FraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1101 posts, RR: 1 Posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2260 times:
Tomorrow the IOC will decide about the finalist cities for the 2012 summer Olympics. The candidates are New York City, Rio de Janeiro, Havana, London, Paris, Leipzig, Madrid, Istanbul and Moscow.
OK, the odd city seems to be the German entry Leipzig. Compared to the other cities it's rather small (500.000 inhabitants) and I'm sure a lot of people havn't heard about it.
But the IOC president Rogge has said that he wants to move away from gigantism.
So what do you guys think. Which city will make the final round. It's not sure how many will make it (4-5 seems to be realistic).
Qb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2247 times:
New York City and Rio de Janeiro are top contestants AFAIC. NYC has much more money to put on the table (read: to corrupt this coterie of dethroned crowned heads), but since Latin/South America hasn't organized the games in a while, I think Rio will prevail.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
777heavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2241 times:
Leipsch, how the Saxons would spell it, is a nice town and compared with his competitors nearly a village. But nonetheless, I guess Leipzig will make it to the final round (yes, you can call it a kind of local patriotism), the other cities will be: Rio, Moscow, Paris and maybe also Istanbul.
PU151 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2237 times:
My money's on:
1. NYC: natural candidate.
2. Paris: natural candidate, plus a great project (imagine playing beach volley on the Champ de Mars).
3. Rio: same reason as Qb, plus, I think the gigantism comment was aimed at them.
4. London: natural candidate.
Sorry to disappoint you FraT, but I don't think Leipzig stands a chance...
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2233 times:
FraT, we are both from AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA, and I would have favored AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA to enter for Germany, since the infrastructure is promising! But I think Leipzig is relatively well known abroad, but you are right - it can't compete...
I personally would hope for Havanna, that would be a great opportunity to show a paradigm change... Sport for Peace
LON, Rio, NYC, MOW and maybe IST or MAD will enter the next round, my guess. From these candidates, I would prefer in the following order
- Rio
- MOW
- IST
LON and NYC in my eyes are too insecure at the moment, and why again NYC after 1984 LA, 1996 ATL... now other cities should show their capability!
Btw FraT, do you think there will be another 'wunder vom Main von der Eintracht'?
FraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1101 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2229 times:
I think Moscow won't get to the next round as they hosted the Olympics in 1980 (although a lot of countries boycotted the games because of the war in Afghanistan). Also Madrid will have difficulties as the games were in Spain (Barcelona) in '92.
FraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1101 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2215 times:
Mrniji,
absolutely, FRa would have been a better candidate IMO, as it is well known all over the world and has a much better infrastructure. But the German decision was just about politics. They want to support East Germany, even by risking not making the final round. Now they have a reason to give all the money to Leipzig.
Jcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 43 Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2123 times:
As for you guys bitching about America getting too many Olympics, most of the time its all too logical to hold them in America. A lot of American cities has the infastructure in place already, has proven that they can actually build stadiums and arenas in short time frames (unlike the 2004 host), and American cities are not completely overwhelmed with large crowds. I went to Atlanta '96 and SLC '02, there could not be any better atmospheres than those two places.
As for Havana? Yeah, I could see it happening, but it wouldn't be the brightest idea in history. What happens if Fidel dies in 2010 (and he probably will die pretty soon) and there is political chaos? Beijing was also a quasi-dangerous and quasi-questionable choice.
New York City would be the best choice. First of all, there are several stadiums and arenas that are already in the planning stages (Yankees, Jets, Islanders, Nets, Devils, even the Mets might get a new cement block to play in) and those would definitely be finished by 2012. Plenty of hotels, although they are overpriced, it happens everywhere during the Olympics, and the city can definitely handle large crowds.
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7791 posts, RR: 23 Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2108 times:
It will either be London, New York or Paris. I hope it is London aswell, and if it's about giving everyone a chance to host a major sporting even, then it's about time the UK hosts the Olympics.
You really think that we'd be able to pull off the olympics in London?
Why the defeatist attitude? If the Greeks can just about manage it, then why cant Britain?
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2101 times:
I'm honestly surprised the Brits actually put in a bid for London, especially after all those attempts at getting the Olympics in Manchester (In fact, some people thought that Manchester would be getting the British bid for 2012 as a result of the Commonwealth Games).
N6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2071 times:
I think Havana would be an excellent idea. Before all the reactionary anti-Castro crowd gets all up in arms, my theory is, what better way to expose the people of the Cuba to what is available in the rest of the world than by showing them what capitalism run wide can do to a city.
When hundred of thousand of tourist bringing cash show up, I think that they'll very quickly reject their communist past and realize that the grass is greener on the other side.
However, Cuba will never get the nod if for the simple fact that the existence of trade sanction by the US against Cuba would prohibit US companies (and their $$$$$$$) from spending any money on those games. The IOC knows that without US sponsorship, putting on the games is almost impossible.
Arcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2397 posts, RR: 26 Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2060 times:
Paris looks perfect to me.
as Jcs17 said, there is too little certainty about Cuba situation in 2012.
I would love to have the games in South America, but as PU said, it seems they'll get the 2014 world cup (with almost no competition, bad thing for us ), but this is not really a big issue: USA(94-96), Mexico(68-70) and there is always the issue about security and delinquency in the city.
NY could be good, but there have been too many Olympics in USA lately. The same with Madrid or Moscow.
London also sounds good.
Istanbul... I don't know, It's amazing the efforts made by Turkey to promote themselves as a modern country. But I don't think they are gonna get it.
How many cities will pass to the final tomorrow?
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Mexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 2958 posts, RR: 30 Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2044 times:
I would like to see the finalist be Rio, London and Paris.
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29352 posts, RR: 62 Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2030 times:
I would have to give Rio, London, Moscow as my first three choices.
I do like the Liepzig idea though.
And hell no, Havana should not get the games.
I felt the same way about Bejing. Talk about supporting communisim.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
25 KEno: My preference would be Leipzig because I'm confident that Germany would be an excellent host and very efficient in organising & setting up the infrast
26 Jayce: I don't think New York will win, as the 2010 Winter Olympics are coming here, to Vancouver. I thought the IOC discourages back to back Olympic Games o
27 FraT: There will be a minimum of 3 finalists and a maximum of 6.
28 Flyboy36y: I really hope that NYC wins, but I will be happy with Rio. South America deserves a go...
29 Jcs17: I say that the IOC starts doing what the NFL does in awarding the Super Bowl to the crappiest places (Houston, Jacksonville, Detroit). How do these so
30 Qantasclub: Leipzig, Havana are outside chances and not very realistic. London and Paris are fantastic candidates and will do a good job. As a rule, I think US c
31 Delta767300ER: My preferances: 1. London 2. Istanbul 3. NYC -Delta767300ER
32 Phaeton: I totally agree with Jcs17 and think that Mogadishu should host the 2012 Olympic Games. There will just be a slight bit of construction to be done and
33 Ushermittwoch: Anybody in Germany who ever thought that Leipzig had ANY chance lives in a dream world. These people are so pathetic. It's like the A380 being the nex
34 Zak: " crappiest places" "La Paz 2012" la paz/el alto is a very nice city. i do however understand that it might not appeal to you, incase you have been th
35 Ushermittwoch: Well, what a HUGE surprise....NOT!
36 FraT: The finalists are: London, Paris, Madrid, Moscow and NYC
37 FraT: It was such a stupid decision to make Leipzig the German candidate. What a waste of money. Especially with all other candidates (besides Havana) being
38 Worldoftui: Jamotcx You really think that we'd be able to pull off the Olympics in London? I think that the recent Manchester games proved that we know how to hos
39 Krushny: I believe Madrid has a chance, save Istanbul it is the biggest European city that has never hosted an Olympics (4 million inh.), while Paris and Lond
40 Stratofish: I can only second what FraT and Ushermittwoch said. We should be glad Leipzig got thrown out so early or even more money would have been wasted, which
41 David_itl: I still vote for "anyone but London" - payback time for that worthless city's non-existent attempts to back either Birmingham's or Manchester's previo
42 Zak: gladly the soviet zone got turned down. i am all for madrid aswell, its one of the greatest cities in europe.
44 777heavy: FraT Calm down. Maybe these famous Cities like Hamburg or especially Frankfurt/Main had made it to the final round, then what? Do you really think the
45 KEno: Now that Leipzig is out of the way, my vote goes to PARIS. I'm too all for "anyone but London" (see my earlier post #25).
46 FraT: 777heavy, I hope they show the points each city got in the different categories. I think the big minuses were infrastructure and hotels, two of the mo
47 QIguy24: My guess will have to be New York City. Specially since Athens has it this year. And Im sure that IOC won't give it to a european country again.
48 777heavy: FraT There is a interesting article on http://www.faz.net about this topic and decision. You're right, Leipzig weakest points are infrastructure and a
49 FraT: 777heavy, not sure if Berlin will get another chance after the catastrophic bid for the 2000 Olympics. The mention of the next chance in 2024 for Euro
50 777heavy: FraT Until July 2005, when the IOC makes his final decision we can only speculate. But I would be very pleased, if Berlin would be the next host in Eu
51 Leviticus: I would love to see Monrovia in the race for the 2016 games...
52 777heavy: Leviticus My most favorite Cities for the games of 2016 are: Luanda, Addis Abeba, Port-au-Prince, Asmara and of cause Baghdad - which well hopefully b
53 9V-SPF: I was also a bit annoyed by the decision to make Leipzig the german candidate because it was highly political motivated instead of based on common sen
54 Lan_Fanatic: My vote goes for Paramaribo 2016 As I said in another forum thread, I know nothing of those three tiny countries above Brazil. It would be great to kn
55 Go Canada!: David, London is the capital city of the UK, if you do not like that you can always leave the UK or stand for Parliament, become PM and change the cap
56 Ushermittwoch: To be honest, out of all the candidats that are still in, I'd like to see MAD to get the games, although, as I stated above, NYC will get them. A litt
57 Jamotcx: Worldoftui my comment "You really think that we'd be able to pull off the Olympics in London?" was only aimed at London. I'm sure that Manchester and
58 STT757: "A little tear jerking here and there, you know how the Americans play that game..." Gimmie a fucking break.. NYC is the most able to financially make
59 Arsenal@LHR: I'm sorry but the whole Wembley thing just doesn't make me feel confident about London. What is it with the obsession with Wembley? Wembley does not e
60 IBERIA747: STT757: No need to be that rude, man. I think that every candidate has it´s merits and advantages. Just for the record, the most valued candidate dur
61 Pelican: Anyway, I am very happy to see that anything the East does fails miserably. Just another reason why we should have had them become their own state aft
62 Ushermittwoch: Well Pelican, as we both know, the West always wanted the to reunite. But instaed of actually saving up for an event like that, which AT FIRST seemed
63 Jamotcx: Ok Wembley was a bad example. The Millennium Dome. Need I say anymore? Jamo
64 Pelican: Who does suffer from the reunification? Okay some formerly SED and Stasi-members who lost their privileges. Sure Kohl wasn't an economy expert but our
65 Ushermittwoch: Well ALL Western economies thought that. BUT the East has cost us, what, 1 TRILLION Euros over the last 15 years? The few gold medals sure don't add u
66 STT757: "A little tear jerking here and there, you know how the Americans play that game..." How was I rude to anyone, I said give me a fucking break on the A
67 Jcs17: And NCY's infrastructure will just be HORRIBLE. There is no way the city can work AND have the games going on. First of all, only a few smaller, indoo
68 Ushermittwoch: Why because you can't take the truth?! Want to bet me that there are going to be big rallies that state that the nation that resembles FREEDOM needs t
69 ConcordeBoy: will have a near impossible task if topping Sydney ...you gotta be kidding?! A half-witted baboon with a Vchip in its brain could have put on a better
70 Travelin man: Excuse me, but what's with the "US has had too many..." comments? What about Europe (you all are "one people" now, no?). The EU will have had '04 (Ath
71 David_itl: Go Canada, was London REALLY behind Manchester's bid? The opening paragraph (listed below) suggests in this article that it wasn't: "It would be a mi
72 Bmi330: David_it get a grip mate Manchester is as likely to win the Olympics as the pope supporting Rangers. Manchester is a toy town compared to London and i
73 STT757: Fact is NYC has not held an Olympics before, it's about time.
74 Arsenal@LHR: The Millennium Dome. Need I say anymore? Meaningless. One bad project doesn't disqualify London as incompetent. Are you seriously telling me the UK ca
75 Jaspike: What about Europe (you all are "one people" now, no?). No.. but that's a different story.. London's got a year to get sorted, I hope they use the time
76 Bmi330: The dome was not that bad it was still the biggest tourist attraction the year it was open by quite a large margin if I remember and I did go and visi
77 ScottishLaddie: The law of averages says that London should get it . France got the world cup 1998, America has already had enough major sporting events, Moscow- you
78 Jaspike: Moscow- you cannot be serious! Still a bit too third world- oo contriversial!! Go to Moscow. I was pleasantly surprised when I went in Oct/Nov. Aerofl
79 Arcano: I still think of Paris as a great Idea. Maybe it's a little boring again in Europe, but 3 olympics in 28 years in USA? too much. And please, I think M
80 Jaspike: ...and it was great made me proud to be British. Why is your country Azerbaijan..? Tom
81 Bmi330: I Donna just the country I clicked on when I was filling the we thing in is it ok I dint think this was like official like on your passport. Can you j
82 Ben: I felt the same way about Bejing. Talk about supporting communisim. The shoes you are wearing, the computer you using right now, even the chair you ar
83 Pelican: BTW Excuse me, but what's with the "US has had too many..." comments? What about Europe (you all are "one people" now, no?). The EU will have had '04
84 Jamotcx: LOLOLOLOLOL Anyway whoever gets it. BTW good luck London, please prove me wrong by no stupid overspending. BTW Norway may not be in the EU but it is p
85 Ovelix: Hmmm New York for the Olympics?? I thought that the city that had the worst security failure in human history shouldn't promote itself for Olympic cit
86 Ushermittwoch: I thought the new Jets stadium is supposed to be IN Mahattan. So I guess there will be NOBODY going to the track and field events there...
88 Mexicana757: I would like to see either Paris or London get the Olympics, but NYC is a strong player. For the 2016 games I would like for the IOC to look somewhere
89 United Airline: Possible for Hong Kong to do it? With the resources and the excellency in management, I am sure Hong Kong can organize one of the best if not the best
90 Arcano: Hey Mexicana: Actually, since Santiago is 40 minutes away from ski area, it works well for both Summer and Winter Olympics. Argentina also has Bariloc
91 L-188: Of the ones that are remaining, I would hope that it would end up in either London or Paris, with Moscow running third. Barcelona and Atlanta aren't f
92 FraT: Mexicana757, although I would love to see the Winter Olympics in new Zealand or Chile there is a huge problem. The Olympics would have to take place i
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