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US Athletes Told To Cool It At Olympics  
User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

U.S. athletes told to cool it at Olympics
By Simon Hart
LONDON SUNDAY TELEGRAPH
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040516-121028-9603r.htm

Who cares. I hope that we are humble in our victories and proudly wave our flag. At the same time if the crowd starts booing them, I hope US athletes just rub in the face of the crowd even more. Its funny how Americans are called "classless" and yet you will never find an Olympic crowd in the US boo a foreign competitor--no matter what country or dictatorship they hail from. I'm sure the crowds at Athens will boo Americans, I have no doubt in that, I just hope that the US athletes are proud enough to be Americans to stand tall and not back down from celebrating their accomplishments.






America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

The fact that waving a US flag in a foreign country could provoke "crowd hostility" doesn't somehow hint to you that your foreign policy isn't that great...?

User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

The fact that waving a US flag at a international non-partisan non-political sporting event could provoke "crowd hostility" doesn't somehow hint to you that some people will find a reason to bitch and complain about everything?

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

The fact that waving a US flag at a international non-partisan non-political sporting event could provoke "crowd hostility" doesn't somehow hint to you that some people will find a reason to bitch and complain about everything?

Well...no. Considering this is a recent phenomenon...


User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

What does a country's foreign policy have to do with an athletes times in running the 100 meter hurdles?

User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

The fact that waving a US flag in a foreign country could provoke "crowd hostility" doesn't somehow hint to you that your foreign policy isn't that great...?

No, it actually tells me that most of the world might be jealous of America and simply hate us because of our position in the world. Don't fool yourself, people hated America before we liberated Iraq, Iraq is just a convenient excuse for non-Americans to act like heathens and act upon their long-standing dislike of America.



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

What does a country's foreign policy have to do with an athletes times in running the 100 meter hurdles?

Nothing at all. Hence when people get booed for doing it, you must be doing SOMETHING wrong.

No, it actually tells me that most of the world might be jealous of America and simply hate us because of our position in the world

Based on what? This is a MODERN PHENOMENON genius. Which means something must have happened recently. Jealously would be long-standing, no? Now what else has happened recently...?

non-Americans to act like heathens and act upon their long-standing dislike of America.

Heathens?!

hea·then ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hthn)
n. pl. hea·thens or heathen

One who adheres to the religion of a people or nation that does not acknowledge the God of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.
Such persons considered as a group; the unconverted.

One who is regarded as irreligious, uncivilized, or unenlightened.
Such persons considered as a group.


Sure you meant 'heathens'...?



What evidence do you have that there is long-standing dislike of America, at least here in Europe?

If you are hated, you are hated because of your foreign policies - not because people are jealous.

[Edited 2004-05-18 00:30:03]

User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

Jeez... I hate to think about the foreign policies of all those countries whose fans get into soccer brawls.

User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

Nothing at all. Hence when people get booed for doing it, you must be doing SOMETHING wrong.


So let me get this straight... you condone booing and dissing an individual for the actions of their home country's government?


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

So let me get this straight... you condone booing and dissing an individual for the actions of their home country's government?

Nope, not at all. I personally think sporting events should be completly free of all politics.

Unfortunatly that's not the case. The US is disliked around the entire world - not because people are jealous - but because people don't like the US's foreign policy. If protesting at sporting events makes an impact, so be it.


User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

If protesting at sporting events makes an impact, so be it.

OK... I will protest as Muslim mosques from now on. Those damn Muslims are all baby-killing suicide bombers.  Insane


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

Go on then. I'm not stopping you...

I'm all for the freedom to protest.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8766 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

Let them wave their flag all they want, that's what every winner from every country can do.





"I'm sure the crowds at Athens will boo Americans, I have no doubt in that"

And why? Because you're paranoid?

"No, it actually tells me that most of the world might be jealous of America and simply hate us because of our position in the world. Don't fool yourself, people hated America before we liberated Iraq, Iraq is just a convenient excuse for non-Americans to act like heathens and act upon their long-standing dislike of America."

Factually wrong. The US received lots of support after 9/11, it's just that your current administration managed to transform that into mistrust and anger against its own actions. I do have a favourable overall opinion of the United States of America, it's just the fact that its foreign policy is one big mess that I dread.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

If protesting at sporting events makes an impact, so be it.?

No, it won't make an impact, other than giving Americans the impression that Europeans are classless, whiney, anti-American lunatics. It just gives you guys a bad name. Go protest in front of an American embassy, do it in the main streets of your favorite city, but don't make yourselves look worse than you already do by booing athletes.



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

No, it actually tells me that most of the world might be jealous of America and simply hate us because of our position in the world. Don't fool yourself, people hated America before we liberated Iraq, Iraq is just a convenient excuse for non-Americans to act like heathens and act upon their long-standing dislike of America.

:D  Big grin  Big grin


Quote of the week!

:D  Big grin D:

Espacially the part of being jealous of America! Big grin Yes, I am jealous that you have more McDonalds than we! And espacially that you "produce the best Americans in the world" (quote by George Bush).  Big grin

[Edited 2004-05-18 00:35:12]

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

The base level of hostility and resentment has been pushed to unprecedented heights by the conduct of the Bush administration; Bush is "in everybody´s face" all the time anyway.

It´s certainly unfair, but the american athletes currently just don´t have as much leeway as the others who nobody has a serious beef with (or as the americans had before Bush´s Iraq adventure). It´s not a justification, just an indication of how pissed most of the world is at this time.

With a new administration and a new attitude towards foreign policy things will normalize pretty quickly again.


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

Take this into consideration real fast. If it wasn't for the forefathers of those evil American and British athletes liberating European countries during WWII, most of Europe could all be marching into the stadium in Athens under one flag.


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8766 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

I guess it must have been the unlucky number... reply 13! Would you please just cool it yourself? The one who's giving the impression of being "classless, whiney, lunatic" is right here among us.

Edit: And what the bloody hell does WW2 have to do with it? Seems like every time you're not convincing anyone (which seems to be quite often), you dig up WW2 to justify your opinion that everyone has to kiss Bush's arse. I don't even dare to think what would have happened had Bush been President in Roosevelt's place.

[Edited 2004-05-18 00:41:16]


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

No, it won't make an impact, other than giving Americans the impression that Europeans are classless, whiney, anti-American lunatics

Really? I'd like to think that some Americans at least are capable of understanding when they've made a mistake.

It just gives you guys a bad name

Just like pre-emptive war, based on lies or grossly incorrect intelligence gives your - and unfortunately my - country a bad name.

but don't make yourselves look worse than you already do by booing athletes.

Pointless name-calling now Jcs...

Are you ever going to reply to my other thread? When am I ever against the American populace?


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

Boo, Klaus, do your Euro-style catcalls when an American wins a gold medal. Next time you have a question as to why Americans aren't too fond of Europeans, you can think of that time that you just had to boo a guy who won a race because of "political" reasons. Europe will just make itself look stupid and give themselves a bad name.


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

Really? I'd like to think that some Americans at least are capable of understanding when they've made a mistake.


I'd also like to think that some people are at least capable of understanding that athletes don't determine foreign policy.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

I'd also like to think that some people are at least capable of understanding that athletes don't determine foreign policy.

The idea (obviously, for crying out loud) is to protest the nation - not the athlete. Isn't the athlete a representative of the nation?

Next time you have a question as to why Americans aren't too fond of Europeans, you can think of that time that you just had to boo a guy who won a race because of "political" reasons

Please note this actually hasn't happened yet...

Are you ever going to answer any of my questions?


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8766 posts, RR: 42
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

And what is this "Europe is going to do this, Europe is going to do that" crap all about? Since when does Europe equal a few booers at the Olympic Games? How on earth does a sporting event show all the attitudes of several hundreds of millions of people?


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

"Take this into consideration real fast. If it wasn't for the forefathers of those evil American and British athletes liberating European countries during WWII, most of Europe could all be marching into the stadium in Athens under one flag."

And the American's and Brits would probably also be joining us under that flag.

Staffan


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

I'd also like to think that some people are at least capable of understanding that athletes don't determine foreign policy

I think we can agree on that. When I was an American athlet, I would participate for the states but deny to march under the banner, and in case I win a medal deny to go on the podest and give a disclaimer. I would not liked to be associated with the flag

Booing at the athletes would indeed be unfair, but one should consider it as booing at the flag, it gives a momentum how opposed world society is to what is happening. Athletes who know what is happening on the world would approve the booing or not even appear at the opening ceremony and rather partcipate as individuals at the game (which is officially not possible)

Just compare: OK, the athletes are booed out, which is a little unfair. But why are sanctions imposed on countries, as Iraq before the war?? Here, the people and not the Iraq regime suffered, and more than athletes while booed out.


25 Post contains images Klaus : Jcs17, you´re asking for everyone to absolve you from the gigantic blunder your beloved leader has committed. And this absolution is simply not to be
26 Mrniji : Jcs17, are you really a student?? Doesn't seem like
27 JAL777 : When I was an American athlet, I would participate for the states but deny to march under the banner, and in case I win a medal deny to go on the pode
28 Aa61hvy : The crowds can be poor sports if they so choose. But if the US wins a medal, I hope the other competitors will outclass the crowd. If not, then shove
29 777236ER : You were never an American athlete. Surely he was an American citizen...and an American? Simply because his way to protest is to peacefully refuse to
30 Mrniji : You were never an American athlete. Reply to When I was an American athlet, I would participate for the states but deny to march under the banner Less
31 AAJAXFlyer : I find it pathetic that many people feel the need to harrass or put down all citizens of a country for policies its government puts forward. I don't h
32 Post contains images Mrniji : you have been making some pretty anti American comments, and quite frankly it's been getting on my nerves That's because I feel ashamed for being an A
33 Post contains images B747-437B : you can kiss my big fat American ass, (which aint really fat) then go back to that dump, India, which you call home and keep your mouth shut You'd pro
34 Worldoftui : Booing the winners is terrible. But surely the manner of the victory has something to do with it. I remember Agassi winning the Gold in Atlanta. Massi
35 Roberta : I don't know what your problem is man, but in the past few threads, you have been making some pretty anti American comments, and quite frankly it's be
36 JetsGo : Just an FYI from someone who knows him personally and thinks you just stuck your foot in your mouth bigtime. Whether or not he has Indian heritage, ci
37 Post contains images B747-437B : why cant I bash the country for which he wants to stand for? Nobody's stopping you from doing just that. We're just letting you know that you look lik
38 Jcs17 : That's because I feel ashamed for being an American, keeping in mind all the recent victims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam I don't know what kind of ch
39 WellHung : Wow, in one almighty paragraph you have just demonstrated to us (and hopefully yourself) why the world hates the US so much. Especially in that last c
40 Roberta : The poor victims in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam? You have to be kidding me. You mean the same "victims" that perpetrated acts of terrorism, the sam
41 Post contains images Mrniji : I don't know what kind of chemicals they allow in the raw sewage in the streets of India You ought to know... many of them are imported from you guys
42 Worldoftui : Jcs17 Not going to disagree with you. Could give examples about many other expamples of unacceptable behaviour. I just raised that because that is wha
43 Post contains images SXFAN : Guys why all that fuss? The Greeks and the other fans will not boo anybody. It is the Olympic spirit that will make these games a celebration and I ho
44 Mexicana757 : The U.S. government should be more worried about their actions than what athletes might do at the Olympics. The government shouldn't stick their nose
45 Spaceman : I think the real winners are those who are humble.
46 Russophile : Guys, cut the shit. On both sides. This has nothing to do with who saved who's butt in WWII, who's jealous of whom, or who is the biggest arse. It has
47 Post contains images Russophile : Just went and read the article which was linked in the OP -- and how funny is it, that the most memorable moment in this regard is also the exact exam
48 Dc10guy : These countries citizens that "BOO" the Americans at the Olympics should be careful. We may make up stories about them having "WMD's" and invade their
49 JAL777 : Well what can I say... Russophile hit the hammer on nail.
50 Post contains images Klaus : Dc10guy: These countries citizens that "BOO" the Americans at the Olympics should be careful. We may make up stories about them having "WMD's" and inv
51 Post contains images Ovelix : So, someone thinks that the crowd at the Olympic venues here in Athens will boo anyone who celebrates his/her victory. Will you JCS eat your words whe
52 Post contains images QIguy24 : LOL!! Jcs, You really saved my day by giving me the biggest laugh!! Never have I read so many stupid posts before in my life. Saying that the European
53 Ovelix : QIguy24 He has to tell us also why the Europeans are jealous of USA. What US has that Europe hasn't??? I am curious to read about.
54 Alpha 1 : Who cares. I hope that we are humble in our victories and proudly wave our flag. At the same time if the crowd starts booing them, I hope US athletes
55 Aa61hvy : "I suggest you should go to Europe. That is step one. Second step is to get in contact to a European and talk to them. Then you will see, that we are
56 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : No, it won't make an impact, other than giving Americans the impression that Europeans are classless, whiney, anti-American lunatics Beautiful *******
57 Post contains images Klaus : ConcordeBoy: "They've" hated us before, they hate us now, they'll hate us in the future. Sorry; We´ve got other things to do. Go play by yourself if
58 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Sorry; We´ve got other things to do Can't walk and chew gum at the same time....? Never stopped ya before Daydreaming, again? As if... Euroboys = unc
59 Post contains images Klaus : ConcordeBoy: Can't walk and chew gum at the same time....? Never stopped ya before Sorry to disappoint you, but we simply don´t share your fixation o
60 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : ...course, I'm more than willing to wager I'll see a million uncut lil' Eurowillies before you find one example of "mutilation scars" on any circumsiz
61 Klaus : I´m not that fascinated by the topic...
62 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : translation: I didnt have a decent comeback It's okay... was all offtopic anyways
63 Post contains images 9V-SPF : What a wonderful bitching contest! Congratulations to all who participated. Nice to see that the stockpile of paranoid people seems to be inexhaustibl
64 Jcs17 : Mrjini: You ought to know... many of them are imported from you guys Yeah, without those chemicals or those outsourced jobs from the West, about 200 m
65 Moolies : Considering the US policy on drugs is basically we know you take them, just dont get caught, ok I do respect the US yet 95% of those atheletes from an
66 Alpha 1 : I'll say it a million times, Paris is one of my favorite cities in world, and I genuinely like the people there. Their only problem being they're fore
67 QIguy24 : JCS, How come you suddenly like us Europeans now? You bitched about us earlier in this thread. Can you make up your mind or was it just some lousy sel
68 Post contains images Alpha 1 : He doesn't like Europeans. Someone put him on the defensive, and that was his way to try and get out of a corner. After all, Europeans aren't American
69 Russophile : I'll say it a million times, Paris is one of my favorite cities in world, and I genuinely like the people there. You do mean Paris, Texas right? Jcs17
70 Post contains images Sebolino : Whatever the subject, it's always the same discussion: - Not all Europeans are like that ... - If we didn't save your asses, you would be speaking Ger
71 Stall : The US athletes started waving their flags during Olympic Games in L.A in 1984 if I remember correctly. Before that time no one was doing that. I thin
72 Post contains images Andreas : giving Americans the impression that Europeans are classless, whiney, anti-American lunatics. That is the impression we have of the thread-starter, an
73 Alpha 1 : The US athletes started waving their flags during Olympic Games in L.A in 1984 if I remember correctly. Before that time no one was doing that. Wrong.
74 Post contains images QIguy24 : Andreas, Cool down before you get a stroke Just laugh at the guy. He¨s so stupid with his comments. He knows that he's wrong. Thats why he have to wr
75 Post contains images Andreas : QI: I know that, and I give a wet crap about what this moron posts, I just thought it is time to point out that the deletion policy of the Mods is som
76 Post contains images QIguy24 : Now that's what I like to hear. Im going on "vacation" tomorrow. Taking a little weekendtrip to Stockholm with the lady Yeah! I wonder why they even c
77 GDB : It's certainly an interesting idea, that 19 well educated (but clearly fanatical) young men from quite well off backgrounds, chose to hijack 4 airline
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