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US Vs. Canada- What Do We Know?  
User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

Having lived in both Canada and the US, I've noticed something...Canadians know more about the US than most US citizens know about Canada. Most Canadians can have an intelligent conversation about the US, it's govt. etc. Most US citizens know very little about Canada except for beer, hockey and mooses. I remember when I was in first and second grades in Canada, we were exposed to both Canadian and US holidays and some lower level subjects pertaining to govt. I also wonder if it's because most larger Canadian cities are fairly close to US markets, radio and TV. I find it I guess, kind of amusing as Canada's PM lives in my grandparents old farmhouse in the Eastern Townships in Quebec. And sadly I have to admit, I'm very ignorant of a lot of Canadian govt. Matters.


Ah, Summer, Fenway Park, Boston Red Sox and Beer.....
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User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2278 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

I agree with your assessments. I grew up in Canada, and geography was required in school. That, and being so close to the U.S. border, led students to learn more about the U.S. than U.S. students learn about Canada.

For instance, how many in the States know a Canadian election is around the corner?

I just wish more people in the States would show more interest in the neighbor to the north -- great people, beautiful country, decent prices with the exchange rate, another culture in Quebec. A great place to visit -- and live.



Free-thinking, left-leaning secularist
User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

I have a great deal of trouble trying to debate subject such as health care and gun control with Americans for exactly the reasons you raise Iflyatldl. We have to go through the entire catalog of myths and misunderstandings about Canada, Canadians and our governement first.

As far as many down there are concerned we're just a bunch of dim-witted commies that are leaching off them.


User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1843 times:

As far as many down there are concerned we're just a bunch of dim-witted commies that are leaching off them.

You're not dim-witted.



"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineZrb2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

Many US citizens that grow up in border areas (like myself in Buffalo) know plenty about Canada. Heck, we watch Canadian TV and we know the words to "Oh Canada" and hum the tune more easily than our own national anthem. We also hang out in Canada alot and even have summer homes there. I agree for the rest of the U.S., however, little attention is paid to Canadian topics. For instance, on the National News programs here, Canada is hardly mentioned (oh, occassionally you'll see a report about the prescription drug policy or maybe a SARS story). On Canadian news shows, it seems like half the topics are U.S. stories.

User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

Most Canadians can have an intelligent conversation about the US, it's govt.

Thats because over 60% of our tv channels are American, CNN, Fox, NBC, etc. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but whatever happens in the US, Canada knows about it, but it does not work the other way around. I don't think many Americans have CBC broadcasted.

Another thing has to do with schooling. I remember in grade 6 or 7, we had to learn about the civil war and the basic history of the US and how it was formed. We are taught much of American history and culture, altoght I'm not sure if many Americans know much about Canadian history.

I think its better if more Canadians know about Americans, because in time of crisis, or war, its better if you have the world's only superpower as your neighbor. Thats why I'm voting for the Conservatives, they are more infavour of working with Americans, rather then against them, like the LIEberals.


User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1794 times:

I wish we had more access to Canadian television like areas closer to the border. I try to read the Montreal Gazette online and CTV on line, but it's not quite the same. And I've noticed when I was thinking about getting a dish, none of the providers offer Canadian television access, but you can get as many European and South American channels as you want. Go Figure!  Insane


Ah, Summer, Fenway Park, Boston Red Sox and Beer.....
User currently offlineCanuckpaxguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

Let me preface the following comments with "No offense".

I've noticed that Canadians get awfully defensive when Americans don't know "enough" about our culture while we know "so much" about theirs.

Truth is, we're no different than any other country in the world. We know lots about the USA because of the international media giant they are...Period. We Canadians (as a whole, not individually), don't know that much about other countries either; unless we have some sort of cultural connection or specific interest.

For example, China is a major trading partner with Canada. Aside from Canadians of Chinese decent, or those who have spent time in Asia, how much do we REALLY know about China? Not as much as you think probably. They eat rice (we drink beer), live in overcrowded areas (we live in igloos) and all ride bikes (like our dog-sleds).

Everyone in the WORLD knows more about the USA than the USA knows about them. Right or wrong, it's true. But don't forget to take a look in our own backyard. We really can't blame Americans for being ignorant of other cultures because we're just as ignorant for the most part.

Now as a neighbour, I agree it would be great to see more Americans spending their tourist dollars here and I invite anyone come to our great(est) country...but you can't take it personally when an American doesn't know everything about Canada.

There are also some added perks...A few good chuckles. (Remember Rick Mercer's "Talking To Americans"?). A very nice couple from Milwaukee recently told me how impressed they were with my English once they discovered I was from Toronto. Always a good laugh.

Now, as a good Canadian, I suggest we continue to point out everything Canadian in American culture and thank Alex Trebek for negotiating in his contract that every episode of Jeopardy! contains at least one question (answer) about Canada.

G


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1775 times:

The NFL should adapt the rules of the CFL

Greg



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User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1769 times:

Canuckpaxguy: No offense taken in the least, at least from me. I guess I'm just speaking as a person who has roots in both countries and proud of it! I get annoyed I think more with myself when I can't remember simple Canadian holidays or govt proceedures. I guess part of the reason Canadians do seem to know more about the US IS because of many Canadian major cities proximity to the US. But, I guess what you're saying is true, everybody can't know everything about everybody. Big grin


Ah, Summer, Fenway Park, Boston Red Sox and Beer.....
User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1765 times:

There's a disturbing trend amongst Canadians, particularily young ones and those easily swayed, in that it's popular to bash anything and everything American. In fact, many Canadians actually define their "Canadianism" by how much they dislike - or hate - Americans.

Sigh.......



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineCanuckpaxguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1759 times:


You're so right Goose!
I hate hearing those comments....and they usually come from Canadians calling Americans "ignorant"! How ironic!

Isn't it sad that members of a culture as great as ours should choose to define themselves by isolating differences between our neighbours?

Pity, eh?

G





User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29699 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

Actually it always amazes me how much false advertising there is about Canada. I went to a restaurant one time for some of that "south of the border" Canadian cusine, and it really amazed me how much it tasted like Mexican food.

fact, many Canadians actually define their "Canadian" by how much they dislike - or hate - Americans.

unfortunately that doesn't appear to be a trait that is limited to just Canada.






OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineRindt From Germany, joined May 2000, 930 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1731 times:

Jutes,

" think its better if more Canadians know about Americans, because in time of crisis, or war, its better if you have the world's only superpower as your neighbor. Thats why I'm voting for the Conservatives, they are more infavour of working with Americans, rather then against them, like the LIEberals."

Conservatives more in favour of working with Americans? The last I checked, the door should swing both ways. Americans in general want everything from Canada, without giving anything back. (read - natural resources). You know much about the softwood lumber issues? I'm sure Mr. Harper would be great  Big grin

You seem to be forgetting this is Canada - our country. It's about time we worry about doing what's good for OUR country, instead of trying to impress and "make friends" with the US. You think Bush gives a shit about trade relations with Canada? He can't even find Canada on a map.


A liberal Canada + Democrat elected US = good times.

GO LIBERAL!

-Rob







What other people think of you is none of your business!
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29699 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

The last I checked, the door should swing both ways. Americans in general want everything from Canada, without giving anything back. (read - natural resources).

Umm, horse-pucky.

Do we want to discuss the 96-97 BC-Alaska salmon war?

What province was bitiching about Alaska fisherman taking too many salmon, but on their end was only counting commercially caught salmon taken by their fisherman, as opposed to the Alaska Department of fish and game that was counting both sport and commercially caught salmon in it's totals.

Fisherman in what province held a US flagged, vessel of the Alaska Marine highway system hostage for 3 days in Prince Rupert.

Can you guess what countries law enforcement refuese to breakup the illegal blockade? Would you believe it took a federal court order from that countries court system, not the US to force the Mounties to break up the blockade.

What country did the Alaska Marine Highway system have to stop port calls in because of concerns over ship and passenger safety relating to the blockade.


Glenn Clarke losing his job was one of the best things that could ever happend to US-Canada relations.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineRindt From Germany, joined May 2000, 930 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1720 times:

"Do we want to discuss the 96-97 BC-Alaska salmon war?

What province was bitiching about Alaska fisherman taking too many salmon, but on their end was only counting commercially caught salmon taken by their fisherman, as opposed to the Alaska Department of fish and game that was counting both sport and commercially caught salmon in it's totals."

Yeah - this is where Alaskan ships waited just off of international waters to catch the full-grown sockeye's as they were coming back to spawn in Canadian waters. Guess that's our fault somehow .

And don't even mention Glenn Clarke... the absurd business decisions he made are astounding. Fast-Ferries anyone? Lions Gate Bridge Fiasco? I was never in favour of him - never have been in favour for a party which is overly pro-union.

Your next statement was a classic : "Actually it always amazes me how much false advertising there is about Canada. I went to a restaurant one time for some of that "south of the border" Canadian cusine, and it really amazed me how much it tasted like Mexican food."

You don't say... TacoBell is a Mexican fast-food chain afterall  Big grin

Couldn't resist  Smile

Cheers,
-Rob






What other people think of you is none of your business!
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29699 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

Actually, Rob I stole that line from a telephone company commercial up here about a guy wanting to call Nana back in Alberta.

The guy in the adds is the same one that used to play "Mr. Peterman" on Seinfeld.

It is a good thing GW wasn't in charge in 96 eh? If the canadians taking shots at US fishermen wasn't bad enough, we had that whole Malispina blockade. We would have invaded. No way that would would have stood for 300 hostages being taken.




OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29699 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

Not to change the subject, but yall you do realize that most of British Columbia by treaty should be part of the United States.

I need to tell the full story here.

British Claims on the area where based on Vancouvers expedition, however the Russian America company was the one that was establishing a series of permanent outposts that ran as far down south to Fort Ross on the border of the Spanish territory that was known as "California"

in 1925 a 10 year agreeement was signed between the Russian America Company of Russia and the Hudson Bay company that set borders on their areas of operations. The borders of each companies area of operations where defined and are resonably close to the current Alaska/Yukon/BC borders.

Commencing from the Southern-most Point of the Island called Prince of Wales Island, which Point lies in the parallel of 54 degrees 40 minutes, North Latitude, and between the 131st and 133d Degree of West Longitude (Meridian of Greenwich), the said line shall ascend to the North along the Channel called Portland Channel, as far as the Point of the Continent where it strikes the 56th Degree of North Latitude; from this last mentioned Point the line of demarcation shall follow the summit of the mountains situated parallel to the Coast, as far as the point of intersection of the 141st Degree of West Longitude (of the same Meridian); and, finally, from the said point of intersection, the said Meridian Line of the 141st Degree, in its prolongation as far as the Frozen Ocean, shall form the limit between the Russian and British Possessions on the Continent of America to the North West.

Original document:http://www.explorenorth.com/library/history/bl-ruseng1825.htm

The British where always very keen on violating the 1825 treaty between Great Britian and Russia that prohibitied the Hudson Bay Company from operating in Alaska, or more correctly. A number of outposts illegally within Russian America where established. Ft. Yukon and Rampart Alaska play this fact out. Both are clearly inside the 141 west longitude that still forms the border between Alaska and Yukon

In 1833 the HBC attempted to established a trading post on the Stikini River in Alaskan territory in 1833 to intercept Tlinget-russian trade. The not accepting the HBC claims of a trade monopoly the Tlinget sacked the Fort in 1852.

In 1867 the Russian Territory was sold to the United States.

A discovery of gold in the Cassier in 1870 brought the border issue to a head. Preisident Grant had a survey expidition that work mapping the border.


The influx of prospectors twenty years later headed for the Yukon gold fields really almost brought the two countries at war, with the Canadians setting up outposts equiped with Gatling guns for fire support at locations they felt the border was and sending 200 troops to occupy the area around the southern end of Lake Bennet. An area that the US recognized as it's territory. There is at least one case of a threatened raid on one of these outposts by minors, who promised to, "Shoot the Canadian flag down"

In 1898 negotiations between the US and Canada over the border broke apart so a tribunal was set-up to determine a border based on the original 1825 HBC-RAC document. That document set up trading areas, sort of a non-compete agreement. It was not intended to set national borders. As clearly shown by the RAC presence down the coast from Alaska to Washington, Oregon and California, they considered that whole territory part of their empire.

The problem is that 1898 tribunal used a document from 1825, and was only supposed to apply for 10 years. And the references to the purchase in the 1867 document where made to that 1825 document also. Hover the 1867 document also speciflical retains Prince of Wales of Island as russian territory. This island would later be ceeded over to the US also, but that cession should also have included the rest of the BC coastline down to Washington State.

http://www.explorenorth.com/library/yafeatures/bl-Alaska1867.htm


EDIT:To tell the truth I think the people of BC are an abandoned people, who don't live under the liberty of low taxes, Not VAT and the english measuring system. They are hostages to a unrespossive goverment half a world away, under a cruel leader who they can't even elect directly.

Too bad, Cretian isn't in office anymore, a photo of him and a MIDI of the Imperial march from Star Wars would be great right here

These people yearn for there freedom, to live in a society where you don't have to by gas by the litre, and I think that the US should commit all of it's resources, spritial, moral and militarially to ensure that they get it.  Laugh out loud

[Edited 2004-05-29 11:02:53]


OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4626 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

"Not to change the subject, but yall you do realize that most of British Columbia by treaty should be part of the United States."

With the exception of Vancouver you wouldn't want BC (Canada's trailer park). Vancouver is nice, but the interior...eeeesh.


"These people yearn for there freedom"

Nah, all that Most BCer's yearn for is a case of beer and a joint. I've had the pleasure of working with some BC squatters errrrr migrants here in YYC. They usually live with 7 other BCers (in a 2 bedroom apartment) still manage to not have rent money almost every month. Not the mention the lone car in the group is so run down you wonder how the hell they got it all the way to Calgary in the first place. Ah well, I shouldn't complain. Somebody has to wash dishes and bag groceries!  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up  Big grin  Big grin



Word
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29699 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1683 times:

Come to think of it, we still need to go back and kick their arse for burning the capital in 1812

We haven't forgotten.  Pissed



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1633 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1680 times:

I think the American vs Canadian view of each other is rather normal. It might be disappointing to many Canadians but still logical nonetheless. The USA is a mega economy with crucial links through political, business, industrial and military ties to every reagion around the world. Canada, although one of their biggest trading partners if not still the biggest, is really a minor player in their overall concerns.. With only 35 million people (is that still acurate?) we amount to less than the size of New York state in terms of population. California probably has a much bigger economy than all of Canada. Furthermore the US is so self contained the need to look outside it's borders for many things from cars, airplanes, entertainment, food, minerals etc is pretty much unnecessary.

Canadians on the other hand are much less independant, live along the border with the USA, like much of the world consumes it's culture including fast food, magazines, TV, music and movies to the detriment of our own offerings in those areas.. so it doesn't surprise me at all Canadians vigorously watch the USA with a mixture of awe, digust, jealousy, appreciation, repulse and admiration all thrown together... leaving the Americans to occasionally glance north when we actually manage to do something to catch their attention. We pick the best things from their society and try and leave the worse down south. We fly their planes, drive their cars along side those of others but none of our own (except the CRJ), criticize their government and lay on their beaches..

I often wonder how Canadians would be if we had a population and economy 10x larger than what it is now. Instead of 4 cities with 1 million people we might have 30 or 40.. our role in the world politically and economically would be ten times more influential and the decisions we would make would be of a scale that could effect the world... America would have to pay greater attention to us and our cultural and economic influence on them. Would we be as effective and as liked or disliked as the Americans? Would they respect us more because of the power we would have? Would we even have the same character as a people with all that power an influence? It's easy to stand back and judge but another thing to be in the drivers seat.

[Edited 2004-05-29 16:33:41]

User currently offlineCanuckpaxguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1680 times:


Good thoughts Caribb,
Actually, I believe we ARE the USA's largest trading partner.

On a side point, I've never had the impression that Canadians were actually disliked by Americans. Are we?

L-188 - Yeah, sorry about whole "buring down the capital" thing. We just thought you needed a new building. Did you get the insurance money yet?

G



User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29699 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1675 times:

Nope, not even the .70 cents on the dollar, with the exchage rate.

I belive you are correct, also I believe that since WWII Canadian companies have been able to bid on US military contract on equal footing with US companies.




OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

Canada has always had an identity crisis---being the loft above America is not easy. Plus, the entire population of the country can practically fit in New York state.

For that reason I think they do a fair amount of US bashing for no other reason than to get noticed.

It's true, we dump thousands of tons of acid rain and pollution on them monthly. But then again, they gave us Celine Dion and k.d. lange.

So I guess we're even.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1650 times:

I've never had the impression that Canadians were actually disliked by Americans.

Not disliked. Ignored, because we are irrelevant.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
25 Yyz717 : For that reason I think they do a fair amount of US bashing for no other reason than to get noticed. That's not it. Some Cdns think that in order to d
26 Post contains images L-188 : Some Cdns think that in order to differentiate ourselves from the US, we have to badmouth the US and oppose all their policies. See that is that Fren
27 CPDC10-30 : The last I checked, the door should swing both ways. Americans in general want everything from Canada, without giving anything back Rindt, you're spe
28 Goose : Canada benefits far more from bilateral trade with the United States than you make it seem. Indeed, they are by far our largest trading partner for bo
29 Scf158 : I grew up not knowing americans and i got a pretty bad image of them. I didnt feel safe when i went to the states because i thought everyone got mugge
30 Travelin man : Speaking from an American viewpoint, I've been to Canada three time (twice to YVR, once to YUL). In some ways Canada and the USA are almost indistingu
31 L-188 : And then there is the gravy on the french fries thing. Why aren't more Canadian 300 pounders just because of that alone?
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