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Stem Cell Research Ban - For It Or Against It?  
User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1733 times:

Since this subject, which is VERY near and dear to my heart, was breached in another thread (http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/571833/), I thought I'd start a (vainly yet hopefully) debate on the subject.

Where do you weigh in on the subject of banning expanded stem cell lines for greater research? Do you think it is ethical (my position) or unethical (GWB's position) to use aborted fetuses to harvest new lines of embryonic stem cells for medical research?

Personally, I think that the benefits far outweigh any potential harm - Afterall, the aborted fetuses are being thrown away anyway. I don't agree with abortion but it is the law of the land. Since it is, rather than trying to reverse Rowe vs. Wade, why not take a bad thing (and this is not a debate on the merits or drawbacks of abortion - so don't skew it that way) and make something positive come from it?

Stem Cell Research is the most promising line of research (I think) going on today. The possibilities are limitless as these Embryonic Stem Cells can make themselves into any human cell needed. I understand that German doctors have done 35 experimental therapies on 35 different heart patients with chronic heart disease and had 35 complete successes - a 100% positive rate! Results like that are unheard of with other treatment regimens.

Why then do we consider it unethical to let literally millions of people suffer from things that can be corrected by using embryonic stem cells? I also understand that scientists have severed the spinal cords of lab rats, leaving them paralyzed, injected them with rodent embryonic stem cells, and within weeks, they are walking again!

OK, enough on my side of this debate, let's hear your side....

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1728 times:

Moralistically, yes...

...but in all practicality, in the situations where they're just going to be destroyed/discarded.... may as well put them to good use.


User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

I think anything that can HELP the population is good, even if it means getting the extremist Christians or pro life activists getting their panties in a bundle because it's helping the population through the long term.


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User currently offlineTubbyboeing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1722 times:

I am very much for Stem Cell Research. I also think that it has huge potential and besides, I am a Biotech student...we need stuff like this, otherwise I will be out of a job soon Big grin

User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

I think it's a sin in itself that people could be so against something that has to potential to help millions of people with all kinds of ails. I couldn't be more for it.


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User currently offlineIHadAPheo From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 6027 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1714 times:

In seeing that both my daughter and myself have Neurofibromatosis (NF1 a genetic disorder), I am in favor of stemcell research, I however am not in favor of abrtion on demand and even though my daughter and myself could benefit from fetal stem cell reasearch I would haveto place limits on how the "stem cells" are obtained.

If the under current law the fetus is "disposed" of I would say even considering my own personal beliefs I would allow their use for stem cell research, as long as the fetus was not aborted for profit just to obtain the stem cells.

IHAP




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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1715 times:

Don't tell Alpha1 but I disagree with GW on that call too.


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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

I am 100% for Stem Cell research. I wish GW and the religious right knew how promising this research will be. It's been found that neural stem cells that become carcinogenic cause things like pediatric brain cancer. If only there was more access to money in stem cell research, we would find out how to use gene therapy and stop the tumors.

I hope that one good thing will come out of President Reagan's death. I hope that Nancy will use this to bring to light how important this research is for us as people and as a nation. Is it any wonder that all the latest advances in stem cell research is now coming out of other countries? Bush and his religious right are keeping us from the next frontier of medical research.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

Well, then we agree, L-188, but don't keep telling me you're not in his back pocket.

I'm all for this research, since it could lead to all kinds of breakthroughs in the fight against cancer, Alzehimers, maybe even some day other brutal diseases like ALS. I'm certainly not for abortion, but it is legal, and while it is, why not use it to foster some good in the world?

It's all well and good to be moralistic about it, as CondordeBoy says, and I cannot fault him for that, but the bottom line is this could be a boon to helping manking live better, longer lives. I'd say lift the ban.


User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

GWB's rules on stemcell research are quite sad. Many scientists have had to leave the counry to do their research. And with a few more years work, who knows what we could achieve.

I remember reading an article a while back saying how close scientists were to making kidneys. This alone could easily save thousands. Hopefully, Bush will reconsider his stand after the election.


User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1699 times:
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most people would identify me as a conservative, but I am fully behind stem cell research. The benefits of this research far outweigh the moral concerns. We can let the material go to waste, or use it to try and create something good. We will eventually have to draw a line somewhere about how far we wil go in medical research, and probably sooner rather than later, but this research is benign and will save lives. The material gathered from placentas would be wasted otherwise. Material gathered from aborted fetuses should be used as well until such time as education and moral development convice people that abortion is about killing a developing child. Let their deaths at least mean something.


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User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1694 times:

I also support the research, another way for the liberals that I disagree with GWB.

User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1687 times:

Well hell, if the aborted babies are dead anyway...

As long as babies aren't conceived and then harvested for their stem cells (which I have no doubt will come up as an issue in the future).

There are 40,000 abortions a day in the United States. Shouldn't we put some of them to good use?



I don't really like the idea of stem cell research, but I'm sure it's inevitable.

[Edited 2004-06-07 03:18:36]

User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1677 times:

There are 40,000 abortions a day in the United States


Mind giving a source? Somehow I don't believe that number, seems WAY too high... That number seems fit for a year though...



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User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1665 times:

There are 40,000 abortions a day in the United States


Mind giving a source? Somehow I don't believe that number, seems WAY too high... That number seems fit for a year though...


Given the number of abortion clinics in most major cities and metropolitan areas around the country, even one abortion daily at each facility could easily garner a number that high.

The sad truth to this ban is, abortions are still going on at the same rate as before the ban. Even if that 40,000 figure is inflated - even if it is only 400 a day - that's 400 chances we threw away needlessly. 400 chances to cure Alzhiemer's (and I do realize that my mother, who has Alzhiemer's, will not regain her lost memories); 400 chances to cure cancer; 400 chances to correct heart disease, lung disease, kidney disease, ALS and any of a thousand other diseases. What a waste!  Crying

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

Well, then we agree, L-188, but don't keep telling me you're not in his back pocket

I know, I know, your perception of the world is implode.

We will give you the time that you need.

Just because I don't vocally air my grievances as readily as some here do doesn't make me an arse kisser.



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User currently offlineIHadAPheo From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 6027 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

I thought that the number was more like 1.5 million abortions/year, I have a link that says it was about 1.3 million in 2001. If we take the above mentioned 40,000 abortions/day = about 14,600,000 abortions/year so someone is off by 10x.

1.3 million abortions/year or 14.6 million abortions/year ?? not that much of a difference

Just as an example in 2002 there were 4,019,280 births if we take the 40,000 abortions/day 14,000,000/year are we to think that there are 3x the number of abortions than there are births??

I find it interesting when people make blanket statements about "not liking the idea of stem cell research", without making any more detailed explaination of their opinion, (about the actual stem cell research and NOT the source of the stem cells) and use their own opinions and just copy and paste another's words.

As I stated above I am far from pro-choice in fact in many ways i am pro-life but the value of stem cell research is great and as long as there is no profit given to the source of the cells I am all for it.

Could be if someone you loved even yourself would benefit from this research as would i an or my daughter i wonder if people would still say "I don't really like the idea of stem cell research". But it is easier to make a blanket statement or someone else's words that bring your own opinions to the table




Birth number link
http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/aabirthrate.htm

Abortion number link
http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstats.htm



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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1654 times:

"I don't really like the idea of stem cell research, but I'm sure it's inevitable."


What part of stem cell research don't you like, MD-90?



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User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3986 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1648 times:

I'm for stem cell research. It has the potential to help alot of people.


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16282 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1642 times:

I fully support stem cell research. The potential benefits are too great to not support it.


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User currently offlineDasa From East Timor, joined Aug 2001, 760 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1638 times:

Largely seems to be a consensus on this issue. I am also for stem cell research.

User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1369 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1638 times:

I also support stem cell research, and I was disappointed with Bush's decision, although I understand why he made the choice he did. I agree with him that it would be wrong to "farm" stem cells from embryos created in the lab, but I don't believe that harvesting them from aborted fetuses is morally equivalent; as others have said, it's a waste not to. Also, it seems that the existing stem cell lines are not as robust as thought when Bush made the decision in 2001. Hopefully Nancy Reagan and others will eventually get the policy changed.

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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

I understand why he made the choice he did.

I don't. Stop using your bible-thumping bullshit to formulate public health policy for all. There's plenty of room for oversight of scientific endeavors on an ethical basis without all of the added political baggage of signing bills in the name of the Lord.



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1628 times:

I am very for it. My grandfather has Muscular Dhystrophy, and I have watched him suffer through it. I would like to see them advance in it, so they could rebuild nerve and muscle cells and help people like him out. I agree that we should put the aborted babies to use, it would help a lot of people in need of cells, and its better than wasting a valuable commodity.

-Copa


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

I meant I am for research, and against the ban, just to clarify that. I think the ban is ridiculous. Just clearing up things.

-Copa


25 Gigneil : I am very much for it. Strangely, most conservatives are for it, only the ultrareligious are not. Bush, a relatively moderate Christian, seems out of
26 FSPilot747 : For it. It's a shame that religion gets in the way of such potential benifit. This is the stuff of dreams. FSP
27 Post contains images MxCtrlr : Can anyone verify if German doctors have successfully treated 35 or 36 patients with chronic heart disease? I remember a buddy of mine telling me he s
28 MD-90 : Oops. I was flippantly going by my memory. I think it should be 4,000 abortions per day, not 40,000/day. It's become popular in recent years for Chris
29 MD-90 : Oh, and by the way, I am not exactly enthusiastic about stem cell research because stem cells are embryonic cells that are quite capable of growing in
30 Mdsh00 : MD-90. You gave the example of heart attacks. Fine. What about genetic diseases like Alzheimers and other medical conditions? Do you think that its ok
31 Post contains links and images MxCtrlr : It looks like the tide might be turning finally! (Let's hope!) http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/STEM_CELLS?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=HOME If nothing el
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