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'Madonna Is A Sl*t' - Jewish Rabbi  
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1214 times:

An unholy row has broken out over Madonna's membership of the controversial Kabbalah spiritual movemment.

The 45 year old has been branded a 'slut' by Cheif Jewish Rabbi Shmuley Boteach.

Writing for somethingjewish.co.uk he told Kabbalah head Philip Berg:'Do us all a favour and dump Madonna as your principal spokesman. Sorry to be crass, but Madonna is a slut. Yes, she may sing and she may dance. But she is famous for being a slut.'

He added: 'Is the Kabbalah Center really so desperate that it is prepared to promote itself through a vulgarian whose main contribution to the culture is porn rock?'


Madonna's spokesman, Liz Rosenburg, described the rabbi's attacks as 'vile'. She said; 'I suggest this man take a look at his own character, and the problem he has'.




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User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

So are you saying that Madonna isn't a slut?

'Speed


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8060 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1171 times:

I think they're right, Madonna is a terrible face for Kerbala Judaism, cos it diminishes the religion to a fad-ish indulgence by an overpampered, disconnected superstar, rather than a spiritual pursuit. I certainly think a celebrity endorsement is a major turn-off when it comes to religion.


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User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1170 times:

I agree with the rabbi ten thousand percent. And we don't need any more about that cockamemie "spiritual movement."


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User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1166 times:
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NO, she just likes being photographed nude, having sex with anything that moves (she did Rodman, 'nuff said) and singing songs about giving it up....Theres nothing there that indicates she is a slut.

Oh, wait....her spokesman did say during the Atlanta Gold Club (a high class Mafia owned strip club where professional athletes where receiving oral favors in the VIP room) court fiasco, where the King of Sweden no less was subpoenad to testify, that while she did not recall taking a dancer home for three way sex, that there is nothing wrong with it and that she would do it if the fancy struck her.......I do not know if that qualifies her as a slut in some peoples lexicons, but it certainly qualifies her as a really cool chick!

Remember, most people define a slut as someone who has sex with alot of people, and a b#tch as someone who has lots of sex with people other than them.



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User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1148 times:

So Horus, what exactly possessed you to post this?


LY744.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17361 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1142 times:

And I care what religious leaders say because....


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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1127 times:

Madonna thrives on controversy.

She probably paid this Rabbi Goteach to call her a slut.

Her music obviously doesnt keep her in the news any more; this schlameel's rant obviously will.


User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2964 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1121 times:

I have to agree with LY744, this is clearly an Rjpieces type of post. Just made for flaming.
And the Rabbi is totally correct.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17361 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1119 times:

On a side note...her concert was AMAZING!!!!


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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1087 times:

I think the good Rabbi is pissed that Philip Berg got her 1st and hates sloppy seconds.. or thirds.. and needs to get over sloppophobia!

BN747



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1048 times:

1. Madonna is a skank, not a slut.  Big grin

2. We all know Horus wouldn't have started this thread if a Jewish person hadn't been involved.

3. It must be a slow news day.


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1040 times:

Nobody to need make called with Rabbi and make with real name of the men.

User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4477 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 970 times:

Nobody to need make called with Rabbi and make with real name of the men.

 Yeah sure


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 948 times:

Well, she is a slut, but I also prefer the term skank, as well. But I also like the old fashioned term harlot as well.

User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5981 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 947 times:

Screw Madonna (no pun intended) - if he was so concerned about the face of this new pop religion, he would have mentioned Britney and her very unfortunate tatoos  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 943 times:

The 45 year old has been branded a 'slut' by Cheif Jewish Rabbi Shmuley Boteach.


Where has this guy been the last 20 years, under a rock somewhere. Hello, she's been a slut for quite a few years now, how else do you think she got where she is? By talent alone? Hello!


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 879 times:

CPH-R, Britney doesn't follow kabbalah (which is part of the Jewish religion), but Madonna does.

User currently offlineN751PR From United States of America, joined May 2002, 1248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 874 times:

Madonna's spokesman, Liz Rosenburg, described the rabbi's attacks as 'vile'. She said; 'I suggest this man take a look at his own character, and the problem he has'

I think you should turn it around and bring it back to that side of the room...



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User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 867 times:

I guess Mr. Boteach doesn't believe in forgiveness. Although Madonna has led quite a remarkable life and has demonstrated quite loose moral standards, I think she's shown remarkable progress with respect to adhering to general religious moral standards.


She now leads a relatively decent life as a mother of 2. Does Mr. Botech think that we should simply give up on people because of their history? Are all sins irreconcilable?


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 846 times:

Airplay, the new testament is the part of the bible that is big on forgiveness.

The old testament is the crime and punishment part.



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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5981 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 838 times:

MD-90,
are you sure about that? I've seen the pics numerous times, and if I remember correctly, they mention that she's joined the same religion as Madonna.

Just picked this up through a Google search:

The Daily Mail is reporting:

Britney's first steps towards regaining her squeaky-clean reputation have come at the urging of her estranged parents Lynne and Jamie.

She has been attending regular services at the Central Bible Church in Inglewood, California.

At one she was seen sobbing on her father's shoulder.

"With her father's guidance, Britney realised she had reached a spiritual low and that God was the only answer," said a friend.

"Her family told her that they loved her very much but that they couldn't stand by and watch her destroy her life and her career.

"They told her she needed to get back on her feet and return to traditional values, and that included Christianity."

Hollywood conversions are notorious. Add her dalliance with Kabalah and this could be just wishful thinking on the part of her parents.


So it looks like she's moved on - or something  Insane


User currently offlineMikedlayer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 831 times:

I don't listen to religion at all, I don't believe in it. I think all religion is the cause for war and suffering even though they protest against it, and its all a world wide cult which will eventually die out.

Once again a relgious leader trying to get in the headlines.

Mike


User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 811 times:

Does Mr. Botech think that we should simply give up on people because of their history? Are all sins irreconcilable?


the new testament is the part of the bible that is big on forgiveness. The old testament is the crime and punishment part.


Easy now. The Rabbi is merely highlighting the interesting relationship between the Kabbalah and mainstream Judaism. The mystical teaching are something that have always been a part of Judaism, but somewhat relegated to the fringes and to those who are taking part of extreme studies. Traditionally these teachings have not been offered until the age of 40, when an individual has completed extensive studies in the Torah and the Talmud. The issues involved are very complex but deal with the study of the nature of G-d, the universe, and the supernatural.

Some take Kaballah very seriously, to others it is a strange curiosity, or even outright nonsense. One Rabbi described it as, "it's nonsense, but it's Jewish nonsense, and the study of anything Jewish, even nonsense, is worthwhile." or as another put it, "crap-balah".

What Rabbi Shmuley Boteach seemes peeved about is most likely the fact that it's doubtful Madonna has completed the near life-time of torah religious studies traditionally necessary to tackle such material properly. The Kaballah teachings can be considered dangerous and irresponsible if pursued in the wrong manner. The Rabbi apparently detests the further corruption of Kaballistic teachings into a pop-culture or practical Kaballah that distorts much of the original teachings which have suffered enough under the hands of individuals throughout history who have distorted and taken teachings out of context, and flat out corrupted them.

Oh, and forgiveness of sin is very prominent in Jewish teachings and writings. The process includes prayer, correcting any wrongs, and aspiring never to do the same deed again.



User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 795 times:

I agree with the Rabbi. Madonna did the same thing to Hinduism when she was in that phase. Dressing herself like a goddess and promoting fads like Henna, all she did was make the religion into a fad and spread even more ignorance of the religion in this country.


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