Horus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59 Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1242 times:
An unholy row has broken out over Madonna's membership of the controversial Kabbalah spiritual movemment.
The 45 year old has been branded a 'slut' by Cheif Jewish Rabbi Shmuley Boteach.
Writing for somethingjewish.co.uk he told Kabbalah head Philip Berg:'Do us all a favour and dump Madonna as your principal spokesman. Sorry to be crass, but Madonna is a slut. Yes, she may sing and she may dance. But she is famous for being a slut.'
He added: 'Is the Kabbalah Center really so desperate that it is prepared to promote itself through a vulgarian whose main contribution to the culture is porn rock?'
Madonna's spokesman, Liz Rosenburg, described the rabbi's attacks as 'vile'. She said; 'I suggest this man take a look at his own character, and the problem he has'.
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8142 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1199 times:
I think they're right, Madonna is a terrible face for Kerbala Judaism, cos it diminishes the religion to a fad-ish indulgence by an overpampered, disconnected superstar, rather than a spiritual pursuit. I certainly think a celebrity endorsement is a major turn-off when it comes to religion.
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Dl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1194 times:
NO, she just likes being photographed nude, having sex with anything that moves (she did Rodman, 'nuff said) and singing songs about giving it up....Theres nothing there that indicates she is a slut.
Oh, wait....her spokesman did say during the Atlanta Gold Club (a high class Mafia owned strip club where professional athletes where receiving oral favors in the VIP room) court fiasco, where the King of Sweden no less was subpoenad to testify, that while she did not recall taking a dancer home for three way sex, that there is nothing wrong with it and that she would do it if the fancy struck her.......I do not know if that qualifies her as a slut in some peoples lexicons, but it certainly qualifies her as a really cool chick!
Remember, most people define a slut as someone who has sex with alot of people, and a b#tch as someone who has lots of sex with people other than them.
Airplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 895 times:
I guess Mr. Boteach doesn't believe in forgiveness. Although Madonna has led quite a remarkable life and has demonstrated quite loose moral standards, I think she's shown remarkable progress with respect to adhering to general religious moral standards.
She now leads a relatively decent life as a mother of 2. Does Mr. Botech think that we should simply give up on people because of their history? Are all sins irreconcilable?
Mikedlayer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 859 times:
I don't listen to religion at all, I don't believe in it. I think all religion is the cause for war and suffering even though they protest against it, and its all a world wide cult which will eventually die out.
Once again a relgious leader trying to get in the headlines.
AC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 839 times:
Does Mr. Botech think that we should simply give up on people because of their history? Are all sins irreconcilable?
the new testament is the part of the bible that is big on forgiveness. The old testament is the crime and punishment part.
Easy now. The Rabbi is merely highlighting the interesting relationship between the Kabbalah and mainstream Judaism. The mystical teaching are something that have always been a part of Judaism, but somewhat relegated to the fringes and to those who are taking part of extreme studies. Traditionally these teachings have not been offered until the age of 40, when an individual has completed extensive studies in the Torah and the Talmud. The issues involved are very complex but deal with the study of the nature of G-d, the universe, and the supernatural.
Some take Kaballah very seriously, to others it is a strange curiosity, or even outright nonsense. One Rabbi described it as, "it's nonsense, but it's Jewish nonsense, and the study of anything Jewish, even nonsense, is worthwhile." or as another put it, "crap-balah".
What Rabbi Shmuley Boteach seemes peeved about is most likely the fact that it's doubtful Madonna has completed the near life-time of torah religious studies traditionally necessary to tackle such material properly. The Kaballah teachings can be considered dangerous and irresponsible if pursued in the wrong manner. The Rabbi apparently detests the further corruption of Kaballistic teachings into a pop-culture or practical Kaballah that distorts much of the original teachings which have suffered enough under the hands of individuals throughout history who have distorted and taken teachings out of context, and flat out corrupted them.
Oh, and forgiveness of sin is very prominent in Jewish teachings and writings. The process includes prayer, correcting any wrongs, and aspiring never to do the same deed again.
Mdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 823 times:
I agree with the Rabbi. Madonna did the same thing to Hinduism when she was in that phase. Dressing herself like a goddess and promoting fads like Henna, all she did was make the religion into a fad and spread even more ignorance of the religion in this country.
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