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Mayor Giuliani, NYC  
User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1440 times:

Wow, I heard him talking on the 9/11 report earlier today, Mr Giuliani is such a inspiring role-model for not only the citizens of the US, but worldwide, even when the 2 planes had crashed into the WTC all he wanted to do was "get down there" and help people.
I thought his comments about the NY police/fire/ambulance departments were spot-on, He was such a great Mayor of NYC.
I never even heard of him before 9/11, now I think he's the greatest guy in the US lol, just goes to show that not everyone in power huddles in a nuclear bunker at times of crisis, he's a real caring guy.

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User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1415 times:

Arguably the best mayor in NYC's history. He turned the city around.


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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5617 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

Well uh... the 9/11 families don't think so.. makes ya' wonder about the other side of the issue doesn't it?


BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1399 times:

makes ya' wonder about the other side of the issue doesn't it?

Not really.

...makes me wonder how much money they are/were after though.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16877 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

The otherside of the issue is that for the families of those who were lost their whole lives surround this investigation, as long as this investigation is on going in a way they are not having to deal with the fact that their loved one is gone and that they have to move on.

The people speaking out today are the same group of 30 or so that appear on tv locally everytime anything about 9-11 is talked about, the Woman who screamed out "my son was murdered" lost her fire fighter son on 9-11.

She's spoke out on several issues since 9-11 as "scandalous", she's very emotional and very vocal and driven to condem everyone and everything she associates with that day.

Except the terrorists themselves.

I was actually teared up when the families spoke out, it's still very emotional and for them they will never recover or accept what happened. I even noticed that members of the Comitteee were getting choked up and Mayor Giulianni kept his composure but Im sure that hearing those things yelled at him were very hard to take.

The Mayor went to HUNDREDS of funerals after 9-11, he went to as many as he physically and emotionally could stand.

I met Mayor Giulianni in 1986/'87 during his first campaign for Mayor (which he lost to Dinkins), there was no better person to be in that position on that day than Rudy Giulianni. He did a terrific job restoring the City's Pride and Prestige after Decades of jobs and people fleeing the City, he also kept NYC on it's feet after enduring a hit that would have destroyed other Cities morale.

Even Al Sharpton who was always at odds with the former Mayor for his tough stance on crime had nothing but praise for the Former Mayors' leadership.

It's unfortunate but I wish President Bush listened to people like Giulianni more than he listened to people like Cheney and Wolfowitz.

It's unclear right now but eventualy Rudy Giulianni is going to be back in Politics, whether that's as a NY Senator (unseat Clinton) or as a Presidential Canidate remains to be seen.



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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1381 times:

There is no mistake that Rudy Giulianni was a great mayor of NYC. He turned the city around 100%. However, I felt that at times he acted very dictatorial...Trying to censor art at the Brooklyn Museum, trying to extend his term after 9/11.

Overall, he did an amazing job.


User currently offlineLeviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

It would be great to have him as Vice President with GWB, maybe Georgie could consider kicking Cheney's butt out of office.

User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5617 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1358 times:

Well uh... the 9/11 families don't think so.. makes ya' wonder about the other side of the issue doesn't it?

Concordeboy,:

Not really.

...makes me wonder how much money they are/were after though.


That is a really crass comment to make about the 9/11 families. The majority of people who held jobs there were involved in world finance and related industries. In other words they were most likely pulling down $170,000 -500,000 a year. And you think 1 to 2 million dollars or even $10-20 million is going to replace who they lost in the WTC? You must be out of your gord!

These people are seeking answers and they have every right to question, every person, agency, local and federal in pursuit of the right answer.. esp. with this administration (and Guliani) who has been fighting them every step of the way!

If someone you loved (if they exist) were in an accident and someone TOLD you "...here take this settlement (and promise not to sue) and ask no questions or don't worry, well get the details and past them on to you later..."

I don't know about you.. but I wouldn't quit until no stone is left unturn.. at getting at the truth.. and that's exactly what those people are doing.

Money.. ha. Either you haven't been following the plight of these people or don't a damn one way or another -- and for a supersonic patriotic american, I find your response pretty shallow for such people in pursuit of a truthful resolution to one of the greatest crimes in American history.


BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1339 times:

I wouldn't be surprised to see a President Giuliani.

>>>I find your response pretty shallow for such people in pursuit of a truthful resolution to one of the greatest crimes in American history.<<<

No argument, though I consider this not a crime rather an act of war.




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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1317 times:

I wouldn't be surprised to see a President Giuliani.

ROTFLMAO. He doesn't have the temperment to be a President.

And I love all this post-facto 9/11 love-in with Rudi, who was considered, at best, an average mayor before 9/11. Now he's a big fucking GOP hero.

Rudi for President. Boy, the GOP picks some winners.


User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1312 times:

"Now he is a big fucking GOP hero."

I'd classify him as a big fucking hero, period. Not only now, but THEN, while and during all that shit was happening.

I could only hope that if myself were in the same position at the same time I would have the sense and composure to perform so admirably, while, I suppose, that some others we hear from on this forum could have only the sense of composing rather stupid posts. Regards...Jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1310 times:

Jacks, fine. I'm not diminishing anything he did around 9/11, but the fact is, he was a so-so mayor, and 9/11 was one of those events that most people rise up to in some respect. But presidential material? No way.

George W. Bush is bad enough. Rudi wouldn't be what the nation needs.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1307 times:

That is a really crass comment to make about the 9/11 families. The majority of people who held jobs there were involved in world finance and related industries. In other words they were most likely pulling down $170,000 -500,000 a year. And you think 1 to 2 million dollars or even $10-20 million is going to replace who they lost in the WTC? You must be out of your gord!

Well so some Conneticut stay at home wives are actually going to have to do what the rest of us who lose love ones who are the breadwinners do, go out and find jobs!!!

How many people in any pay scale forced to do that ever finds one that makes what they lost ones made before. Almost never!!!

Sorry I don't feel sorry for them. It has been pretty obvious that the 9/11 commision for some time has been concerned with fixing blame on the current adminstration rather then finding the truth. Why is it that in public testimony the never ask the question, "What to you think would make the system better"

The reason, they don't care about the answer, so why ask it?



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1304 times:

L-188, tell me once again, after reading that, that you're not a Republican. I don't buy it, and I never will.

You're more worried about letting Bush off the hook, then YOU are in finding the truth, so stick that in your ANWR.


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1302 times:

Yeah, what is going on with New York Mayor? Is that need to protect with their country and keep bad guys off with the country.

User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1291 times:

OK, Alpha1; I now take your point(s) in context. My knee-jerk was that you were dissing Rudy for his performance during the crisis, which I took offense to. I realize now that was not your intent; sorry.

As far as Rudy being presidential material, I don't know. I guess I wouldn't drop my beer bottle at the suggestion when thinking about the two current choices, though.

I had a chat with another old-timer in the local biker bar today and we both agreed that we couldn't really figure out why (yeah, there are a lot of superficial reasons) neither one of us have experienced a true, great, president of the US, and both of us go back to remembering politics from the Eisenhower days. There have been some good presidents, mediocre presidents, questionable presidents, but no really great presidents in our conscious lifetimes. Sad commentary for such a band of, what - 260 million people - no? Regards...Jack




all best; jack
User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1289 times:

I loved the classless saps that stood up and jeered Guiliani for "killing" their loved ones. Thats great, misdirected anger at its finest. If it wasn't for Guiliani and the leadership he provided post-9/11, I bet a lot of those people wouldn't be recieving nice hefty checks monthy from various charities for their loss. Those people make me want to vomit.

Guiliani is one of the greatest mayors in American history, bar none. New York City was a crime-ridden, crap-hole where no wanted to live in the late 80s, early 90s. It was a dump, Times Square was a porn mecca, and businesses were leaving by the droves. He turned that city around like very few people could. Example, my cousin got a relatively nice 2BR apartment on the Upper West Side for $600 a month in 1988. Today, the apartments next to his are renting for $1800 and $2000 respectively.

As for Guliani running for office, it wouldn't shock me to see Guiliani running for VP in 2008 and running for Pres. in 2012.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1288 times:

I think one reason for that is the dawn of the TV age, and the dawn of mass, instant communication.

Could a man, who is usually regarded as one of the three great presidents of all time, FDR, had been elected in the TV age? When he was a man who could not walk? I doubt it.

For better, and for worse, President's and candidates were able to hide more from the public in the past, than they can now. For one, in the "old days", there wasn't this instant, worldwide media, where the best way for a government to find out something immediately about a crisis is to watch CNN. And secondly, the media itself was more willing to go "off the record" and not report things, like that FDR was a parapalegic.

Remember, it wasn't really, until the President came back from Yalta in 1945, and, in remarks to a session of Congress said something like "I hope you don't mind if I make this speech sitting down, but I've just traveled 10,000 miles with 20 lbs of steel on my legs, and I'm quite exhausted", or something to that effect-that was the first MOST Americans knew that he couldn't walk without help!

I think that's one reason why we don't seem to have "great" presidents anymore, because media tends to strip then down to mere mortals these days.


User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1286 times:

rudy was an AMAZING mayor, no doubt.

As for this investigation, I think it's sad how people are tyrying to point fingers at everyone except the terrorists it seems.

I can understand the feelings of the families, I lost friends on 9/11, too. But to call what went on that morning "scandelous" as though someone was creating communication problems on purpose, or as though there was some blatant intentional neglect is just beyond stupid. STUPID.

These people need to deal with their loss and blame the people flying the planes and no one else.

9/11 was nothign any of us could have expected, anticipated or planned for. It was something no one has ever seen before, and you can't blame the emergency services for any errors, because they saved tens of thousands of people that day, bottom line.

-Phil



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5617 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1285 times:

As if I'm going to respond to anymore L-188 drivel..the year's not over.. but I'm over my limit...

ANYWAY, what if Clinton had attempted to booted Hillary and Chelsea out of the White House and bring Monica in..

This is exactly what the Great Mayor Guiliani attempted to do when the rumors of his catting around (as a married man) were confirmed. Now if L-188 blew a gasket over Clinton's suck job.. boy, you gotta wonder what he would have blown had Clinton booted out his wife and kid (before his hate-hillary meter hit the red zone).

Rudy is in no way any kind of man with principles. Nor is he noble or crafty, he just smart enough to know it counts to have good friends in the spin business. But judging by some of the people here.. he can walk on water.. scary, Pres. Rudy.. down right scary!Just when I thought nothing could be worse than Dubya.. someone proves me wrong!


BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1283 times:

Frankly I think it was fated that Guiliani had to drop out of that Senate race with Hilliary. So that he could be leading New York on 9/11.




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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5617 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1274 times:

Anyone see the half-assed chicken-shit response above? A complete failure to acknowledge (or equally condemn) Guiliani's infidelity...


BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1274 times:

Alpha1; good and valid points all, however I was mostly referring to performances/results. Even the most talented spin and the best media exposure cannot alter the performance curve, which was what I was suggesting.

It seems that all of the administrations I can remember have a decidedly wishy-washy curve when graphed. Some of their pluses outweigh the minuses and vice-versa. I wouldn't believe that anyone could reasonably expect ANY president's curve would be a rather straight line up like a Ferrari's tachometer under full throttle, but I would reasonably expect there not be so many hiccups with any administration governing the USA. I would also submit that it is a reasonable expectation that more professionalism be exhibited in Washington, DC. Unfortunately, politics has manifested itself into just another 'big business'.

Back to Rudy; it seems that BN747 has a lot more insight into New York City politics than I do, so as an outsider, I'll not offer any opinions other than repeat what I have previously said about thinking he handled his city's crises in an admirable way and should be applauded without reservation. Regards...Jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5617 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1269 times:

I don't miss much on the national scene Jack, but when Rudy was 'da' mayor'.. he had something cooking almost weekly.. it was as if he had his own daily paper -- about him-- when you're making that much news, you gobble up all the good news but there's no way you're escaping the bad. And he & the Donna Hanover debacle was not pretty.. Da' mayor did the wrong thing and handled it badly.. it set a terrible example. If he has a sense of timing this was good time to invoke it.


BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1267 times:

Boy, I never would have figured BN747 a follower of New York Tabloids.

I personally am not, so I apparently don't have that harsh citizim that BN747 and Alpha1 have.

I still think it was fated that Gulianni ended up serving out his second term rather then go on to the Senate.

Coincidence is an excuse to not believe in the higher cause.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
25 BN747 : I'll say it for him since he doesn't have the cajones... Fact: Clinton cheated on his wife... Fact: Guiliani cheated on his wife and wanted to throw t
26 L-188 : YAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is BN747 still here? What does Clinton have to do with Gulianni?
27 MaverickM11 : "the 9/11 families don't think so" Since when do the 9/11 bitches become experts and know exactly what happened that it's all Giuliani's fault?
28 777236ER : 9/11 bitches I think it's quite insulting you call the families of those who died on September 11th 2001 "9/11 bitches".
29 MaverickM11 : "I think it's quite insulting you call the families of those who died on September 11th 2001 "9/11 bitches" I'm only referring to the so called 9/11 w
30 777236ER : I'm only referring to the so called 9/11 widows who have become media whores for no good reason. I'm also referring to the bitch that screamed during
31 MaverickM11 : "You should have said that - you definatly implied that everyone who suffered from 9/11 was a "9/11 bitch"." Nope, just the 9/11 whores who are using
32 VSLover : a few things about this thread: 1--giuliani dropped from the senate race upon being diagnosed with prostate cancer 2--its not as though donna "i have
33 Alpha 1 : Maverick is just made because those people have the nerve to bash a true Republican hero like Rudi. Again, had a Democratic mayor or Prez had been in
34 FDXmech : Alpha, I and many others thought Giuliani would make a good President pre-9/11. His leadership (admittedly, along with his ego) was stunning in a city
35 STT757 : "And I love all this post-facto 9/11 love-in with Rudi, who was considered, at best, an average mayor before 9/11" This is really not accurate, the fa
36 BN747 : a few things about this thread: 1--giuliani dropped from the senate race upon being diagnosed with prostate cancer Yeah.. he announced that just as he
37 VSLover : HAHA, i dont endorse others. i am old enough to make my own "brash generalizations." it doesnt take take the loss of just a family member to be able t
38 Mark777300 : Being a resident of NY, I strongly sympathize with the families who lost loved ones on 9/11, as I too lost friends. But I still don't understand what
39 BN747 : Mark, the quest of the 9/11 families is to seek out who really failed here. They want and deserve someone to be held accountable so that they don't lo
40 VSLover : blah blah blah. i dont really care if you believe me or not. i know what i lived through. i must be confused, thanks. that clears up a lot for me actu
41 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Alpha, I and many others thought Giuliani would make a good President pre-9/11. That's not my problem, friend. Bush would definitely be looked upon mo
42 Bigphilnyc : Rudy's marriage didn't workout. Then he got a girlfriend. Maybe not the most moral thing, but that happens, and he handled it well I thought. Bill Cli
43 Mark777300 : To:BN747 I could understand that the families want answers and to hold someone accountable, but they're going to the wrong people. Giuliani would have
44 JeffM : "1--giuliani dropped from the senate race upon being diagnosed with prostate cancer ...... Hey, wait.. we haven't heard a word about it since then...
45 BN747 : VS, Ahh the theraphy and meds.. well that explains everything... Yeesh! You'll never be the same. JeffM, yank yank.. Phil, I don't know what he turned
46 MD-90 : Remember, it wasn't really, until the President came back from Yalta in 1945, and, in remarks to a session of Congress said something like "I hope you
47 BN747 : Matt, There's a thread running right now called 'FBI warns of suicide attacks'.. now if city gov'ts knew [not the general public like the other thread
48 STT757 : "I do know he took a hose to 42nd Street and made Times Square look like DisneyLand -- which sucks IMHO! I like it better when porn shops were every 3
49 BN747 : If you visited Times Square in the 1930s , 40s, 50s it would look much as it does today. Huge innovative bilboards and lots of small thearters and clu
50 VSLover : eh, wrong again. if you want to examine times square in architectural terms, more specifically in terms of skyline aesthete, then you're wrong. a majo
51 FDXmech : >>>So along with 60's arrived the infamous X-rated strip along and around 42nd St. That's a New York I'm very glad I got to experience (in the 80s act
52 BN747 : Akin to a New Yorker being nostalgic over the Blood/Crips gang war from 2000 miles away. Now there's a warped analogy.. but hey if floats you're boat
53 VSLover : stop blowing smoke when none is needed. then the point of your last post was....
54 BN747 : then the point of your last post was.... Not directed at you. I'm not sure you live in the city or not.. but I was stomping that city before you were
55 Post contains images FDXmech : >>>you're way off the mark.
56 Post contains images BN747 : Gritty and grungy New York style has implications for the people trying to successfully live their life in the city. Perhaps because you're a TV write
57 Post contains images L-188 : I love how when a republican is in charge it is, "Urban poverty and crime ridden" When a democrat is in charge it is, "grit and grunge......bit of an
58 BN747 : It's saturday night, I'm going out for some fun and hangover.. shouldn't you be outside counting and sorting out the republican moose from the democra
59 VSLover : and here i always thought i was bad with having to have the last word![Edited 2004-05-23 09:53:12]
60 Post contains images L-188 : There aren't republican Moose and democratic moose, only good pure ones, and socialist ones from Canada
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