to say that Mustard Gas isn't a real wmd, though it's a chemical w
38 NoUFO : but as NoUFO pointed out, that soldier doesn't have an NBC (ironical name in our case, isn't it?) protection on him. *LOL* Yeah, well seriously: Thank
39 Goose : But I have to say that Mustard Gas isn't a real wmd, though it's a chemical weapon. I don't understand how you could classify it as not being a "real"
40 Pelican : Exposure to sulfur mustard is usually not fatal. When sulfur mustard was used during World War I, it killed fewer than 5% of the people who were expos
41 Goose : WMD's like the nerve agents VX, Sarin (GB), Tabun (GA), Soman (GD) will kill the nearly everybody who had contact with them (unless quick countermeasu
42 Pelican : I didn't want to deny that mustard gas is a dangerous weapon which can kill. But a M-16 used by a US-marine is also a harmful weapon, though it isn't
43 Alpha 1 : ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLE that the entire USA media (except of course FoxNews) are completely ignoring this ground-breaking scoop! All that cussing, Con
44 L-188 : Actually I am pretty appalled by the lack of coverage too. Shows the liberal media bias that democrates claim doesn't exist. Hell even Canadian news c
45 Post contains images QIguy24 : LOL!!!! uhhhh...... What an accomplishment. Hip hop hooray!! You probably can't use that shit anyway. half a year ago the danish and the german soldie
46 Goose : It's one weapon. Again, if you justify the war over this one weapon, then God help this nation. Uhm, again, I'm just curious as to how much nerve agen
47 NoUFO : Goose, give it up. You're turning into just another "His master's voice" advocate. Although I opposed this war, I was convinced the allied troops woul
48 STT757 : To build upon what's known.. Apparently the person who rigged the Sarin/nerve gas IED did not know what it was, they thought it was an ordinary artile
49 Sebolino : Nice, Any of the no WMD people wish to comment? Sure: You were right, after 1 year they found a single bomb, while the country is full of terrorists f
50 Goose : Goose, give it up. You're turning into just another "His master's voice" advocate. I'm just curious as to what the threshold is for "unacceptable" amo
51 Klaus : Everything so far seems entirely consistent with the undisputed view that Iraq still had some decaying leftovers from the pre-1991 stockpiles. Nothing
52 NoUFO : It's just interesting that there have been no set guidelines laid out, as to what is going to be a "smoking gun" This was up to the Security Council t
53 GKirk : The sooner terrorism is gone, the better,
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