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Holy Jesus..Im A Jew!  
User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 6
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2683 times:
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I just found out that my ancestors were Jewish!

Apparently my great grandfather decided to head over for America from France to seek fame and furtune.. married catholic lady on this side of the ocean.. and i guess the offspring was raised catholic.

So many questions!

PS. I hope this doenst fall into one of those "self-gloss" things.


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User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2663 times:

Technically, if your great grandmother was catholic, then her children are/were not Jew. So... you are not Jew either.

I have a similar case in my familly, as my grandmother was Jew. Technically, although raised a Catholic, my father is considered Jew by many, but since my mother is Catholic, I am not Jew at all (except if you ask me money, but I might be Scott as well  Wink/being sarcastic )

707


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2652 times:

You're not a Jew.
Mommy needs to be one......Dad's don't count...

Unless they both converted--or you did.

So, in summary, you'll still have to pay retail.
 Smile


User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2642 times:
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Ohh.. i wasnt aware of that little detail..

Intersting none the less.

I guess Jews everywere breathe a sigh of relief  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineDamirc From Slovenia, joined Feb 2004, 723 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2622 times:

Similar case here ... On my paternal side I have some Jewish heritage (not sure how many generations back though) - and have a Jewish last name.

Guess it surprises RJPieces and Jutes  Smile

D.


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

My ancestors are Jewish too. I'm Portuguese, and part of my name is "Oliveira", and any Portuguese with part of their name being a tree, plant, or whatever, has Jewish ancestry. "Oliveira" means olive tree, hehe. So you're not alone! By the way, I am stingy with money, and I have a big nose, so I'm not surprised at all.  Big grin (I can't wait for people to freak out on me for the stereotypes).


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User currently offline5T6 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

...So, in summary, you'll still have to pay retail.

THAT is funny, Greg!! Oy!!  Wink/being sarcastic

Regards,

Mike



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User currently offlineLeviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2570 times:

This whole thing about who is considered a Jew and who is not, is a little bit wicked I think. And according to the "formula" you can not be a half Jew or part Jewish. But I think that this only should be seen as the official way if you talk about traditions and religion, because technically, if one of your ancestors was a Jew you are still part Jewish, ethnically ! It's an undeniable fact.

User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

I have a Jewish man somewhere back in my heritage, although I don't think he added to my direct lineage. Something about a Jewish traveling salesman fathering a child with a great aunt...

In any case, I try to be sensitive to the Jewish roots of Christianity, and apparently my efforts have paid off -- I once took a Jewish Studies course at Univ. of Delaware, and went through half of the semester before someone asked me whether I had made Bat Mitzvah, since I was so astute on the Torah. I was floored that someone actually thought I was Jewish... not offended, rather honored.


redngold



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2499 times:

Even Hitler and Lenin had jewish background far away...

User currently offlineUs330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3866 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2477 times:

Hitler's wasn't that far away.....
Apparently, his paternal grandmother was working as a maid/servant for the Rothchilds in Austria when she became pregnant with Hitler's father. They have traced payments from the Rotchilds to her to help her raise the child.


User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13968 posts, RR: 63
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

Us people from central / eastern Europe have been so thourougly mixed up that I think someone can find about anything in my ancestry, if he looks far enough back. Starting the stone age Germany, Austria, Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary have been at the crossroads of Europe. Any invader or stream of refugees or simple imigration was just moving through our lands. I know of oneof my great-great-great great-grandfathers, who was a soldier in Napoleon´s Grande Armee during the invasion and subsequent retreat from Russia. This guy got stuck in East Prussia (today Russia´s Kaliningrad province) and married a local girl.

Jan


User currently offlineLeviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2458 times:

Hitler was not a bit Jewish but Lenin was, and so were Marx, Stalin, Engels, Trosky, Rakosi and all the other "good guys".

User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

The religious definition of "Jewish" is a maternal lineage. If your mother was Jewish, you are Jewish. If your father was but your mother was not, technically you are not Jewish.


Up, up and away!
User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

Which begs the question, what's the big deal?? We are all people, dammit... Who more than likely share similar ancestors somewhere along the line. So, why does every one have to freak on every one else because of country or religion or colour.
If anyone truly believes in religion, do they honestly believe their god, jesus, allah, buddha, mohammed, or whoever really said they should separate themselves from others? Did their religious teachings say to hate and kill others who don't share your religious beliefs? If your god, jesus, buddha, mohammed or whomever is supposedly responsible for all of mankind's existence, then why would the maker condone hate for each other?
I think the real question is, does religion hold any validity?? With things being the way they are in the world today, I'm hard pressed to say yes. Certainly not in the way it's described in many of the printed material that's in circulation.
I believe religion is a relative state of mind. Relative to the environment in which it's believers existed. So, who's to say any one religion is right and the others are not. THAT'S WHY we have wars and hate for each other and separation by boundaries and boarders. Starting to look like religion is the cause for all the world's problems, doesn't it....?
I'm sure many of you will become bent after reading my post. Frankly, I don't care. Prove me wrong.

edit: I can vouch for CaptainGomes. What a stingy bugger he is (heh heh)
Wanna split a pack later? (LoL)

[Edited 2004-05-19 23:39:53]

User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13968 posts, RR: 63
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

Leveticus,

Bullsh*t!

Lenin´s and Stalin´s families where both Russian orthodox Christians, Stalin was actually training to become a priest, before he joined the Communist movement.
Marx had a Jewish background, but was decidedly antireligious, same as Trotski.
I don´t know about Rakosi, but many Russian jews joined the revolutionaries back in 1917, simply because they were persecuted and used as scape goats in Czarist Russia.

Jan



User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2428 times:

Well tribal affiliation is passed through the father, while the religious designation is passed from the maternal side, if it was your paternal great-grandfather you might still be technically part of the "tribe".

User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

THAT'S WHY we have wars and hate for each other and separation

Hmm, how do you explain wars between nations with the same religion
Italy-Austria both catholic (WWI) Germany-France (...WWI+II) France catholic, Germany nearly 50% catholic) the same with Germany and Poland in WWII - while UK and France were allies... Your theory is either outdated or you generalize way too much, religion can be a reason (middle east) and it often was but it's not "the" reason. Maybe religion is becoming the reason number one (once again) of war but it wasn't the reason of the grand wars in the last century.

MD11Engineer - you aren't accidentally from the Berlin-Region the big melting pot of central Europe?

pelican


User currently offlineLeviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2407 times:

I am speaking of ethnicity here not religion, anyone can convert.

User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13968 posts, RR: 63
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

Pelican,

Yes, I was born there and lived there for a long time, but now I´m livuing much further west... May I happen to know you?

Jan


User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

It was just a guess because of your personal history - many "Ostpreußen" came to Berlin after the last war. Your name isn't widespread in Germany. But in Berlin you can find your name or similar names a few times...

pelican


User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13968 posts, RR: 63
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

You are right. My father´s side of the family came from "Ostpreussen" (for thev Russians and Polish in here, I´ve got no ambitions to claim our ancestral farm, whoever runs it now is welcome to keep it).
There are two clans of Krusats in Germany, one in Berlin, which are all close relatives, and another one in the Ruhr area, of whom I suspect that they are a different branch of the same family, I talked to one of them and they are from the same region (traced down to a few villages).
The name is originaly Lithuanian though.

Jan


User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

Leviticus, um sorry to burst your bubble that every commie was Jewish, but

Ethnically Lenin (born Ulyanov) was Russian, and some people thought he had some Siberian stock, not just because of where he was born, but because of his somewhat "Asiatic" eyes. Whatever, he wasn't Jewish, ethnically, religiously, or anything else.

Stalin was not even Russian, he was Georgian, born Dzhugashvili, spoke Russian as a second language, and was Georgian orthodox.Again not Jewish at all.

Don't think Engels was Jewish, but I can't confirm that he wasn't.

Marx - definitely Jewish, descendant of Rabbis, but he himself wasn't raised Jewish and was somewhat anti-Semitic (!)

Trotsky - born Bronstein was Jewish,though not religious.

Emma Goldman, Rosa Luxemburg, since someone will ask were both Jewish.

Since someone will ask about these too...

Gus Hall - not a Jew, born in the midwest of Scandinavian extraction.
Norman Thomas - WASP from New Jersey
Eugene Debs - nope.

So what does this mean, class.

There are good and bad in all people, from good Jews (Einstein) to bad ones (David Berkowitz) so when saying, or rather "implying" that all the other "good guys". are Jewish, or for that matter, Black,or Arab, or comparing why there are so many of insert ethnic group here who are illustrious as compared to insert ethnic group here who are not, well that shows more about yourself than anything else.



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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

to bad ones (David Berkowitz)

That lunie tunes isn't Jewish anymore IIRC...Didn't he convert in prison?


User currently offlineSleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2046 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

I just wish folks wouldn't begin sentences with "Holy Jesus!" and the like. So disrespectful. "Oh MY God" is a bother as well. The person who says that isn't thinking about God at that moment...it's just something to say.


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25 Fly_yhm : Sleekjet thanks for that. As far as whether or not you are jewish or not I don't think you would be if you don't follow the beliefs. Thats like saying
26 Post contains images Tbar220 : Holy Jesus..Im A Jew! LOL! For some reason, I find that funny The combination of Holy Jesus and I'm a Jew.
27 747400F : Surely you are only jewish if you belive in it. My mother considers herself Christian, that does not make me a Christian! I'm Atheist!
28 Haveric : Those of you endorsing stereotypes that Jewish people are cheap and have large noses are totally irresponsible. We're past the point in human history
29 Captaingomes : No Haveric, people have become so PC that you can't joke about anything anymore. Soon, any joke will be considered "totally irresponsible" and we will
30 British767 : Even if you were a Jew, what's so bad about that?
31 747400F : Check to see if you have had the snip - might give you a clau as to if you are in fact a jew boy!
32 CXA330300 : May I please remind you that there are Jewish members on the forum? Anyway, I just found out that I am related to several Cossacks who raped several o
33 Post contains images Windshear : "I guess Jews everywere breathe a sigh of relief" Nah I kinda hoped you would join the club Boaz...
34 Rjpieces : My ancestors are Jewish too. I'm Portuguese, and part of my name is "Oliveira", and any Portuguese with part of their name being a tree, plant, or wha
35 Windshear : I have a pakistani girl friend, no not THAT kind of girl friend, she told me that they were Jewish before turning Muslim?!?!??! Well aint that strange
36 CXA330300 : I almost may be in a similar conundrum- but it's "Raise the Flag...I'm a Pole"
37 ELAL 744 : Just for definition: According to Halacha (Jewish Law), you need to be born to a Jewish Mother to be a Jew. The Nazis claimed that anyone with at leas
38 Post contains images QIguy24 : LOL!! THis thread reminds me of one of the funniest Family Guy episodes I saw yesterday!! Has anyone seen that episode when Peter gets help with his e
39 Post contains images Msllsmith : In some ways, what an interesting thread. Before going into anything....I believe that the most important thing we all have in common is our humanity.
40 USAFHummer : "Has anyone seen that episode when Peter gets help with his economy from a Jew?" Yep, an absolute riot...I love the cameo by Ben Stein...a perfect fit
41 Post contains images Airplay : Sounds like you're not a Jew for sure, but you are Jewish... (Stole that from Seinfeld) Anyway, aren't Catholics just a bunch of converted Jews anyway
42 Leviticus : Anyway, aren't Catholics just a bunch of converted Jews anyway? I mean if you go back far enough, all of us Christians are Jews aren't we? No not real
43 Rjpieces : Judaism was the first religion of monotheism. Christianity and Islam are both offshoots of Judaism.
44 Nycfuturepilot : People need to remember that religion should be a matter of choice left up to the person in question and not be inhereted through birth.
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