Sponsor Message:
Non Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
USA Citizens: Stop Using So Much Oil!  
User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 13196 times:

USA have around 5 % of the worlds population but use 25 % of the oil that is produced every year. Can that continue? No. The first thing to do is to DOUBLE the gas prices. And to start buying smaller cars that use less petrol.

316 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13187 times:

The U.S. will always use more fuel than elsewhere, simply because of the way the U.S. is set up. A general and historic dislike of high-density living, and the resultant far-flung suburbs make for very difficult problem for mass transit in most areas, and private cars seems to be the only solution for most Americans, unless you want to tear everything down and start from scratch.

But I agree that Americans are far too attached to cars and SUVs that weigh 2 or 3 tons. Let's face it, how often do you fill up the back of that Suburban? Wouldn't you be financially better off having a smaller car and renting a U-Haul when you need something bigger? Maybe it's a form of George Carlin's "bigger dick" theory at work here...

Charles


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13178 times:

It was only a matter of time before someone decided to place the blame on the US for all of this. While the US uses more than anyone else, they also produce more than most, have more land than most, and more people than most.

While I do agree that the US needs to make efforts to streamline its use a little, to blame them for the current crisis is just more of the same ole BS that usually gets fired at them.

The arab nations do NOT want the price of Oil to fall, and especially not to fall very far as they are the main benefactors to these inflated oil prices. 43 dollars a barrel is great for them.

In today's OPEC meeting Iran specifically objected to the raise in production of oil as they did not want to the price tumble.


User currently offlineJaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13176 times:

USA have around 5 % of the worlds population but use 25 % of the oil that is produced every year.
Also the USA accounts for 25% of global gas emissions and 36% of emissions from the industrialised world.. not good. Hope it changes someday..

Tom


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13175 times:

Think I'll go fill up my gas guzzling 10 miles per gallon SUV, drive that bitch till its empty, fill it up again, throw out a couple middle fingers and do it all over again.

Oh, and for Bofredrik and Jaspike -


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13161 times:

Also the USA accounts for 25% of global gas emissions and 36% of emissions from the industrialised world.. not good. Hope it changes someday..
****

Maybe if some of the other countries that had huge populations paid their citizens more than a bowl of rice a day, then they too would be able to afford a car, or a stereo or many of the other things that Oil goes towards producing. I am even willing to bet that the box of tissues from KROC would have used up some oil along the way.


User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13151 times:

I actually saw a very interesting interview on CNN international yesterday. The guy who was being interviewed was some editorial guy from National Geographics. I can't remember his name. But he told some very interesting things about the us of oil.
You practicly use oil for everything. Even when you make a napkin case like KROC showed above you used a hell of a lot of oil.

I was actually amazed when he told how much oil the world uses to get thru the day. I can't really remember the figures. But damn they were high!

And of course the big SUV's have a small responsibility for this. But guys. Have you looked around on european roads? You see SUV's everywhere and big mercedes, BMW's and Range Rovers and many more.

So just blame this on the americans is pretty wrong IMO.


User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13142 times:

Maybe if some of the other countries that had huge populations paid their citizens more than a bowl of rice a day, then they too would be able to afford a car, or a stereo or many of the other things that Oil goes towards producing. I am even willing to bet that the box of tissues from KROC would have used up some oil along the way.

That's great logic just because westerners get paid more money that gives us the right to consume the world in our own arrogance. Just because we can doesn't mean we should.

We can't keep sticking our head's in the sand and think everything is going to be fine. We know the blame is not all down to the US, but a line in the sand is going to have to been drawn sooner or later before we completely screw the planet up.



British Airways - The Way To Fly
User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 33
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13142 times:

Have you looked around on european roads? You see SUV's everywhere and big mercedes, BMW's and Range Rovers and many more.
*****

Please delete your comment, this does not fit into my plan at all...

signed
Bofredrik


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13136 times:

Not that many big SUV's down this end of the world - you try fitting a Ford Explorer down some of the side streets in Nice or Antibes - the thing would raplidly become a permanent feature.

User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13132 times:

That's great logic just because westerners get paid more money that gives us the right to consume the world in our own arrogance. Just because we can doesn't mean we should.
***

The point I was making, and was also made by QIguy24 is that Oil gets used up in the production of almost everything (if not everything). Thus the US being a leading producer of many things, and having a large wealthy population, they consume more than others. Even if you took all the large SUV's off the road, it would make about 1% of a difference to the overall use of oil.

Unless the US moves back into the dark ages along with the likes of Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq etc, they are going to use lots of oil. This is just a fact of life. China and India use a ridiculous amount of oil also, and their use of it is rising massively. More people making more things for more people to buy.

Except of course in Sweden where no one uses any oil, drives any SUV's and certainly does not use any oil for any sort of manufacturing...


User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13127 times:

JGPH1A

What end of the world are you from?  Big grin
I see at least 3 SUV's on my way to the bus every morning. And that is only a 5 min. walk Big grin And that is in Basel.
And the streets here are absolutly tiny. I wonder my self what the heck they need it for..

Oh, and by the way if you try to search for SUV's under a used carsales homepage in Germany, Sweden or Norway I'll bet you will find a lot  Big grin

[Edited 2004-06-03 13:55:24]

User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13130 times:

you try fitting a Ford Explorer down some of the side streets in Nice or Antibes
***

I do recall seeing plenty of Ferarri Testarossa cruising around in Nice, and do not recall having any problems navigating our gas guzzling V12 Jaguar around the streets of Juan Les Pins, which is in Antibes.


J


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13125 times:

I live in the S. of France - French roads tend to squeeze in as many lanes as possible for some reason, making the purchase of big ol' SUV a bit dangerous, as you are liable to hit the guy next to you even if you stay in the middle of your lane. You really don't see that many - most of the SUV's you do see are Brits in Range-Rovers or Germans in BMW X5's.

User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13115 times:

"Have you looked around on european roads? You see SUV's everywhere and big mercedes, BMW's and Range Rovers and many more."

you see very few, especially in comparison to the u.s.


"The point I was making, and was also made by QIguy24 is that Oil gets used up in the production of almost everything (if not everything)."
the problem is not oil or gas but yes, the overall use which you correctly pointed out

"Thus the US being a leading producer of many things,"
hate to break it to you, but the u.s. is not a lead producer of things anymore. you either have the quantity products from asia or the quality products from europe. in the world market, except arms, u.s. produced products play a very small role. the majority of u.s. production is made up of inferior products for the u.s. domestic market(cars are a good example). even u.s. companies in general produce in different locations because you can get a better productivity in asia and better quality of manufacture in europe/japan. which leads to the next point

"and having a large wealthy population,they consume more than others."
indeed, the consumption is the crux to the oil problem. it has not so much to do with the wealth people have in the u.s., but how its spent.

"Even if you took all the large SUV's off the road, it would make about 1% of a difference to the overall use of oil."
limit suvs to people who need them like hunters, encourage energy saving and raise the price for electricity and raise awareness of water and electricity saving behaviour and you will have a shitload of a difference.

"Unless the US moves back into the dark ages along with the likes of Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq etc, they are going to use lots of oil. This is just a fact of life. China and India use a ridiculous amount of oil also, and their use of it is rising massively. More people making more things for more people to buy."

if you go visit various countries with a great record on enviromental issues, you would discover that the daily life and infrastructure is in fact alot more advanced then the one in the u.s.
maybe the u..s should come out of the dark ages?


"Except of course in Sweden where no one uses any oil, drives any SUV's and certainly does not use any oil for any sort of manufacturing..."
of course people do, but despite the long swedish winter and harsh road conditions, people still manage to consume less oil per captia.
and mind you sweden has a very low population density, buying power at least equal to that of the u.s. and a weather that is perfect for high energy use scenarios due to COLD winters and HOT summers.



10=2
User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13107 times:

Zak,

I know there aren't as many as in the US. I think they have to many compared to what they need it for. But I think it's wrong for europeans to blame it on the US when we drive in exactly the same cars here.


User currently offlineJaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13089 times:

Wow, it's amazing how worked up people can get when I just posted a fact, not an attack or anything... Jesus..

User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13090 times:

" But I think it's wrong for europeans to blame it on the US when we drive in exactly the same cars here."

we dont. just because a few random idiots drive suvs over here doesnt mean that the average cars are similar.
in europe cars are in general smaller and consume less fuel. besides that as i pointed out before, the main problem is not just consumption of fuel by cars, but energy consumption in general due to the non existant ecological awareness and the largely "dark ages" infrastructure in houses etc.
a good example is the new york problem: living in certain older houses, in winter the heating is centrally turned on, but to regulate it you have to use the air condition.



10=2
User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 33
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13094 times:

hate to break it to you, but the u.s. is not a lead producer of things anymore.
****

Is that so, who do you think is the world's largest exporter of Agricultural products is ?, never mind farming equipment and literally hundreds of other items..., look it up, the US while clearly not the leader in everything, produces and exports a ridiculous amount of items each year.

you would discover that the daily life and infrastructure is in fact alot more advanced then the one in the u.s.
***

Of this I have no doubt. The problem for me is that I am more of the opinion that we should be living a more simple life, and living of the land in a self sustaining community would be fantastic, but It just pisses me off when people just decide to attack the US for everything. I am not even American.

J


User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13081 times:

While the US uses more than anyone else, they also produce more than most, have more land than most, and more people than most.

How stupid !!

Can't you read Artsy ?
Your country is by far the first in term of oil / inhabitant.

More people than most ? LOL !

Maybe if some of the other countries that had huge populations paid their citizens more than a bowl of rice a day, then they too would be able to afford a car

If India and China lived the same way as Americans, oil would be a rare good, and extremely expensive.

Another interesting point: the CO2 released in the atmosphere is going to reach a maximum in about 1 century. Why a maximum ? Just because the earth cannot physically stand more than a limit. The effects will be simple but radicals, and the USA won't be spared by the consequences.
I would prefer if Americans were a little smarter and decided to drive smaller and efficient cars, and develop cleaner electricity. But considering the answers by KROC and other smart guys, they are not on the good way.


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13076 times:

Euros whining about America? Damn, this is a new concept...

First of all, I don't know why you guys are bashing SUVs. Most of them get fairly good gas mileage for the weight of the vehicle. Not only that, but there are plenty of luxury sedans which get terrible gas mileage. Why don't you bitch at Europeans for owning 7-series and Mercedes tank-mobiles? European cities are more centralized than American cities--thus making using mass transit a more viable and convenient alternative. You go 10 miles outside of Paris and you're hitting farm land. You go 10 miles outside of Los Angeles and you're basically still in the big city.

Here, Europe, we'll make you a deal--if you stop playing soccer, we'll stop driving SUVs.

BTW, Zak, do they award trophies in Germany to the most anti-American citizen? If so, you'll definitely be in the running. Now go cry some more.



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13077 times:

Zak,

I know both you and Jaspike don't blame the US for this. But if you read BoFredriks post you see it clearly that some Europeans blame the US.

But I agree with you that they could do something about their houses. Get them well isolated helps alot. We did it to our house when I lived in Denmark. We saved a lot of money on energy. And Energy needs oil to keep it going. And there we probably saved alot of oil as well.


User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13063 times:

Honestly! Per capita many developed nations use as much fuel as americans!

When oh when will people stop blaming the US for every single bad thing in the world?? Their use of oil is a trend shared by many countries.

QFF


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 33
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13064 times:

Can't you read Artsy ? Your country is by far the first in term of oil
****

My country is the first ? Scotland leads the world in Oil consumption ?, or maybe my second home of 17 years, Canada leads the world in Oil consumption ?

Guess where the largest growth in SUV sales worldwide comes from ?

Europe and the US... Europe, read it, Europe...Europe....


User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13047 times:

Our European friends seem to think that the US should only use oil when it is to put in our tanks and airplanes when they are need to save Europe from one of its self-created problems.

25 Sebolino : Artsyman, you are now trying to twist the facts ? The most important is obviously not the level of consumption, but the effort made by the country and
26 Donder10 : More people than most ? LOL ! The US has the world's 4th largest population and should stay there with a predicted population of 500M by 2050 accordin
27 Post contains images KROC : Have you looked around on european roads? You see SUV's everywhere and big mercedes, BMW's and Range Rovers and many more. ***** Please delete your co
28 Post contains images GKirk : Moaning about the US using too much oil...sheesh... Can't we just moan about the (body) odour coming from France
29 Mrniji : Maybe if some of the other countries that had huge populations paid their citizens more than a bowl of rice a day, then they too would be able to affo
30 N6376m : Mrniji - So are you saying that those people who don't "want [to] live the western lifestyles of consume, driving cars, getting drunk, losing values a
31 Post contains images Gman94 : Here, Europe, we'll make you a deal--if you stop playing soccer, we'll stop driving SUVs. We'll stop playing football (it's not soccer) when you yanks
32 SlamClick : Gman94 wrote: That's great logic just because westerners get paid more money that gives us the right to consume the world in our own arrogance. Just b
33 Gman94 : Maybe if some of the other countries that had huge populations paid their citizens more than a bowl of rice a day, then they too would be able to affo
34 Post contains links Klaus : KROC: Stop shooting holes in the theory that only Americans "live in excess". That´s indeed a silly assumption. Americans have contributed quite a fe
35 Zak : "BTW, Zak, do they award trophies in Germany to the most anti-American citizen? If so, you'll definitely be in the running. Now go cry some more." hon
36 Airplay : Its not just oil. Its water and other natural resources. And its not that they overuse, its that they don't replenish. So why don't they change? For t
37 Post contains images MxCtrlr : Let's face it, how often do you fill up the back of that Suburban? In my case, its an Expedition and I have seven people in my family that I take all
38 777heavy : 1. This thread isn't bashing against the US of A! 2. But Bofredrik, Jaspike and ZAK are both right with their statements. If we (Europeans and America
39 Goingboeing : I see at least 3 SUV's on my way to the bus every morning. And that is only a 5 min. walk And that is in Basel. And the streets here are absolutly tin
40 Zak : "As far as cutting back on gas, I live 60 miles (96 km) from my job. What do you propose, I quit my high-paying job and take one paying 1/3 as much?"
41 Goingboeing : I have a thought for those who have the "right" to drive the Hummers to the grocery store...In America, one of the things you guys really like it the
42 QIguy24 : Goingboeing, Well, Basel isn't exactly a suburban area. You hardly can't get parkinglots here in the first place. And like I wrote earlier as well, I
43 Cptkrell : O.K., let's assume for the sake of an argument, the USA uses too much gasoline for it's larger vehicles than say, Europe in general, and Europe is bas
44 Post contains images L410Turbolet : Obviously many didn't get Bofredrik's point of SUVs being only AN EXAMPLE and it was only a matter of time before KROC, Jcs17, Artysman and couple of
45 QIguy24 : One word for you here Cptkrell: TAXES!! Normal taxes and enviroment taxes. That is why it's so damn expensive over here.
46 Garnetpalmetto : Zak...pardon my ignorance, but what's a Lupo?
47 Post contains images KEESJE : Having gas guzling SUV's or guns has seldom to do with functionality IMO. Other things are perceived more important. Egocentric ? Perhaps..
48 L410Turbolet : Let's face it, how often do you fill up the back of that Suburban? In my case, its an Expedition and I have seven people in my family that I take all
49 Post contains images Klaus : The high fuel taxation in Europe has been one of the driving forces behind the technological innovation tempo in our car industry that has basically l
50 Post contains images 777heavy : Klaus but buying a car (SUV) is painless 777heavy
51 Post contains links L410Turbolet : Garnetpalmetto: VW LUPO: http://www.volkswagen.de/home/index_.htm Not that fuel officiency of a considerably more versatile and useful 1.4TDI VW Polo
52 Post contains images Klaus : 777heavy: but buying a car (SUV) is painless If you say so... but I´d certainly suffer under the embarrassment of being seen in it!
53 Jcs17 : "Basic model of Focus in Europe comes with 1.4 16v Duratec engine, just what you need to get you from point A to point B. Exactly the same basic Focus
54 Post contains images QIguy24 : First of all, diesel fuel is dirtier than regular unleaded fuel. Secondly, not very many Americans own manual transmission cars because of traffic. Ma
55 Garnetpalmetto : Maybe because in the US, Grand Voyager is not sold with that engine at all? The Grand Voyager isn't even sold in the US, nor is the Lupo to my knowled
56 QIguy24 : What the hell is the difference between Grand Voyager and Grand Caravan????
57 L410Turbolet : Jcs17, you really need to grow-up. I tell you what, print all your a.net posts, save them and read in 10-15 years. There's no guarantee you'll not bec
58 777heavy : Jcs17 What means 17 in your nick? 17 years old? Because that's the level of your post. Try to read some books not only comics and porn mags! Maybe it
59 Goingboeing : O.K., let's assume for the sake of an argument, the USA uses too much gasoline for it's larger vehicles than say, Europe in general, and Europe is bas
60 L410Turbolet : There was an american lady who refused to drive manual geared cars because she didn't know how to do it It's even worse, my friend. And I would say it
61 777236ER : People should be able to buy whatever car they want, put whatever kind of fuel they want in it, provided it is clean. Stop playing nanny for the rest
62 MaverickM11 : "USA have around 5 % of the worlds population but use 25 % of the oil that is produced every year. Can that continue? No. The first thing to do is to
63 Alpha 1 : Let's see: I drive to and from work each day in my '96 Grand Prix, that's about 34 miles round-trip. My wife drives do and from work each day, about 1
64 Jcs17 : No hydrocarbon fuel is clean, which in itself shows how little you know. Don't try to twist me words, whiner. I meant 'clean,' as it pertains to fuel.
65 Jcs17 : What means 17 in your nick? 17 years old? Because that's the level of your post. Try to read some books not only comics and porn mags! Maybe it can he
66 Goingboeing : Not to nitpick here JCS17, but the person you just replied to was from Germany, and I am sure that he had a good laugh when he read this from your pos
67 L410Turbolet : MaverickM11: No one is saying that if "haves" start spending less, "havenots" will automatically spend more. The point is that haves, do have resource
68 Garnetpalmetto : Better question - could you even get a Hummer up to autobahn speeds without the assistence of JATO rockets?
69 Jcs17 : There are several roads in Germany that have no speed limit at all - and even at 5 to 20 mph over the posted speed here, you would be considered "slow
70 WellHung : Thanks for the suggestion. I will now drive my 14 mpg truck the 2 miles to work. I was going to walk, but now changed my mind. In fact, I'm going to t
71 MaverickM11 : "Please explain me the connection between GDP and the fact, that once the oil is gone it's gone forever. Will GDP fill-up your tank? " Of course not,
72 Goingboeing : Gee, you think? I was saying just because American freeways have speedlimits, and fairly low ones at that, doesn't mean that they are followed. No...b
73 Goingboeing : Of course not, but a higher GDP will allow you more opportunities, capital, and resources to explore alternative fuel sources than a lower GDP. Do you
74 MaverickM11 : "How high does the GDP have to get before the alternative fuel search kicks in??" That's because there is currently no reason to do so. That and the f
75 L410Turbolet : Of course not, but a higher GDP will allow you more opportunities, capital, and resources to explore alternative fuel sources than a lower GDP. a) Wha
76 Post contains images Dl021 : gman Point to you, on rugby, except that if we played American football without pads the body count would put it out of business inside of three games
77 777heavy : Jcs17 Hey chief, why don't you mix in some English lessons here and there... Thx for your advise! I know my English isn't perfect but I wonder which f
78 Travelin man : The market will force people to choose more fuel economical cars. In fact, it is already happening with Hummer sales down 31%, and a waiting list of t
79 MaverickM11 : "a) What does make you think that driving fuel-efficient cars will cause your GDP to drop?" Huh? Where did you get that impression? There is no correl
80 Mrniji : That it is a conscious decision by them to stay in poverty so as to not adopt wester lifestyles? So do you think to give up poverty you have to adopt
81 Dl021 : gman94 I really believe that you believe that people around the world live in what we call squalor because they choose to honor their ethnic heritage.
82 Pelican : They don't even ALLOW the sale of Diesel cars here in California because it burns too dirty, creating to much smoke and soot. Diesel = good gas mileag
83 Mrniji : I would personally love it if solar or hydro or recycling energy technology was able to replace fossil fuels, because then we could let the current oi
84 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Think I'll go fill up my gas guzzling 10 miles per gallon SUV, drive that bitch till its empty, fill it up again, throw out a couple middle fingers an
85 Post contains links Hartsfieldboy : I'm the first to say that everyone should consume less oil and the faster we get away from depending on it, the better. HOWEVER, the US produces more
86 SlamClick : L410Turbolet you assumed that I drive four SUVs? Not a very well-thought out assumption. I did not specify on purpose and you took the bait. You made
87 Travelin man : Thanks for the post of sanity Hartsfieldboy. Indeed, I would say that those consuming far more oil than their GDP production would point to the fact t
88 Post contains images L410Turbolet : MaverickM11: I'm just putting into logical sequence your previous two statements: We use 25% of the world's oil but we also produce about a third of t
89 Post contains images Mrniji : Look at other countries. Germany ranks 18th in GDP per person and ranks 18th in oil consumption, so they are on par. The US is below par, so how come
90 Post contains links and images EA CO AS : While the US uses more than anyone else, they also produce more than most, have more land than most, and more people than most. More people than most
91 Garnetpalmetto : An analogy: why do people have to leave the engine on while shopping (only keep the car cool with ac??)??? I've NEVER seen this happening...that's wha
92 Post contains images JGPH1A : Re: I do not recall having any problems navigating our gas guzzling V12 Jaguar around the streets of Juan Les Pins, which is in Antibes. I know - I li
93 L410Turbolet : Fair enough, SlamClick, my assumption was wrong and I apologize for that. If you'd read my post, I'm not bitching about the US nor am I having problem
94 N6376m : Mrniji So do you think to give up poverty you have to adopt western lifestyles? No. You're the one who established the relationship between the two.
95 Goingboeing : They won't wait until the "last minute" but rather they'll start looking more into alternative fuels when it is economically necessary. Right now it i
96 Flight152 : The Italian Maserati Quattroporte will get a pathetic 11 mpg (city), which is MUCH worse then nearly every SUV on the market. Never mind the COUNTLES
97 Zak : "The Italian Maserati Quattroporte will get a pathetic 11 mpg (city), which is MUCH worse then nearly every SUV on the market." there are of course ex
98 Post contains links Klaus : Mark Fiore: Quit yer whining!
99 Artsyman : More people than most ? LOL ! The US has the world's 4th largest population and should stay there with a predicted population of 500M by 2050 accordin
100 Post contains links WellHung : Here's what the rest of the world is doing to lower dependence on oil, not to mention reducing greenhouse gas emmissions. Thanks for your support. Now
101 L.1011 : You see, Europeans just don't get it. Americans left your festering nations, your oppressive kings, to come to this land of plenty (not implying Europ
102 777236ER : In America, you have rights And those rights don't enroach on other people's right to being healthy. People have the right to live, as well as drive S
103 Captoveur : Ok geniuses, -Lets all get Diesel vehicles instead of gas..... Have you seen diesel prices lately? Thanks to the dimwits who make enviromental rules t
104 Post contains images Leezyjet : On the BBC news the other day, they said if all the people in the US drove cars that were as economical as a majority of the cars in Europe, then prod
105 L-188 : Where the hell are all of these alleged statistics come from? The terrorist group known as Greenpeace. Some of them are too sensational to be believed
106 Artsyman : On the BBC news the other day, they said if all the people in the US drove cars that were as economical as a majority of the cars in Europe, then prod
107 Jamesag96 : Artsy is on ya'll...stand back. Some of you are making me feel bad for acquiring a Tahoe yesterday for the little lady and our three dogs....no you ar
108 MaverickM11 : "We use 25% of the world's oil but we also produce about a third of the world's GDP ...higher GDP will allow you more opportunities, capital, and reso
109 Post contains images Worldoftui : As a "whining Euro" I would like to say that I can't see how many Americans would be able to use public transport on a regular basis, considering, in
110 Goingboeing : Wellhung...I would venture to say that I see far more Escalades, Expeditions, Excursions, Navigators, Tahoes, Suburbans and Durangos in the course of
111 Dvk : The simple fact is that most Americans do not need the huge SUV's they drive. They do not get good mileage compared with the average car, because, as
112 777heavy : Wellhung Here's what the rest of the world is doing to lower dependence on oil, not to mention reducing greenhouse gas emmissions... And? You have pos
113 Captoveur : The simple fact is that most Americans do not need the huge SUV's they drive. They do not get good mileage compared with the average car, because, as
114 Peterk : If the oil resources will last for 100 years and we drop fuel consumption by 10% , after those 100 years we will have used 90%; and the remaining 10%
115 WellHung : Taking the stance of "what other automakers are doing is ok because US automakers are doing it more" is childish and reflects a lack of thinking. Not
116 Post contains links B2707SST : People have the right to live, as well as drive SUVs. Despite an expanding population, enormous economic growth, and increasing vehicle size over the
117 Jamesag96 : "The auto manufacturers won't do it without federal government intervention." Which will not happen until the lawmakers get their heads out of their a
118 MaverickM11 : "We should be embarrassed by the excessive gas consumption of our personal vehicles. I've traveled extensively, and I have never been anywhere else th
119 Post contains images EA CO AS : Damn - I love it when B2707SST uses facts and figures to dismember someone's incorrect arguments!
120 Dvk : Just because gas is more expensive everywhere else does not justify our gluttony. We should be taking the lead in fossil fuel conservation, period.
121 EA CO AS : We should be taking the lead in fossil fuel conservation, period. Dvk, unless you ride a bike everywhere and live in a tent, you're part of the "we" t
122 Dvk : No, EA CO AS. I drive a reasonable car that gets good mileage and is a low emissions vehicle. I have specifically been addressing the fuel consumption
123 Gman94 : gman94 I really believe that you believe that people around the world live in what we call squalor because they choose to honor their ethnic heritage.
124 EA CO AS : I drive a reasonable car Dvk, how did you become the authority on what car is "reasonable," exactly? Define your terms - because what is "reasonable"
125 L.1011 : You have a point, but there are major political groups that feel that prices should be higher to make it clear that they have to pay for the damage th
126 777236ER : Crude oil reserves known right now will last until 2163 without additional discovery. Bitumen, a kind of superheavy, superdense oil that can be refine
127 Post contains images DeltaGuy : It's not just stinkin SUV's.....the 5.7L V8 in my Camaro burns 14 gallons in about 250-300 miles, which is pretty darn good comparatively...so sportsc
128 Dvk : EA, I said MOST, not ALL, Americans don't need the SUV's they're driving. That is my opinion, and you can disagree with me, but you can't prove me wro
129 Post contains images MaverickM11 : "you knew that right? You knew the stats were inaccurate? Or are you just a bit naive?" Well if everyone knew all along that Iraq didn't have any WMDs
130 EA CO AS : Dvk, here's what I wrote - Dvk, unless you ride a bike everywhere and live in a tent, you're part of the "we" that you've been slamming. Keep that in
131 L.1011 : Anyone else surprised? Typical liberal from 777. Facts prove you wrong, attack the source of the facts, even if it's the most respected source on the
132 Dvk : The slamming was inherent in the hyperbole of your post, as you quoted above. I had said absolutely nothing to justify your statement.
133 Pelican : Unfortunately some Arabs will change the American (and of course our) oil consumption habits. If America don't care about the environment or about the
134 Post contains images L-188 : The biggest parts of the oil resources are in countries which aren't really reliable That is why Oil has shot up in the past year. That could have bee
135 Pelican : 1 mio Barrels will not change much in the long run.
136 Tubbyboeing : China is also the big user with increasing production over the long term. Yup, that's true. I was watching the news a few days back on Ch 9 (that's Au
137 Post contains images L410Turbolet : WellHung, thanks for making a total fool of yourself, wasting your time looking up gas mileages for all those Maybachs, Ferraris, Aston Martins and Be
138 WellHung : You khak, claiming to care about oil consumption, then saying these cars aren't relevant because the cars aren't as widespread as Civics. You can't cr
139 L410Turbolet : I'm not saying they do not matter, of course they do and their fuel efficiency is as bad as any given American SUV. I'm not the only one pointing out
140 Post contains images WellHung : Well if there are so many cars that are rarities, it kinda starts to add up, huh? So, now you're saying that they matter, but they're not relevant. It
141 L410Turbolet : Whatever, WellHung...
142 Post contains images Globalexpress : As the Chinese people become more affluent they are using more petrol in their vehicles and despite them not being SUV's, there are far more cars and
143 N766UA : USA Citizens: Stop Using So Much Oil! Ahem.....Bite me! Be happy I don't drive a Semi.
144 Solarix : If we were to actually do what Bofredrik is suggesting I wonder how long it would take for him and his anti-American buddies to spew the "holier than
145 Garnetpalmetto : Eh, pay no attention to Bofredrik - ever since he ditched his girlfriend in favor of a computer game, he's been massively sexually frustrated, ergo a
146 Travelin man : I've decided that the folks bashing the US for using too much oil are correct. I am going to turn in my Toyota 4Runner (Japanese SUV) for a European-m
147 Goingboeing : Why is it that SUV owners fall back on the "I need it for snowy weather", or "I have to haul a lot of things", or "I have a lot of kids to haul around
148 Flight152 : and countless numbers of 2WD vehicles have no problem navigating the snow covered highways and byways of America? You have obviously never been to Wes
149 Goingboeing : No...I don't know much about Western New York, but I do know about Northeast Ohio, that gets those same lake effect snows. I took a VW Scirrocco up an
150 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : I guess I've got an eco-friendly household Three out of our five cars are two Honda Civics and a BMW MINI Cooper...we're doing OK then.
151 Lehpron : First, the title is wrong and invites 60% of the rubbish seen in here. It should have read, "US industry should use less oil" >> "When it is though, t
152 Goingboeing : lehpron - I posted that comment in regards to another post that said we wouldn't wait until the last minute, but would develop alternative energy sour
153 Cancidas : you know what... neither europeans nor americans are perfect, let's leave life at that and go on living...
154 Delta767300ER : I wouldnt drive a smaller car. My Z28 fits me perfectly. And all the fuel efficient 4-cylinders sound like crap -Delta767300ER
155 Post contains images WellHung : Travelin man takes his SUV and crushes all the envirowhiners!
156 L-188 : That ain't an SUV. That is a TRUCK!!!!
157 Post contains images WellHung : If you want to get technical, it's a toy. But it's the closest I could find to illustrate the point...
158 L-188 : Well it definatly ain't what soccer moms drive.
159 Post contains images MD-90 : Boy, some of these Euros need to come visit Alabama or Mississippi sometime. Their blood pressure would spike so high they'd probably have a coronary
160 Post contains images Globalexpress : I drive a Renault Clio, which gets approximately 40 mpg. My Dad's Ford Puma gets 38 mpg; they're both nice cars, but of course aren't big enough for y
161 Pelican : Indeed most American cities aren't suitable for public mass transport. But come on guys, tell me why you need such big engines. You can't even drive f
162 Post contains images Globalexpress : No, the government here puts more tax on our petrol than any other country in Europe. Out of a £40 tank, £34 goes to the government in tax revenue.
163 L-188 : Pelican, you can't pull a boat on four cylinders. BTW. Yes, there have been plenty of times where I wish I had more power then either of the six bange
164 MD-90 : Most people don't have boats, though. And our canoe rides beautifully and is easier to put up/take down on top of our minivan than on any SUV. I can g
165 L-188 : How is that Camery at plowing snow? A Canoe is a whole different beast then a 14 footer, or a 16 or a 20 Can you get a Snowmobile in the back? Cord of
166 Globalexpress : You know for a fact that many of the SUV's on the roads in the US are used by so called "soccer moms" doing the school run needlessly, when they live
167 Zak : what is interesting is that some people here seem to justify the use of whatever oversized cars with special applications. lets face it, the people th
168 L-188 : Zak, the fact that most people can't own different cars for different purposes does put a bit of a damper on that theory. I certainly can't run out ab
169 L410Turbolet : Zak, why on Earth can't you understand that I NEED my 6.0 V8 Chevy Suburban to "haul" milk from the supermarket, get a kid from school, to tow a 250kg
170 L-188 : Cute Turbolet. For the record my truck is a Ford and it only has a 4.2 liter in it. And actually most people with snowmobiles take them out more then
171 Zak : @l-188 i dont blame you you live in alaska. you need a big car thats totally normal. but hey as i said the millions of suvs in suburbia are not needed
172 L-188 : And BTW Zak. When I was living out in the bush, back in the 1990's and paying about twice what the going rate for gas was in town. I often use a Honda
173 L410Turbolet : I give Chevy credit for being honest when it comes to giving a name to the car. L-188, the point is not the frequency but the fact that you don't need
174 Peterk : "Here in the US we have rights, don't forget!" Besides your sarcasm that's absolutely true. For many people their car is part of the personality, so
175 Globalexpress : To reiterate Zak's point for you L-188, Utility Vehicles have made life a lot easier for those living in more hospitable areas of the US. But is subur
176 L-188 : Well again that is going to lifestyle. If they can afford the gas they should be able to buy what they want. In many ways I wish I had bought an SUV.
177 Post contains images Globalexpress : Dogs are often a pain but at least they don't cause as much hassle as children. If they can afford it they can have it yes, but its a little irrespons
178 L-188 : Powered Drink holders. What type of Sissy would put that in a truck? Actually my one gripe about some of these SUV's is that you can't get them in a s
179 Globalexpress : In the Toyota SUV thing that my uncle has in the states, he has drinks holders that have AC vents next to them so the drinks are kept cool. That thing
180 L-188 : At this point I think I need to point out that Toyota is not an american company. Besides the last vehicle they made that I really liked was the FJ-44
181 Globalexpress : Haha, please don't patronise me. I know it isn't an American company but what the hell difference does that make? Their cars are still sold and used b
182 Mika : I towed my race car (About 1000kgs, maybe 1200-1300 with all the spare tires etc, probably at least 1500kg total with the trailer) with my dad's old F
183 L-188 : I trust in the market forces. Eventually oil will become more valuable as a material for manufacturing rather then as a fuel. Actually this bio-diesel
184 Post contains images L410Turbolet : L-188, ok, we got the dogs and the groceries covered, please share with us more "original" uses for SUVs that other cars are incapable of. I wonder ho
185 Globalexpress : Fuel or food? Theres enough food for the world, and with the development of GM crops there'll be even more, its just not getting to those who need it.
186 Post contains images L-188 : GM crops? I thought those where unsafe I personally believe the anti-GM complaints are bunk, but there have been terrorist strike in Europe over that
187 Post contains images Globalexpress : Apparently they're safe enough for the third world, but thats just them isn't it? They're dirty.. eww.. Give me a good ol' "lips and hooves" hamburger
188 Post contains links L-188 : Yup. You are being too cynical. I personally love the Blue Canoes. http://www.dot.state.ak.us/amhs/index.html I should also add too, that it is hard t
189 JGPH1A : Re: but there have been terrorist strike in Europe over that I'd hardly call Lord Melchit uprooting a field of GM soya a terrorist act. Not QUITE the
190 L410Turbolet : Just for your information, a bio-diesel is already being sold over here in CZ, it's marketed as SETA Diesel. It's not made out of GM soybeans though,
191 L-188 : Not if you are the farmer
192 JGPH1A : Yeah - hundreds of people lit candles and poured in thousands of floral tributes to Farmer Giles whose GM soya plants got dug up last week - Kofi Anna
193 Post contains images Globalexpress : quote:: I should also add too, that it is hard to see where I am abusing the planet so terribly by owning a truck. I am willing to be that the Lears a
194 Goingboeing : How is that Camery at plowing snow? Considering that in my area, about one out of every 500 SUV's (one out of every 2,000 SUV's and "super duty" picku
195 Post contains images L-188 : Don't laugh, that is a running joke up here. Still, when I start building those garden boxes I want, guess what the dirt is going to be hauled in The
196 Globalexpress : Whatever, L-188 you probably know already that I'm concerned about whats happening across the world with regards to climate change. You can call me a
197 L410Turbolet : Speaking of Fords... What do you think about the court's ruling awarding 369 million USD to Benetta Beuell-Wilson for crashing her Explorer and ending
198 L-188 : Well if it makes you feel better, I have noticed that it is taking me a lot longer to get to 15,000 miles on my truck then it did with that Cavalier.
199 Post contains images Globalexpress : Haha, yes, thats an incredible comfort to me as it is to the caribou and my fellow tree huggers
200 L-188 : Nothing I do should comfort Caribou. Thems good eating!!! Although I do confess I haven't shot one since the 5th grade. Only time I ever got to go hun
201 Globalexpress : I've never gone hunting before and never shot anything before; its ironic that I'm defending cultures and peoples that do things do differently to me;
202 L-188 : Well just remember, if you are ever out in the woods be sure to bring 1 bullet and a friend in case a bear attacks.
203 Post contains images Mika : Well just remember, if you are ever out in the woods be sure to bring 1 bullet and a friend in case a bear attacks. And then what? Load the friend up
204 Post contains images L-188 : Well that's the whole idea, when you and your friend starts running, shoot the friend. The bear will reach him first
205 Post contains images FLYtoEGCC : Question for you gas-guzzling Americans... Regarding the mums from suburbia who use their SUVs for nothing but school runs and nipping down the road t
206 L-188 : Yes, there are a number of smaller SUV running out there. As far as the big engines, generally I wouldn't have one for speed. Towing capacity however
207 Post contains links L410Turbolet : Compact MPVs like Opel Zafira: http://www.opel.de/shop/cars/zafira/index.act Renault Scenic: http://www.renault.com/gb/produits/scenic2.htm VW Touran:
208 L-188 : There is no ground clearance on any of those cars Turbolet. That was one of the reasons why I got rid of the Cavilier for the higher sitting pickup tr
209 Post contains links Schoenorama : Hartsfieldboy: Although happy that someone finally came up some facts and links, regretfully you fail to interprete those facts correctly, specially w
210 L-188 : I'll say it. That webiste is run by a bunch of liberal granola crunching wacko's. Question, when they figure theat "per person" rate do they take in a
211 Goingboeing : Regarding the mums from suburbia who use their SUVs for nothing but school runs and nipping down the road to the supermarket - this is a genuine quest
212 Schoenorama : L-188: Basically, you're saying that the HUGE difference when it comes to average anual gasoline consumption PER PERSON between the US and Japan, numb
213 Alessandro : If US are prepared to pay for it in money and blood, go ahead.
214 L-188 : No, what I am saying is that the energy burn to run rail systems and bus systems needs to be figured in the equasion. Lefts face it, there is going to
215 N766UA : But come on guys, tell me why you need such big engines. Can't very well tow a boat with a 4 banger.
216 Post contains links L410Turbolet : L-188, I'm trying to keep the topic on a general level, but you keep applying everything to your specific situation. Anyway, the previous generation o
217 Post contains images FDXmech : Schoenorama Japan is slightly smaller than California with a population of 127+ million. Do you feel this is an accurate comparison? [Edited 2004-06-0
218 Garnetpalmetto : If US are prepared to pay for it in money and blood, go ahead I wasn't aware the US was the only nation that used oil.
219 L-188 : I suspect you are correct, snow tires are designed to perform a different function then all-seasons or summer tires. The materials used in the tire ar
220 Alessandro : GP, US needs about import 11,600,000 barrels of oil each day and 103 Billion cubic meter of LNG each year. Sweden needs 330,000 barrels of oil each da
221 L410Turbolet : Summer tires lose its ideal handling and grip properties around +7 C and you don't need studded tires under normally bad winter conditions. As far as
222 L-188 : Yup, that Golf with the lift.
223 VectorVictor : JGPH1A, I have to add you to my respected users list for your Melchett reference in Reply 189. Good stuff. From Blackadder Goes Forth Gen. Melchett -
224 Goingboeing : Most U.S. cities have perfectly adequate public transport systems. Unfortunately, since most rely on busses and not rail networks people deem them (un
225 Garnetpalmetto : Most U.S. cities have perfectly adequate public transport systems. Unfortunately, since most rely on busses and not rail networks people deem them (un
226 Captoveur : Most U.S. cities have perfectly adequate public transport systems. Unfortunately, since most rely on busses and not rail networks people deem them (un
227 GOTbound : Uhm, believe me there are a lot of SUV on the Euro roads, and to upset your left-liberal-environmental extremists... VOLVO has a "nice" surprise for y
228 Baw2198 : Damn guys, This can be summed up with one phase. BIG BUSINESS You look at any of the car companies left that are american (ford, gm, maybe chrsyler) W
229 Garnetpalmetto : I've found that by and large, many Europeans have no clue about the vastness of the US and thus have no clue why we need to drive everywhere - as an a
230 L410Turbolet : Garnetpalmetto: The discussion here has been more about WHAT you drive rather than WHERE you drive and how often. UK is a fairly big country, so is Fr
231 GOTbound : You can't compare US with UK, Germany, France, or even Sweden, that in fact are biggest of them, the European infrastructure is much older then the US
232 MD-90 : Well, trucks have improved. Our '88 F-150 has a 5.0 V8, gets horrible gas mileage, and yes, we had a 16 ft speedboat. But for all that engine, the tru
233 GOTbound : Ford have intensive work on fuel-cell engines, and ofcourse they all ready offers the Flexi-Fuel Focus, but for FORD and other car manufactures, there
234 Post contains images L.1011 : the SUV trend is really a problem spreading all over the first world, HOWEVER, looking at numbers, the usa are really the place where the problem is b
235 L410Turbolet : Well, L.1011 your arguments are proving why it's so easy to dislike you, Americans, at least when it comes to certain issues. Freedom of choice is not
236 Goingboeing : L410Turbolet, please don't think that L1011 represents all Americans. He's obviously getting most of his "education" from Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hann
237 Alessandro : GOT, so do you think Honda saw a demand for the Insight in 2000? You compete with other car manufacturers and try to sell your products, one sales arg
238 Dl021 : goingboeing and L410 First....fundamentally it would be a good thing if we could reduce our dependency on fossil fuels. The only problem is that the s
239 GOTbound : Allesandro, Competing with fuel consumption? When consumers shops for cars in SUV and Premium segment of the market, fuel consumption is not the major
240 Alessandro : GOT, I´m well aware of the fuel price in Sweden, since I lived +30 years here. At www.insightcentral.net I saw that Honda sent out advertising to Ins
241 GOTbound : Allesandro, There is a certain demand for alternative and combined fuel cars, I'm aware of that, the question is, will a majority of customers pay mor
242 Schoenorama : L-188: “No, what I am saying is that the energy burn to run rail systems and bus systems needs to be figured in the equasion.” The ‘Sources and
243 Cptkrell : GOTbbound; you weren't refering to the upcoming Volvo SUV (reply 227) based off the Chev/GMC/Buick/(former) Olds Bravada were you? That particular ent
244 GOTbound : Cptkrell, You got it wrong, you're talking about the SAAB 97X = Modified Chevy Trailblazer. SAAB is owned by GM. VOLVO already sell there SUV, the XC9
245 Cptkrell : Thanks for the heads-up, GOTbound. I really got that one confused, eh? Although I still chat now and then w/ "my" local car-guys, I'm still a bit out
246 BMAbound : Jcs17, to even comment on a non English speaking individual's written English makes you even more pathetic. Remember that witty comments like that low
247 FDXmech : >>>The whole of South America has an Annual Motor Gasoline Consumption per capita of 135 liters against 1,634 liters of the US.
248 L.1011 : So it really IS about the "big dick theory" not its capabilities. Why does it matter? This is a free country where we drive what we please, and the ma
249 Goingboeing : Typical liberal. Lose the argument, launch personal attacks on the winner Trouble is, you haven't won...you used a typical "conservative" tactic and f
250 NormalSpeed : Anyway, speaking of using "so much oil..." If we are talking about SUVs and reducing our own personal oil consumption, I agree wholeheartedly. After a
251 Zak : "I think Kuwait, Jordan, the UAE, Turkey (not Arab, but Muslim) and the like are great assets to America's fold of allies." this sentence is an intere
252 L410Turbolet : Dl021, I only hope that labeling me down as a "self-righteous european leftists" at least made your day!? It would be a waste of time to prove you oth
253 FDXmech : >>>- nothing matters about you, except your usefulness to us
254 N79969 : First, Normalspeed is correct. _________ I agree that the US consumes a disproportionate amount of oil but it also represents a disproportionately lar
255 Post contains links Schoenorama : FDXmech: “Ahh, what's the total GDP of S. America vs the U.S?” Excuse me, but you were the one, in reply number 217, complaining I should compaire
256 TWISTEDWHISPER : I agree that the US consumes a disproportionate amount of oil but it also represents a disproportionately large share of the world's economic output g
257 Post contains images FDXmech : >>>Excuse me, but you were the one, in reply number 217, complaining I should compaire the US’s annual per capita motor gasoline consumption to a co
258 Post contains links Schoenorama : FDXmech: “OK. How about a country the equivalent size of the U.S. with an equivalent GNP?” You still don’t get it, do you? Your country’s high
259 Zak : "Correct me if I'm wrong. But wasn't it you espousing the eventual covering of Africa with solar panels to power your hot tub?" yes, that would be eco
260 FDXmech : >>>"Correct me if I'm wrong. But wasn't it you espousing the eventual covering of Africa with solar panels to power your hot tub?"yes, that would be e
261 JGPH1A : Re: Or do you think they will sacrifice their land for your pleasure? I reckon they would if you pay them more than they make from the goats they'd ke
262 FDXmech : >>I reckon they would if you pay them more than they make from the goats they'd keep on it otherwise. 90% of Algeria is the Sahara desert, no good to
263 JGPH1A : I guess it depends on how much of the Sahara you need to concrete over to put the solar cells on. If you need all of it, they yes its expensive. If yo
264 FDXmech : >>>If you only need 10% say, that 10% can be anywhere, so you just go for whosever price is lowest.
265 JGPH1A : Then you say "Ciao, babe - hey look, there's a CHUNK of empty space in Mauretania, lets try there..." No problem.
266 FDXmech : >>>FDXmech: “OK. How about a country the equivalent size of the U.S. with an equivalent GNP?” You still don’t get it, do you? Your country’s h
267 Post contains images Schoenorama : FDXmech: "Why didn't you compare US energy consumption with Canada, a nation with the size, culture and wealth comparable to the US?" Because Canadian
268 Post contains images NWADC9 : You must be liberal. We have the right to buy whatever car (or truck, or SUV, orbox on wheels) If it's a gas guzzeler, more profit for the oil industr
269 Mlsrar : SUV drivers should pay more gas price because of gas guzzler! Too bad! What next, segregating schools and drinking fountains?
270 BoingGoingGone : Why do you think we're building the 7E7? Talk about gas guzzlers... What's that A-380 gonna burn an hour?????
271 FDXmech : >>>Because Canadians also use 'gas-guzzling' automobiles. I wanted to compare a 'gas-guzzling' economy with a 'non-gas-guzzling' economy
272 L.1011 : No, Zak it's not just about usefulness. We are the world's largest economy. As a result, we have a lot of money to appropriate as we want to. We also
273 Post contains images Rdu777 : Just talk to Hollywood. They're always trying to save the world from the big, bad SUVs. Oh wait, but they still buy them. I'm so glad this was brought
274 SSTjumbo : Off topic, but is it just me or are F150's the new craze among high school girls? It's probably daddy handing the car off to his daughter as he buys a
275 Schoenorama : FDXmech: “Ohhh. So you're not trying to make a reasonable comparison. Just one to fit your agenda. Hmmmmm. Not very Schoenoramalike at all.” Unfor
276 FDXmech : At first, magnanimous... >>>OK, you got me! I got one figure wrong. I admit it and I apologize. Japan’s annual per capita gasoline consumption is no
277 Post contains links FDXmech : I don't know where you got Japanese using 449 liters per capita consumption of gasoline/diesel. This chart shows 679 liter per capita. Take a look. ht
278 Post contains links Schoenorama : FDXmech: Your figure of 679 liters per capita refers to "Gasoline and Diesel ussage, while the figure I talk about refers only to "Gasoline". http://e
279 FDXmech : Schoenorama: I'm curious to why you use the stat for; per capita gasoline rather than; per capita gasoline and diesel fuel. The explanation for this e
280 Post contains images DeltaGuy : SUV drivers should pay more gas price because of gas guzzler! Actually Stuey, they already do....our Suburban takes well over 55 bucks to fill, so we
281 Post contains links Schoenorama : FDXmech: “I'm curious to why you use the stat for; per capita gasoline rather than; per capita gasoline and diesel fuel.” Because that is the stat
282 Post contains images DeltaGuy : But look at how much more you get.....on the Suburban, you get brute size and pleanty of cargo room...we never have a problem when we have to get 10 o
283 AGrayson514 : One thing that people seem to be missing is that its not how much oil is used per hour or per mile, but how efficiently that amount is used. The A380
284 Post contains images FDXmech : Schoenorama: I'm not denying the US uses a lot of fuel. I'm not rejecting the fact the US for the past 30 years has missed the boat on a comprehensive
285 TWISTEDWHISPER : To hell with all of it, I'm heading out and burning 60 000 truck tires. Why? Because I can, and it'll be my way of giving the middle finger to the res
286 WellHung : To hell with all of it, I'm heading out and burning 60 000 truck tires. Why? Because I can Do me a favor and make sure you drive a fuel-efficient vehi
287 Post contains images Mlsrar : and on the Camaro, you get sheer ball-shaking power, and the ability to put any ricer in his place.... My 3.2TL-S would smoke your ass any day....and
288 TWISTEDWHISPER : I know you have some sort of a personal vendetta on me, but I must say I'm impressed that it took you less then 10 minutes to jump at me... good on yo
289 Mlsrar : Sure thing buddy, I'm driving a 2003 Audi A2, diesel engine... it'll run almost 70 miles per gallon... I know you consider it a "toolbox", but that is
290 WellHung : know you have some sort of a personal vendetta on me, but I must say I'm impressed that it took you less then 10 minutes to jump at me... good on you
291 TWISTEDWHISPER : Mlsrar, You want ME to tell the car manufacturers to sell the Audi A2 in the US? As Wellington so neatly put it: Who am I again? If there's a demand,
292 Mlsrar : Just look what happens here when one is trying to promote a cheap-on-the-gas-consumption-car.... you get ridiculed. The Diesels marketed by VW are inc
293 FDXmech : >>>Yeah, the US has them to, but, man, they are not nearly as strict as the regulations in Europe. When I brought my Camaro over from the US, I had to
294 TWISTEDWHISPER : I don't see how you're getting ridiculed. You were making a point of how magnamanous you were for driving an A2 diesel...I was explaining that you hav
295 Post contains links TWISTEDWHISPER : What are Swedens car emissions standards? I wish I could tell you, I don't have the numbers, but they're quite strict... There's some info here (very
296 Mark777300 : I don't get it sometimes, are Americans the only ones who drive?? Last I checked, there are many other nations which rely on oil as well. So whats the
297 L-188 : The Powerstroke, is a Navistar engine. They where supposed to be releasing a six cylinder version to be put in the new F-150's but quality control iss
298 Post contains images L.1011 : Yeah, the US has them to, but, man, they are not nearly as strict as the regulations in Europe. Exactly. We like it better. Believe it or not, the US
299 FDXmech : I'm not trying to bait you but; If you don't know Swedens emission requirements how do you know they're more strict than mine. NJ is quite strict with
300 NWA : Other countires also get to use nuclear power, much more than that of the United States. That accounts for more than you think.
301 Ryefly : It's very easy to criticize the USA for just about everything. I am just curious, if our 50 states were in fact 50 different countries, would we have
302 Post contains images Schoenorama : FDXmech: “My issue is your selective choosing of data to enhance your argument..” My selective choosing of data? Re-read this discussion, would’
303 Goingboeing : SUV drivers should pay more gas price because of gas guzzler! Actually Stuey, they already do....our Suburban takes well over 55 bucks to fill, so we
304 Zak : " using the Suburban only when absolutely necessary. You know, three times during the summer." its necessary every day since suvs are usually an ego t
305 Post contains links Bofredrik : Public transport. That could be a solution to cut down a lot of travel by car. Lets take Miami/Ft Lauderdale area. It is impossible to get around with
306 Post contains links FDXmech : >>>What other nations are using ‘lots of fuel’? Give me some data, some hard-facts! Give me one-single nation or even an entire continent that use
307 L-188 : Interesting, Who would have expected a net loss of 10% per person in the US, based on the information that is generally shared.
308 Post contains images Ryefly : Stockholm has great public transportation. I was impressed when I vistited there. It just doesn't work as well in the USA. Unless you live in a city s
309 CXA330300 : This oil thing is ridiculous. Americans (I'm actually South African) have got to realize that oil isn't limitless. Alternatives need to be found. We'r
310 Post contains images L.1011 : Judging from your profile, in 40 years time (when there are no more Proven Oil Reserves, according to BP Oil) you will be some 55 years old, at most.
311 Goingboeing : We generally have larger properties because of America's primarily suburban population, resulting in much more gardening stuff. I'm sure you could ge
312 Post contains images Cptkrell : So, after 311 (!) replies, how many of you folks would REALLY rather be driving a 10-foot long tin shitbox with four cylinders, each about the size of
313 Goingboeing : So, after 311 (!) replies, how many of you folks would REALLY rather be driving a 10-foot long tin shitbox with four cylinders, each about the size of
314 Post contains links Schoenorama : FDXmech: Sorry for my late reply! “Canada 314 -7.0% since 1990 USA 264 -10.0% since 1990” These numbers don’t say anything as they refer to Ener
315 FDXmech : >>>These numbers don’t say anything as they refer to Energy Consumption per GDP and this, apart form inclusing all kinds of energy sources, also is
316 Post contains links Saxman66 : Its true that us Americans use alot of oil, but we are a very industrial nation. Yet we also love our cars a little too much and rely to heavily on th
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Why So Much Cheating In Sports? posted Sat Sep 15 2007 22:55:56 by BoeingFever777
CNN - So Little News In So Much Time posted Tue Sep 11 2007 04:17:06 by Allrite
I've Never Seen So Much Smoke! posted Sun Jul 29 2007 08:13:56 by AsstChiefMark
Celebs, Why Do We Love Them So Much? posted Fri Jul 27 2007 19:54:20 by JamesJimlb
So Much For Tupper Ware Parties posted Sat Mar 3 2007 03:01:02 by ANCFlyer
So Much For Kicking Halliburton Around. posted Wed Feb 28 2007 14:53:51 by RJdxer
Why Must DJs Play So Much Hip-Hop? posted Sun Feb 18 2007 03:16:05 by Yellowstone
Why Middle East Wars Get So Much Attention? posted Tue Dec 26 2006 01:47:22 by EL-AL
So Much For Close USC Wins... posted Sun Nov 26 2006 05:35:02 by JpetekYXMD80
So Much For Arkansas Playing Ohio State... posted Sat Nov 25 2006 00:23:30 by Falcon84