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9-11 Families Have New Questions For Bush  
User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

http://www.911independentcommission.org/bush2162004.html

The Family Steering Committee Statement and Questions
Regarding the 9/11 Commission Interview with President Bush



You can go look for yourself for the full 39 questions (recently updated from 23 questions), but I'm going to point out a few of them here. I think a few of the questions are almost silly, but some of them are very good questions that definately ought to be answered. All emphasis is mine.


3. What defensive action did you personally order to protect our nation during the crisis on September 11th? What time were these orders given, and to whom? What orders were carried out? What was the result of such orders? Were any such orders not carried out?

4. In your opinion, why was our nation so utterly unprepared for an attack on our own soil?

10. Specifically, what did you learn from the August 6, 2001, PDB about the terrorist threat that was facing our nation? Did you request any follow-up action to take place? Did you request any further report be developed and/or prepared?

16. What was the purpose of the several stops of Air Force One on September 11th? Was Air Force One at any time during the day of September 11th a target of the terrorists? Was Air Force One’s code ever breached on September 11th?


(personally, I would think that AF1 is too secure for terrorists of Osama's ilk to jepoardize)

17. Was there a reason for Air Force One lifting off without a military escort, even after ample time had elapsed to allow military jets to arrive?

(Obviously they're unaware that just because you don't see escorts doesn't mean they're not there)

18. What prompted your refusal to release the information regarding foreign sponsorship of the terrorists, as illustrated in the inaccessible 28 redacted pages in the Joint Intelligence Committee Inquiry Report? What actions have you personally taken since 9/11 to thwart foreign sponsorship of terrorism?

19. Who approved the flight of the bin Laden family out of the United States when all commercial flights were grounded, when there was time for only minimal questioning by the FBI, and especially, when two of those same individuals had links to WAMY, a charity suspected of funding terrorism? Why were bin Laden family members granted that special privilege—a privilege not available to American families whose loved ones were killed on 9/11?

(Now I thought this was inaccurate. Didn't the bin Ladens and the other Saudis leave AFTER the ban on flying was lifted?)

20. Please explain why no one in any level of our government has yet been held accountable for the countless failures leading up to and on 9/11?

23. Which individuals, governments, agencies, institutions, or groups may have benefited from the attacks of 9/11? Please state specifically how you think they have benefited.

27. During the second presidential debate on Oct. 11, 2000, as a Presidential candidate you responded to a question about racial discrimination and said that " ...there is other forms of racial profiling that goes on in America. Arab Americans are racially profiled in what's called "secret evidence".
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/election/2000debates/2ndebate3.html


(interesting...I missed that during the debates)

30. In July, 2001, an executive order was issued which “blocks all property and interests in property of the Taliban and prohibits trade-related transactions by United States persons involving the territory of Afghanistan controlled by the Taliban.”
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/07/20010702-10.html

Please discuss the American government’s role and position, either officially or unofficially in discussions/negotiations with the Taliban in 2001 and their timing and appropriateness with respect to the executive order of July 2, 2001 mentioned above. According to an article in Salon, 6-05-02:

“The Bush White House stepped up negotiations with the Taliban in 2001. When those talks stalled in July, a Bush administration representative threatened the Taliban with military reprisals if the government did not go along with American demands.”
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/06/05/memo/index_np.html

36. On February 29, 2004, the Seattle Times ran this headline “U.S. changes tactics, adds forces in hunt for bin Laden” and went on to say, “President Bush has approved a plan to intensify the effort to capture or kill Osama bin Laden…” Please explain why there has not been a consistently intense push since September 11th to capture or kill bin Laden.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2001867838_binladen29.html

39. What type of federal rescue measures are in place in the event of an attack on our nation, in terms of personnel and equipment?



While I personally think that some of the 9-11 family members have publicaly disgraced themselves, there are some good questions here. Bush seems to be turning out like his father, and he doesn't communicate well with the public.

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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

A growing percentage of these 9/11 families only raise these questions, to get press time.

I agree with you a lot of their conduct has been discraceful, which is one of the main reasons why the 9/11 commision has become the zoo that it has.

Anybody who thinks that anything worthwhile will come from it is deluding themselves.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8115 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1464 times:

"A growing percentage of these 9/11 families only raise these questions, to get press time." L-188, you never cease to amaze me. You're saying these people are only interested in celebrity?! And therefore that their questions have no merit?!

PS to MD-90: when the Saudis left the US on private jets after 9/11, they were the only civilians in the sky - it was during the lockdown, not after.



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User currently offlineGlobalexpress From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2002, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

What an insult to those who were killed; what do YOU think should be done to put this commission back on track? After all, every bit of American foreign policy today is affected by what happened to the relatives of those families on that day, so its surely more important to be shrugged off by you, L-188.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1462 times:

In many cases......

Yes.

And in many cases are they trying to dog the current Admin.

Yes.

Fact is the seeds of these event where planted well before the 2000 election, but the rate these people are going, we will never find out what really happened.

Too much politicing is entering the process.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineGlobalexpress From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2002, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

Cool, it was Clinton's fault anyway.

lol.

 Yeah sure


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1454 times:

Cedarjet, are you sure?

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

I did not say that Globalexpress.

I am sure there are plenty of accusations and missed opportunties to go around.



[Edited 2004-06-04 11:52:58]


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User currently offlineGlobalexpress From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2002, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1441 times:

True, your implication was clear for us all to see however  Smile Nobody can be absolutely sure.

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8115 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1434 times:

Yes I'm sure about the Bin Ladens being flown out of the country when the rest of us, including those who'd lost people in the catastrophe and had freshly-widowed friends in NYC, were still grounded.


fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1423 times:

Bush seems to be turning out like his father, and he doesn't communicate well with the public.

I think his father was a better president, simply because he wasn't so rigid in his beliefs. And, in his war, he consulted our allies, and interested parties, he didn't piss them off by telling them to shove it up their collective butts.

And it took you THIS long, MD-90, to figure out he doesn't communicate well?  Smile

A growing percentage of these 9/11 families only raise these questions, to get press time.

You treat the 9/11 families worse than I would treat a worn-down dog, L-188, and all to try to protect George W. Bush. It speaks with complete dishonor.

Most families are raising these questions, as many Americans are, because answers have been hard to come by with this President, who treats everything as a secret.

I am sure there are plenty of accusations and missed opportunties to go around.

Sure, but just as so we deflect them away from the Administration, right L-188?  Laugh out loud You blame everyone but this President.

And, once more, tell me again, "I'm not a Republican."  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1422 times:

Actually Alpha1, I did take some shots at him in regards to his recent souvenir from Iraq.
.
You must have missed that.


Are you keeping score? I wouldn't want you to miss any others



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1419 times:

The scale is so far tipped to one side, that a little tidbit about his souvenir (You're referring to Saddam's gun now in the White House, I presume), doesn't mean a whole lot.

You spend most your time on here trying to deflect any criticism of the man. You've become almost as rabid in that quest as B757300.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1418 times:

Nope.

And you explain to me why he can have a pistol from Iraq brought to the states and the GI who actually fought the war can't?

It's a double standard.

Oh and BTW,

Didn't I challenge you to find just one post where I speak positively of the creation of the TSA?

Did you have any luck?



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1414 times:

Like I said, L-188, you want me to put more weight on the one or two things (at most) that you mildly critisize Bush for, against your maniacal defense of him on this board, and give them equal weight? Sorry, doesn't work that way.

And which souvenir are you referring to? I've heard how he likes to show off Saddam's pistol, which, to me, strikes me as very childish, especially with a war still raging.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1410 times:

Showing off the pistol isn't that weird.

Especially one with that level of historical significance.

My understanding is that the most requisted item for veiwing in the FBI weapons museum is the Colt .45 that Elvis Prestley gave Richard Nixon.

Apparently nobody knew he had it one him until the metal dectors at the door(even back then) and he had it tucked in his belt.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1409 times:

You may think it's no big deal, but I think it's like a little kid showing off something he found at the playground. He's acting like a little kid, as far as I'm concerned. Cowboys and their guns, eh, L-188?  Laugh out loud

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1405 times:

Nothing wrong with cowboys Alpha1, but I do caution you, I think the rumors about him sleeping with it under his pillow are just a bit far fetched.

I personally would still like to be my hands on a .357 or .30 Carbine Blackhawk.

Would make a nice intermediate cartridge size between by .22WMR and my .45 Long Colt Blackhawk.

But it is no different then any other gift any other statesman gets.

That is one of the reasons they have those presidental libraries. To house all that stuff since they can't take it home with them.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineGlobalexpress From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2002, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1402 times:

It seems like too much of a trophy to me. As if to say "look Dad, I got him for ya and heres the proof"..

I don't think you can compare it to US GI's taking Lugers in WW2, though. Its a bit different even to GI's taking souvenirs from Iraq THIS time around - they fought for them I guess. Did George?


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1398 times:

No and that is exactly my point.

Why should he get a pistol from Iraq, when the GI's who are over there can't





OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineGlobalexpress From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2002, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1397 times:

Because hes GEORGE W. BUSH. President of the WORLD!!11

He can do anything, even start a war if he fancies  Smile


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1392 times:

King of the World?

Wasn't that what's his name....Directed Titanic.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineGlobalexpress From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2002, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1389 times:

James Cameron? Hehe.. yeah, he DID create the Terminator after all! Reckon hes a Republican Governor candidate too?

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1379 times:

Of course no one mentions that the "9-11" families that the media is always talking about are almost always from a group called "September 11th Families For Peaceful Tomorrows". These people are supported by the a group that is administered by none other than John Kerry's wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry. "Peaceful Tomorrows" has been active in anti-Bush protests for several years now so it is no surprise that they're against the ads. The two main people you hear that are bashing Bush in the media are Colleen Kelly, Andrew Rice, David Potorti, and Kelly Campbell, all of whom are prominent members of "Peaceful Tomorrows". They also has direct ties to Moveon.org, the communist Internet site. Several of "Peaceful Tomorrows" events have been arraigned and funed by Moveon.org. It is already well known that Moveon.org is a group of people that represent the absolute worst of the left in the United States.

19. Who approved the flight of the bin Laden family out of the United States when all commercial flights were grounded, when there was time for only minimal questioning by the FBI, and especially, when two of those same individuals had links to WAMY, a charity suspected of funding terrorism? Why were bin Laden family members granted that special privilege—a privilege not available to American families whose loved ones were killed on 9/11?

By his own admission, Democrat golden boy Richard Clarke.

http://www.thehill.com/news/052604/clarke.aspx



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

Are you kidding if Dubya tried to answer any of those he suffer a catastrophic anyurism!


BN747



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25 JeffM : Actually, those families should be asking questions.... Lots and lots of them. But I am afraid some people here may not like the answers... "Why don't
26 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Gee, stop the Press, JeffM tries to interject Bill Clinton in a thread critical of George W. Bush. Mercy, what an original idea.
27 NWA742 : Gee, stop the Press, JeffM tries to interject Bill Clinton in a thread critical of George W. Bush. Mercy, what an original idea. Alpha 1 stop being a
28 MD-90 : So ANYWAY, back to the questions... Enough squabbling, although I do think the Bush-Saddam's gun episode is a bit trite.
29 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Alpha 1 stop being a damn hypocrite. Time and time again you always whine about righties bringing Clinton into a thread about Bush, yet you attempt to
30 Post contains links L-188 : Alpha1 is right, I am not a republican but rather an Alaskan Independent http://www.akip.org However of the national parties, the Republicans tend to
31 QANTASFOREVER : Of course no one mentions that the "9-11" families that the media is always talking about are almost always from a group called "September 11th Famili
32 Alpha 1 : Alpha1 is right, I am not a republican but rather an Alaskan Independent. One of the great falsehoods being foisted on Anet. You are, through and thro
33 L-188 : The problem lies QANTASFOREVER is that they are so polticising the commisions, that nothing will be found that is worthwhile or actionable. This commi
34 MD-90 : L-188 is hardly a right wing lunatic.
35 Alpha 1 : L-188 is hardly a right wing lunatic. One right-wing lunatic telling me that another one isn't, doesn't exactly fill me with confidence, MD-90.
36 QANTASFOREVER : Everyone holds political views of varying intensity. If these people want to be angry with GWB then fine - they can be angry. That said, they have fre
37 BN747 : L-188 is hardly a right wing lunatic. Holy shit! There are NO living, breathing, right-wing republicans to right of either of you! The other 4 heel-cl
38 Post contains images NWA742 : I bring up Bush in threads about Bush, or about the war in Iraq, or about American policy. I'll admit that you don't do it as often as other lefties a
39 L-188 : My god I never knew my poltical affilliations could be the subject of so much date. Well let me set the record straight. I have not now nor have I eve
40 Post contains images Alpha 1 : David Duke can.. but he's in jail! He is? Not that I care one rats ass about that racists, white-sheeted bastard, but I didn't know that. I'll admit t
41 StarAC17 : L-188 isn't a Republican and neither is B757300, JeffM, or MD-90 they claim that they are but how they present themselves they are far too right to be
42 NWA742 : You go find them for me. Go on. I'm waiting. Very well Alpha 1, you deny that you bring your ramblings about Bush, conservatives, republicans, etc. in
43 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Funny, NWA742, not once in those paragraphs did I mention George W. Bush. Not once. So, what did you prove? That you can't get the gist of what you yo
44 Post contains images NWA742 : Funny, NWA742, not once in those paragraphs did I mention George W. Bush. Not once. So what? So all the other constant ramblings about republicans and
45 Post contains images Alpha 1 : So what? So all the other constant ramblings about republicans and conservatives suddenly don't count? Here was your original beef: " but I know I've
46 Post contains images NWA742 : Here was your original beef: " but I know I've seen you bring your ramblings about Bush into topics with have nothing to do with him." It was about Bu
47 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Ah, I see the mistake I've made. I left the rest about conservatives and republicans out, sorry about that. But that was what I intended to accuse you
48 Post contains images NWA742 : Sorry mister, you blew it! Ah don't be an ass about it. Just a simple typo. In the rest of our argument I made it clear as to what I was accusing you
49 MD-90 : SOOOOO anyone want to discuss any of the questions? Here's a good one. 23. Which individuals, governments, agencies, institutions, or groups may have
50 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Ah don't be an ass about it. Just a simple typo. In the rest of our argument I made it clear as to what I was accusing you of anyways, and, I'm afraid
51 Post contains images NWA742 : Damn, but you're in a hissyfit about this, aren't you! Are you kidding? I'm in a great mood right now! And I'm afraid, NWA742, all you did, my friend,
52 Alpha 1 : you are just killing your credibility here. ROTFL. You wish. I'd have a little more respect for you if you just came out and said you're a rightie, an
53 Post contains images NWA742 : ROTFL. You wish. Nope, I see. I'd have a little more respect for you if you just came out and said you're a rightie I've already said I'm a conservati
54 Post contains links MD-90 : Ed sent me a link regarding the September 20, 2001 departure of 26 people, many of whom were bin Laden's relatives. Guess who gave the authorization f
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