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Nasser Hussain Retires  
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Posted (10 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 808 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/3753877.stm

A little short of the top class as a player perhaps, but Hussain almost singlehandedly dragged England from the depths in the late nineties as captain.

What a way to go out: A matchwinning hundred in his final innings, spanking the last three balls for four.

[Edited 2004-05-27 15:05:05]


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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 794 times:

Great way to go out.
Never realized he was 36 and contemplating retirement !


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 789 times:

Great way for him to go out.I hope he will stay involved in English cricket as he's a great character.

User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 783 times:

He's gone to be a commentator on Sky Sports!




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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2252 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 775 times:

Sad to see him go. His fighting hundred against the Kiwis at Lord's the other day showed everything he's about. Hussain played a huge role in moulding together the present English side, too bad he copped all the criticism for their failures when they were still in the process of reconstruction. I hope he didn't pass on his "Ask Giles to bowl at the leg umpire" wisdom to Vaughan though  Big grin

He's gone to be a commentator on Sky Sports!

Wouldn't he make a great pairup with Sidhu, who's a complete constrast to him ? Of course there's a chance he'll lose his sanity and rush to the English dressing room door screaming "let me back in there. I can't stand that bugger anymore!"





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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 770 times:

No doubt you your horror, Barfbag, but Daniel Vettori was at the same tactic on Monday you know.  Big grin

Sidhu's a nutcase. Simple as that. Big grin

I think most England fans (and probably most cricket fans around the world for that matter) are well aware that Hussain was the reason England managed to become a competitive side at the end of the nineties. The players were pretty dire in truth, yet he managed to turn them into a team who could take on (if not necessarily beat) everyone bar Australia.

If he'd managed to avoid breaking a finger every time someone shook hands with him he's have got that 100 Tests he wanted. Equally, if he'd avoided getting out in the most bizarre ways (if there was a grubber about, rest assured Hussain would get it; if the umpire were to make a mistake, Hussain would be the victim etc) he might even have finished with an average over 40.



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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2252 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 768 times:

Vettori as well ? I don't quite see why he needs to do it too. Unlike Giles, who probably thinks a spinner is someone who pirouettes around on taking a wicket, Vettori does know how to tweak the balll. What brought about the desperation ? Are the English reading him off the hand and in the air easily ?

I wouldn't criticize Hussain too much for his batting average. He had his hands quite full dealing with his ragtag team and the legions of the fourth estate who perennially had their knives pointed at him. Other captains have seen their batting suffer on account of far less a burden of responsibility.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 762 times:

Vettori seems rather low on confidence. Before this most recent Test he's gone five innings without taking a wicket, which incidentally coi-incided with his batting suddenly improving and him scoring a hundred!

He was trying to pitch in the footmarks,and it was undoubtedly turning a lot, but he's quite capable of turning it of the flat anyway, as he proved in this Test too. But it was a bit odd. NZ weren't going to stop England getting the runs, they had to bowl them out, and Hussain kept kicking him away. One or two of the commentators were pointing out the irony of Vettori using that tactic to get out the man who pretty much invented it.

But you're right about Giles spinning proclivities. As I said before though, if you have a spinner who moves the ball less than the seam bowlers, what else can he do? That was actually a typically shrewd Hussain move: "Right, our only spinner can't get the ball to move on a minefield, so what do we do?", boring to watch as it clearly was.

As for his average, I wouldn't criticise him. It's just that in future years those who never saw him may wonder why he's held in such high regard.



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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2252 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 748 times:

I wouldn't worry about Hussain not being held in high regard in future. Mike Brearley, who wasn't too much of a cricketer, but was a master tactician, still receives accolades. Maybe Hussain'll even go into popular lexicon with phrases like "throwing a Hussain" for bowling wide of leg, a la being "Mankaded" (in deference to Vinoo Mankad) when a bowler dismisses the nonstriker by knocking the bails off at his end during delivery  Smile

I'm surprised to hear about Vettori's lean run. Maybe its not so unexpected, considering the sheepfarms they play on out there - it really gets a bowler's goat  Big grin It certainly gave Ganguly and the rest of the Indian team the deer in front of headlight feeling the last time around.

Ah, well, in the finest disruptive traditions of the A.net cricket threads, what do you think about the whole Zimbabwe fiasco, particularly the forfeiture of the test series against Australia ? I think Ganguly's idea of a two-tier cricket system makes sense. Bangladesh and recently Zimbabwe just aren't cut out for regular test status.



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7442 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 11 hours ago) and read 730 times:
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Great way to go out - can't think of too many other players who have quit after scoring 100 in their last innings.

If I can indulge with the current game I'm seeing...has anyone seen a worse player than Sven Koenig? Forget that he scored 171 against Lancashire, it was truly one of the most dreadful innings I've ever seen; in the course of 6 and a half hours, I estimate that he timed the ball well on precisiely 5 occasions - it would be interested to see what the edges of his bat looks like as he scored most of his runs using them. Luckily, boredom was stopped for the 2nd innings as he was bowled in the 3rd over; one felt like giving a standing ovation for a score of 7, though any doctors who were seeking a cure for insomnia for their patients would have been distraught.

Oh, forgot that the Middlesex spinner Peploe also bowled into the footmarks today; on one memorable occasion, the whole Middlesex team appealed for a catch behind only to turn round and see the umpire signalling for a wide!

David


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 718 times:

Well, appealing for a catch in the hope that it'll stop the umpire signalling a wide is a time-honoured technique for trying to defeat the enemy standing at the stumps and square leg (yes, I'm a batsman!).  Big grin

Barfbag, on Zimbabwe etc, here's a rather unusually interesting article in the Times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,426-1124352,00.html



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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 717 times:

Cup of tea to celebrate chaps?


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 714 times:

You use a phrase like that talking about Nasser Hussain?  Wow!







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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 708 times:

Of course, it's not like he done anything worthwhile for the world is it?  Big grin


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 706 times:

I just can't think of anyone that less epitomises the "cup of tea" mentality, that's all.


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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 705 times:

I take it he was a cricketeer then? They all epitomise the cup of tea mentality  Big grin


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 702 times:

Ah, but that's point Kirkie. When Nasser took over that (albeit tongue in cheek) criticism was ever so apt. Another excellent article detailing his importance, not as player, but as a captain.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,426-1125975,00.html

He made a truly awful team competitive through sheer force of personality, and if England do indeed go on to become a very good side (and they have the makings of it), it's down to him.

I doubt that the irony of his initiatives being the ones that ultimately made him decide to retire are lost on him. Not a bad tribute, in fact.



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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2252 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 692 times:

Sorry Banco. I'm not a Times subscriber so the links don't work for me. As far as accolades in the press go, Hussain must be wincing a bit reading it all, considering the same writers probably spent the better part of the last half a decade hauling him over coals.


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 690 times:

Sorry, didn't realise you needed to be for that one.

Here's an extract:

Words of the fighting kind are overused in sport, but Hussain has always liked them himself. For Hussain, cricket and life have always been about fighting. He retired, he said, because there was less “fire in the stomach” than there had been. Presumably he knows, but that did not seem to be the case on Monday.

The early impression of Hussain as captain was of ruthless, unforgiving honesty. “We weren’t good enough,” he would say, taboo words for anyone in sport. But getting good enough was something that he gave himself up to with a startling degree of commitment. That same level of commitment was demanded of the players, and they gave it. They daren’t not.

For Hussain, adversity is a drug — a stimulant at that. He always batted best when England were up against it and he was a captain in the time of England’s greatest troubles. He took England from bottom to successive series wins again Zimbabwe, West Indies, Pakistan and Sri Lanka, the last two away.

England captains are traditionally measured by their results against Australia. There Hussain fails. But then so does everybody else in recent years, with the single and intermittent exception of India. I suggest that this measure is for once inappropriate. What Hussain did was harder and more important than any of those heroics against Australia.

Victories against Australia have always been achieved by England teams that could go toe-to-toe with any team in the world. Hussain took on an England side that was hopeless. He fought not cricketing opponents but the enemy within — the sneaking, insidious culture of defeatism, the weasel in the heart of the English pro.

And he won. And it is a far more significant victory than any Ashes win, no matter how glorious. Hussain’s achievement was not glorious at all but infinitely more important. It ended ten years of cricketing torment. Let us find the roadside corpse of some luckless carstruck weasel, cremate it, place the ashes in a small urn and present it to Hussain. Hussain: the man that slew the weasel of defeatism — the greatest achievement of any England captain in history.




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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2252 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 683 times:

He fought not cricketing opponents but the enemy within — the sneaking, insidious culture of defeatism, the weasel in the heart of the English pro.

That's a bit of hyperbole isn't it ? I've seen several English teams do badly in recent years, but in most cases they tried, even if they lacked the ammunition for the attempt to amount to much. I would agree that England have been woefully outgunned in recent times, but I don't think I'd say they never tried.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 682 times:

I agree that it's hyperbole. But the spineless performances were certainly there. It is one thing he did stop. The whole issue with Hussain was that while they might be outgunned, they always fought hard. I'm not sure that's completely true of before he was captain.


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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 668 times:

Yes it is a great way for Hussain to go out! Now Vaughan can take his place in the second test, what a debut for Strauss!

On the other hand NZ weren't great at all, except 1 or 2 Individual performances.

As for Vettori yes he is struggling with his bowling, hopefully he will regain some confidence and get back to somewhere near his best.


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