FraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1107 posts, RR: 1 Posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3017 times:
Tomorrow the IOC will decide about the finalist cities for the 2012 summer Olympics. The candidates are New York City, Rio de Janeiro, Havana, London, Paris, Leipzig, Madrid, Istanbul and Moscow.
OK, the odd city seems to be the German entry Leipzig. Compared to the other cities it's rather small (500.000 inhabitants) and I'm sure a lot of people havn't heard about it.
But the IOC president Rogge has said that he wants to move away from gigantism.
So what do you guys think. Which city will make the final round. It's not sure how many will make it (4-5 seems to be realistic).
Qb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3004 times:
New York City and Rio de Janeiro are top contestants AFAIC. NYC has much more money to put on the table (read: to corrupt this coterie of dethroned crowned heads), but since Latin/South America hasn't organized the games in a while, I think Rio will prevail.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
777heavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2998 times:
Leipsch, how the Saxons would spell it, is a nice town and compared with his competitors nearly a village. But nonetheless, I guess Leipzig will make it to the final round (yes, you can call it a kind of local patriotism), the other cities will be: Rio, Moscow, Paris and maybe also Istanbul.
PU151 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2994 times:
My money's on:
1. NYC: natural candidate.
2. Paris: natural candidate, plus a great project (imagine playing beach volley on the Champ de Mars).
3. Rio: same reason as Qb, plus, I think the gigantism comment was aimed at them.
4. London: natural candidate.
Sorry to disappoint you FraT, but I don't think Leipzig stands a chance...
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2990 times:
FraT, we are both from AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA, and I would have favored AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA to enter for Germany, since the infrastructure is promising! But I think Leipzig is relatively well known abroad, but you are right - it can't compete...
I personally would hope for Havanna, that would be a great opportunity to show a paradigm change... Sport for Peace
LON, Rio, NYC, MOW and maybe IST or MAD will enter the next round, my guess. From these candidates, I would prefer in the following order
LON and NYC in my eyes are too insecure at the moment, and why again NYC after 1984 LA, 1996 ATL... now other cities should show their capability!
Btw FraT, do you think there will be another 'wunder vom Main von der Eintracht'?
FraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2986 times:
I think Moscow won't get to the next round as they hosted the Olympics in 1980 (although a lot of countries boycotted the games because of the war in Afghanistan). Also Madrid will have difficulties as the games were in Spain (Barcelona) in '92.
FraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2972 times:
absolutely, FRa would have been a better candidate IMO, as it is well known all over the world and has a much better infrastructure. But the German decision was just about politics. They want to support East Germany, even by risking not making the final round. Now they have a reason to give all the money to Leipzig.
Jcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2880 times:
As for you guys bitching about America getting too many Olympics, most of the time its all too logical to hold them in America. A lot of American cities has the infastructure in place already, has proven that they can actually build stadiums and arenas in short time frames (unlike the 2004 host), and American cities are not completely overwhelmed with large crowds. I went to Atlanta '96 and SLC '02, there could not be any better atmospheres than those two places.
As for Havana? Yeah, I could see it happening, but it wouldn't be the brightest idea in history. What happens if Fidel dies in 2010 (and he probably will die pretty soon) and there is political chaos? Beijing was also a quasi-dangerous and quasi-questionable choice.
New York City would be the best choice. First of all, there are several stadiums and arenas that are already in the planning stages (Yankees, Jets, Islanders, Nets, Devils, even the Mets might get a new cement block to play in) and those would definitely be finished by 2012. Plenty of hotels, although they are overpriced, it happens everywhere during the Olympics, and the city can definitely handle large crowds.
Srbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2858 times:
I'm honestly surprised the Brits actually put in a bid for London, especially after all those attempts at getting the Olympics in Manchester (In fact, some people thought that Manchester would be getting the British bid for 2012 as a result of the Commonwealth Games).
N6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2828 times:
I think Havana would be an excellent idea. Before all the reactionary anti-Castro crowd gets all up in arms, my theory is, what better way to expose the people of the Cuba to what is available in the rest of the world than by showing them what capitalism run wide can do to a city.
When hundred of thousand of tourist bringing cash show up, I think that they'll very quickly reject their communist past and realize that the grass is greener on the other side.
However, Cuba will never get the nod if for the simple fact that the existence of trade sanction by the US against Cuba would prohibit US companies (and their $$$$$$$) from spending any money on those games. The IOC knows that without US sponsorship, putting on the games is almost impossible.
Arcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2411 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2817 times:
Paris looks perfect to me.
as Jcs17 said, there is too little certainty about Cuba situation in 2012.
I would love to have the games in South America, but as PU said, it seems they'll get the 2014 world cup (with almost no competition, bad thing for us ), but this is not really a big issue: USA(94-96), Mexico(68-70) and there is always the issue about security and delinquency in the city.
NY could be good, but there have been too many Olympics in USA lately. The same with Madrid or Moscow.
London also sounds good.
Istanbul... I don't know, It's amazing the efforts made by Turkey to promote themselves as a modern country. But I don't think they are gonna get it.
How many cities will pass to the final tomorrow?
saludoS )( Arcano
in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773 and 380