Qb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2050 posts, RR: 4 Posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8150 times:
Yeap! In case you didn't know, there is going to be a federal election in Canada this coming June 28th.
And this is the official thread to talk about it.
There are 308 MPs to elect. The main political parties are, in alphabetic order:
- Bloc Québécois (BQ- mostly center-left, dedicated to separate the province of Québec from Canada);
- Conservative Party of Canada (CPC- fiscally conservative, center-right socially);
- Liberal Party of Canada (LPC - fiscally conservative, center socially);
- New Democratic Party (NDP - social-democrat).
The main issue: the Liberal Party is trying to get re-elected for a forth term in a row. Main campaign issue seems to be healthcare financing. But, a major scandal of corruption, involving the LPC, does also haunt this campaign.
Results of the last election, held in 2000, were:
- LPC: 173 seats, 41% (of the votes)
- CPC: 78 seats, 38%
- BQ: 37 seats, 11%
- NDP: 13 seats, 9%.
So, use this thread to share all you want about the next Canadian election. Hey...
Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
Qb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2050 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8133 times:
Let me start by sharing my prediction for the number of seats, per political party (if you look at my predictions about the NHL playoffs, you shouldn't give too much credits to the predictions I make in general - but I was right about Michael Moore winning the Palme d'Or in Cannes though...)
So, here I dive:
- LPC: 141
- CPC: 99
- BQ: 50
- NDP: 18.
According to these very scientific predictions, the LPC will try to form an alliance with the NDP to form a government.
Edited note: BTW, if you're from Canada, why don't you tell us what you ridding is. Mine is Marc-Aurèle Fortin.
[Edited 2004-05-25 19:34:58]
Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8129 times:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the Libs days are probably numbered. Having just lived through the dramatic upset of the Indian elections, maybe I'm slightly biased but the groundswell of populism seems to be more against the Liberals than for them. Their only selling point is that Paul Martin himself is largely viewed as a competent and tested leader, something that alas is not the case with Harper or even (*shudder*) Jack Layton.
While your numbers foresee the NDP being the kingmakers (and leading to a somewhat natural alliance with the liberals), what about a situation that would leave the Bloc as the kingmakers? Just shift your projections a few seats each way and it could potentially be the most volatile coalition parliament since Joe Clark! What would M. Duceppe do? And more importantly, how would the rest of Canada deal with that.
Qb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2050 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8120 times:
what about a situation that would leave the Bloc as the kingmakers? Just shift your projections a few seats each way
First, those are just predictions, just for the fun of it. So don't read too much into them.
It is conceivable (not according to my prediction but, as you said, by shifting a few seats here and there) that a government could be formed on a CPC-BQ ticket. But, ideologically speaking, these parties don't have much in common, except their idea that the federal government takes too much place. They both come to that conclusion, but coming from entirely different paths, obviously.
The BQ leaders are still saying they wouldn't want to be part of a Canadian government. Which, in their case, is quite logical. But, somehow, faced with that possibility, I somehow believe they might change their mind. I don't think Quebeckers would be happy to see the BQ snubbing this opportunity. Yvan Loubier as finance minister? Why not; he was consistently better than Paul Martin at predicting the evolution of the economy and the federal government finances...
It would certainly be hard-felt in the ROC, but that would send a great message to Quebeckers, and that would also be an excellent way to undermine separatist feelings in Québec. But wake me up someone; I'm dreaming here...
Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
Jutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8104 times:
Main campaign issue seems to be healthcare financing.
The Liberals think that by just throwing money at Healthcare it will fix itself...WRONG. Canada already spends the most money on healthcare in the world, yet we have the 8th or 9th in terms of quality. The waiting lists for a simple MRI are 6 months or more.
If you give a hospital or province 1 billion for healthcare, you can bet that they will find a way to spend every cent of that billion, typical socialism. Canada's healthcare system will not survive another 5 years if we can't adopt a Semi-Private system.
Posted on another thread:
Problems with Liberals:
$1 BILLION wasted on registering law abiding gun owners
Maher Arar betrayal to the Syrians, then ignored his pleas for help
Khadr terrorists not arrested
Democratic Deficit - appointing candidates
Secret Lieberal Slush Fund
Canada Steamship Funding Lie ($135 thousand vs $161 MILLION)
Abolish NAFTA Lie
Abolish GST Lie
Pearson Airport Payoff
Destruction of the Cod Fishery
The tainted blood scandal, coverup, and the paltry deal
Devalued Canadian Dollar ($1.05 to $0.64 American)
Ciprogate
Ripping off veteran's and widow's pensions
The botched Airbus scandal investigation
The cancelled Somalia "inquiry"
The cancelled APEC "inquiry"
The cancelled AdScam "inquiry"
The "Shawinigan Strangle"
The HRDC billion dollar boondoggle
No New Helicopters for the Army, but New Challenger Jets for Chretien
Wheat farmers arrested for selling their own wheat
Gutting $25 billion dollars out of health care
Big Brother Files (aka the HRDC "Longitudinal Files")
Election gag order restricting freedom of speach
EI regulation vote buying flip-flop (x2)
$40 billion dollars ripped off from the EI fund
Highest tax rate in the G7
Native Treatment Center Scandal
The Fake Flag Fiasco
Leaky Used British Submarines
Thousands of missing refugee claimants
Thousands of "extra" Social Insurance Cards
Looking forward to the election, my first time voting. I think the Liberals will get re-elected, but it's going to be a very, very interesting campaign.
Goose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1837 posts, RR: 20 Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8076 times:
But, ideologically speaking, these parties don't have much in common, except their idea that the federal government takes too much place. They both come to that conclusion, but coming from entirely different paths, obviously.
The Bloc itself traces its roots to the Progressive Conservatives; many of its original members were PCs under the Mulroney government. Around the same time Mulroney quit the party, Bouchard did too.... striking out on his own, founding the Bloc.
I don't think I've ever heard of the Bloc having a distinct ideology or stance on the political structure - other than they want Quebec to have less ties to the rest of Canada, if not actual independance. One could assume that their ideology, then, isn't much different than the original Tories were.....
Correct me if I'm wrong.... I don't pay attention to Quebecois politics.
Qb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2050 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8073 times:
I don't think I've ever heard of the Bloc having a distinct ideology or stance on the political structure
Well, for better and for worst, BQ's only real ideology is "Quebec First".
But if you'd take a look at how the BQ voted at the House of Commons, you'd see that 9 times out of 10, they voted alongside the NDP. And, for obvious reasons, the BQ has much more roots in the Parti Québécois, which is undeniably social-democrat, than in the Conservative Party.
But sometimes, the party is rocked by tension between the dominant social-democrat forces and the more conservative forces, on issues that have no real impact on Québec alone. A good example would be same-sex marriage. In the end, the dominant social-democrat views of the BQ prevailed, but it's clear some members disagreed with their party's stance on this issue.
By and large, the BQ is mostly social-democrat.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
My riding is Gatineau, which has elected Liberal deputies for the last 4 terms, and probably will again with the new, unknown Liberal candidate, Françoise Boivin. The reason is simple. The federal gov. employs directly or indirectly nearly the whole population.
My opinion on the different parties:
BQ: A lost vote, it simply cannot form a government.
CPC: It's the alliance in disguise and a real danger for Quebec. Be sure that a
CPC government will only push Quebec in 3 years to bring back the PQ and vote massively "Yes" at a new referendum. As for semi-private healthcare, it's not the way to go and most Canadians agree on that in the polls. The feds need to re-invest in healthcare, but not only to improve the system, but also for PREVENTION. That's the best way to reduce waiting lists. Inform people about what services are available and what causes many diseases that lead to hospitalizing.
LPC: They've been there for too long now. Too many scandals and corruption in that party for it to be legitimate.
NDP: Social-democracy, equal, universal rights and open-minded politics.
AC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8026 times:
Well since I'm south of the border right now, I just got my special ballot in the mail. Filled it out and popped it back in the box to Elections Canada, so I just voted for the first time, wow I feel so significant.
Phxairfan From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 811 posts, RR: 12 Reply 14, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8026 times:
You mean they vote for leaders in Canada? I thought the political parties played a big hockey game and whoever won took power. Wouldn't that be a great policy for America too, just change it to football. Who else here would like to see GWB chase Kerry down and tackle him. Or for the Dem's see Hillary sack Rumsfeld as he drops back to pass?
P.S I hear Paul Martin's got a lightning quick glove hand.
No, no, no, I get it. Yeah. He's the girl, and you're the girl, and sometimes you're both the girl. Right? That's Hot.
Canuckpaxguy From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 1509 posts, RR: 59 Reply 17, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7984 times:
JUTES - That's one hell of a list buddy! I think it's more than a little far-fetched, but I respect your opinion.
Notwithstanding Jutes' list, I would STILL vote for the Liberals for lack of any better alternative. In federal elections, I must admit I vote primarily for the leader rather than platforms, as I have lost ALL faith in any platforms. A true test of a good government is the leader of the pack and how s/he handles him/herself both internally, in front of Canadians and around the world.
Jack Layton is married to one of the least respected Torontonians ever. My advice for him: dump her and win the T.O. vote. Oh yeah, and stop hugging that damn tree.
Harper - Good guy, wrong party. The silenced internal meltdown will soon resurface making him completely useless as a forward thinking leader.
Martin - (My vote). STOP HANGING AROUND WITH DALTON MCGUINTY!! Nothing good can come from associating yourself with him or any other members of the Ontario Liberal Party! You rightfully disassociated yourself from Mr. Chretien, if for no other reason than to manage public perception, and it was a good move.
B747-437B: IMO - John McCallum is a very good man. He's not stupid either. I can't vote for him since he's not in my riding, but I'd support him if he was.
Seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 8609 posts, RR: 19 Reply 18, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7983 times:
The US is so poor for Canadian news. What ever happened to the Canadian Alliance? Is this just a vote for Prime Minister and Parlement? When do you hold elections for Premiers?
GO CANUCKS!!
Wheel of morality turn, turn, turn. Tell us the lesson that we should learn
Canuckpaxguy From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 1509 posts, RR: 59 Reply 19, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7979 times:
Seb:
The Ontario elections were held recently and we made a HUGE mistake! I'm proud to say I didn't vote for Dalton McGuinty, and I want to have a chat with whoever did! (Democracy has its good points and bad I suppose!) lol.
Canadian Alliance merged. Neither party had a hope on their own.
Provincial elections (for Premiers) have no correlation to federal elections.
Canadians do not (necessarily) vote for the PM directly. You vote for the MP (Member of Parliament) in your riding who belongs to a political party usually. The successful candidate wins a "seat" in the House of Commons. The leader of the party with the most seats becomes Prime Minister.
Canuckpaxguy From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 1509 posts, RR: 59 Reply 21, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7969 times:
Thanks L-188 --- I actually wrote my thesis paper on the flaws in the Canadian Electoral System to get my undergrad degree. I read it once in a while to get a good laugh. Thank God I went to business school afterwards to straighten me out!!!
Canuckpaxguy From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 1509 posts, RR: 59 Reply 23, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7967 times:
Agreed YHMFAN. This election is ALL about the leaders (see reply #17).
I wish I had a typist so I could go on my tangent about the overall poor quality of political leaders in Canada, but I'll try to get it in quickly:
There is absolutely no worthwhile incentive for good people to become politicians in Canada. It sure as hell isn't for the pay...Good leaders stay in the corporate world where they earn much larger salaries for much less hassle. There's no prestige value --- people hate politicians in this country. The perks are slowing but surely disappearing (and rightfully so!).
No matter what you do, someone's pissed at you, and 50 little media geeks trying to make a name for themselves are slamming you in every paper across the country (with or without facts to back it up).
Why would anyone bother with politics any more? The nobility of the profession is gone. Once in a while we get a great leader, but usually all we've got to deal with are the Dalton McGuintys and Sheila Coppses of the country.
Elections have become more about picking the 'lesser of the evils' instead of the best person for the job.
Yhmfan From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 604 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7959 times:
canuckpaxguy;
I am a businessman with some interaction with local politicians. I can tell you from experience that, for the vast majority of them, every decision making process is more about "How it will play in the media" and less about "doing the right thing". Unfortunate, but this is the price we pay for democracy.
You are also correct in stating that, for the most part, the best qualified people will not run for office. Every now and then, we get lucky and get one that wants the job for the right reasons. Sadly, a very very rare occasion!
This is the first election in many years where I am frustrated as to who to vote for. I simply cannot decide which of the parties is the lesser of evils.
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you
25 B747-437B: The Ontario elections were held recently and we made a HUGE mistake For all Dalton's flaws, do you really believe that Eves was the better option? The
26 Canuckpaxguy: Dalton is all over the place with his policies. He should have done some homework before making the promises he couldn't keep. What's the broken promi
27 L-188: Question: What party was Glenn Clark from?
28 Yyz717: My guess: Liberal 124 Conservative 110 BQ 55 NDP 18 Green 1 What party was Glenn Clark from? Former NDP Premier of BC.
29 L-188: OK, NDP. The man couldn't count fish to save his life. Isn't he in jail now?
30 Airplay: Harper was here in Winnipeg this week jamming his foot in his mouth. Our mayor resigned very recently to run as Liberal in the upcoming federal electi
31 Yyz717: OK, NDP. Isn't he in jail now? No, but he should be, as should all socialists.
32 L-188: Well the man was soft on Terrorism, when it suited his interests, particularly during the 1996 Alaska/BC salmon war. In 1996 the Alaska State Ferry Ma
33 B747-437B: No, but he should be, as should all socialists. But I thought you were a huge Jack Layton fan???? I guess we won't be seeing any "Elect Olivia Chow" s
34 B747-437B: He should have done some homework before making the promises he couldn't keep Again, not to condone Dalton's broken promises but the vast majority of
35 CPDC10-30: This election I don't think I am going to vote for anyone. I will go out at least to make the effort but I will be spoiling the ballot. I am living in
36 Goose: Although Stephen Harper tries to gloss over the fact, many of his members in parliment are still the same old redneck homo-baiters that they were in t
37 B747-437B: I am living in the Toronto-Danforth riding and both leading candidates, Jack Layton (the NDP leader too chicken to ask for a byelection) and the incum
38 CPDC10-30: Having Jack (and his mouth) as a sitting MP will definitely add some spice to the next parliament! I would rather keep laughing at Jack when he prete
39 Yyz717: Although Stephen Harper tries to gloss over the fact, many of his members in parliment are still the same old redneck homo-baiters that they were in t
40 CPDC10-30: This is a myth. I was exagerating my point a bit. No, they're not all terrible and rednecks but the fact remains that their lack of support for gay r
41 SafeFlyer: Quote from Neil: No, but he should be, as should all socialists. What a GRAND sense of democracy, may I ask you to elaborate further on WHY? They have
42 B747-437B: may I ask you to elaborate further on WHY? Neil's really a closet Jack Layton fan. He just says this in public to maintain his tough guy image!
43 A380: I sigh at the observation that many people like better service for less and do not care where the money will come from, as if everything should be for
44 Cytz_pilot: Agreed A380, The debt that province and country has incurred has meant that for years, we were getting more services than we were paying for, and now
45 A380: Cytz_pilot, I really can't see ANY incentive to keep budget minimized. If I were a manager in a hospital, I don't even need to be taught to spend all
46 Jutes85: Today, Harper promised more spending and personel for the military. I can say that more money is defiantly a must. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm
47 Goose: Today, Harper promised more spending and personel for the military. I can say that more money is defiantly a must. It's a must, but throwing money at
48 Qb001: Today, Harper promised more spending and personal for the military. I can say that more money is defiantly a must. I'm all for reinvesting in the CAF.
49 Goose: Put a grain of salt on that. The role of the military is always to be ready for a full-scale war. So in that sense, those numbers are not as awkward a
50 Jutes85: I believe that for a UN peacekeeping nation, our military is nowhere near sufficient enough. The CF needs to replace the flying coffins(sea kings) imm
51 Goose: I don't even know why Martin sent in troops into Haiti in the first place. BTW, the Canadian troops were sent to Haiti via American transport aircraft
52 A380: Harper and the CPC want to kowtow to the US badly, that's just one reason I won't vote for PC. If you think you are paying way too much tax today, I d
53 Goose: If you think you are paying way too much tax today, I don't want to think of how much more we are going to pay for a military with 10% of the US war c
54 L-188: Canada for years has had the habit of buy military equipment 20 years after other countries have feilded it. I can come up with examples if you like.
55 Goose: The latest being the purchase of the G-wagon, to replace the Iltis. Garbage in, garbage out.......
56 Yyz717: For example, Canada has just as many Admirals, Generals and so on now, as they did during the Second World War. That, despite the fact that we had ove
57 L-188: Goose, my thoughts on military equipment purchases by Forces Canada. How the purcurment process works. 1. Identify the need. 2. Develop the ideal solu
58 Qb001: Well, we still don't know what exactly is Harper's foreign policy, nor do we know why he wants the CAF to have 80000 troops. I'm not saying it's bad t
59 L-188: Yeah, there used to be a time when investing in Canadian defense actually meant investing in Canadian Industries. Anyboyd Remember the Arrow? Or the Y
60 Goose: Not the case any more. Despite the procurement process being intentionally biased towards 'buying Canadian,' the result has been a parade of substanda
61 L-188: LSVW is a italian truck, Western Star just bought the rights. The sad part about the Iltis, is that it was allready being replaced by the G-wagon at t
62 Goose: Buy vehicles like that definatly puts you behind the learning curve as far as modernization of forces. How can you have a modern military when you are
63 Airplay: Buy vehicles like that definatly puts you behind the learning curve as far as modernization of forces. Yes...we should be buying Patriot Missles...we
64 L-188: Not arguing that the equipment need to fit the job, quite the opposite. You guys need to equip your miliary with equipment that will work and do the j
65 Goose: Canada needs to maintain an appropriate armed forces. Not the most elite and best equipped in the world. Adequate to meet our defense obligations. "Ad
66 Qb001: You guys are being very vibrant and convinced on this issue. But tell me please, why do we need 80000 troops? I'm still waiting for an answer.
67 Goose: You guys are being very vibrant and convinced on this issue. But tell me please, why do we need 80000 troops? I'm still waiting for an answer. Well, c
68 Airplay: There is no argument on this - They absolutely should have the best equipment in the world! Folks wearing the uniform, and putting their life on the l
69 Goose: And you think the word “adequate” is offensive? The “best” in the world is such a subjective term. Who is going to define what “best” is?
70 Jutes85: .Especially given the fact that many young folks exiting school and college simply don't look upon service as a worthwhile career; and also, the milit
71 Captaingomes: The Liberals think that by just throwing money at Healthcare it will fix itself...WRONG. Canada already spends the most money on healthcare in the wor
72 L-188: Anybody remember about 4-5 years ago when 10% of the armoured vehicles of the canadian forces where held hostage out at seem because the ship that was
73 Captaingomes: How can you guys expect to be peacekeepers if you can't even transport your forces to trouble sites reliably? And this is supposed to mean what, L-188
74 Goose: My point here is the following. The health care system needs some serious work, and that includes investment that is properly channeled in order to ef
75 Yyz717: The latest poll today has the Liberals at 34%, Conservative at 30%. It's a horse race!
76 Qb001: The latest poll today has the Liberals at 34%, Conservative at 30%. It's a horse race! It looks like it. But the Liberals always enjoy what Robert Bou
77 A380: For anyone who may admire US style health care service, I have relatives living in Houston TX paying out US$600 every MONTH to buy health insurance (t
78 Goose: For anyone who may admire US style health care service, I have relatives living in Houston TX paying out US$600 every MONTH to buy health insurance (t
79 CPDC10-30: Anybody remember about 4-5 years ago when 10% of the armoured vehicles of the canadian forces where held hostage out at seem because the ship that wa
80 L-188: Yeah, I remember it was one of the few times when the Sea King actually came through and was able to land a boarding party Actually I think two where
81 Goose: Yeah, I remember it was one of the few times when the Sea King actually came through and was able to land a boarding party C-17s are the dream everyon
82 L-188: Goose, Not new gear, but the USAF is putting a lot of 141's out in the desert. Pick out a half dozen of the better ones, and a lot of the stratigic ai
83 Vaporlock: OMG ~~ another election! The one thing I hate the most in life! Canuckpaxguy, I type 110 wpm and would love to help!!! But you pretty much stated most
84 Goose: Goose, Not new gear, but the USAF is putting a lot of 141's out in the desert. Pick out a half dozen of the better ones, and a lot of the stratigic ai
85 Qb001: Ok guys, I didn't believe the CAF topic would take so much space in this thread. Here's a link to a very good site about the CAF. Enjoy.
86 Yyz717: I have been working with Tony Ianno one of the Liberals in the Trinity-Spadina area of Toronto That's the riding I live in Phyllis. Downtown core. Im
87 A380: Hard to see how CPC will work with BQ, did Harper or some Albertan politicians swore Quebec as an enemy (or sort of)?
88 A380: On the military side I think any government will soon face the problem of buying a little of everything, preferably made in Canada. I always think it
89 Qb001: Hard to see how CPC will work with BQ, did Harper or some Albertan politicians swore Quebec as an enemy (or sort of)? That for sure would make an odd
90 L-188: preferably made in Canada. I always think it may be better to purchase some surplus US stock for the military. Well the Humvee would be a great LSVW
91 Yyz717: It's not good for either Canada, Québec and the CPC that Harper cannot understand anything meaningful about Québec. Given that Harper is polling bet
92 Qb001: Given that Harper is polling better and better in the other 9 provinces, perhaps the problem is Quebec not giving Harper a chance by not even listenin
93 Yyz717: First, Paul Martin is born in Windsor, Ontario. Second, Jean Chrétien was elected by Ontario, sweeping nearly all 103 seats there 3 elections in a ro
94 Qb001: For over 30 years, Quebec has never voted en masse for any party whose leader was not from Quebec. It is time this changed. That's beside the point. J
95 Yyz717: Like other Canadians, Quebecers vote for men and women they believe are more apt to be their MP. Not true. Cdns vote for the party & leader as much as
96 Qb001: The fact remains that Quebecers have not voted for a non-Quebecer led party in over a generation. Neither have Ontarians. Ontario has massively suppor
97 Yyz717: I guess it pretty much kills anything meaningful you're trying to say... It is obvious that Quebecers en masse are not willing to vote for a party led
98 Qb001: It is obvious that Quebecers en masse are not willing to vote for a party led by a non-Quebecer, while residents of every other province are. This sug
99 Yyz717: If you knew 2 bits of history, you'd know that Quebecers did vote for a party led by a non-Quebecer, be it the Conservatives under Diefenbaker or the
100 Qb001: Exactly. That was 1963. Quebecers have not voted en masse for a non-Quebecer led party since 1963. This is disturbing. The only thing that is disturbe
101 Yyz717: Quite the opposite. Ontarians have no problem voting for a non-native leader. Quebec has not done so since 1963. It suggests that Quebecers place a ve
102 B747-437B: I would suggest that the only political extremists in Canada are BQ supporters in Quebec. Does this mean you are switching your support to Olivia Cho
103 Yyz717: Does this mean you are switching your support to Olivia Chow in your riding? After all, she's mainstream now.... Hehehe Sean. No, although acknowledgi
104 Qb001: Quite the opposite. I don't know where you get your facts (maybe you should read something else than the lesson-giving yet money-loosing National Post
105 Vaporlock: Yyz717, wow what a small world!!!! I don't even know Tony Ianno but the guy is related to my boss @ work!!! Its nice to make a few extra bucks on the
106 Qb001: the Liberals pay well Don't we all know that by now?!?!? 100 millions they gave to their good friends...
107 B747-437B: I am TEMPTED to vote for Olivia We always knew you were a closet Jack Layton fan!!!!
108 Donder10: This is simply wrong, and I'm surprised that nobody argued against it. Canada hardly spends the most on health care, and in all honesty, our ranking i
109 Yyz717: how is Medicare going to become more efficient without reform introducing a level of competition? I agree. We need some privatized health care in Cana
110 StarAC17: I agree. We need some privatized health care in Canada. A recent poll showed a majority of Cdns in favour of a 2-tiered health system. I certainly am
111 Qb001: An American-style of healthcare system will only produce the same results: mediocre.
112 Yyz717: An American-style of healthcare system will only produce the same results: mediocre Well, we have mediocre now anyway. The polls this morning put the
113 Qb001: Well, we have mediocre now anyway. Call it mediocre all you want; it's wayyyyyyy less mediocre than the American system. Anyway, you wouldn't be able
114 Yyz717: Call it mediocre all you want; it's wayyyyyyy less mediocre than the American system. Anyway, you wouldn't be able to support your claim with any mean
115 MartinairYYZ: Shouldn't Le Parti Quebecois also be a voting option?? I just want Paul Fartin' out...... Bring back Chretien!! :D If I could I'd go NDP.
116 Qb001: Nor can u support your claim. Don't have to: the OECD and the WHO do it for me. Then Quebec might not have any MP's in the next government. I'd rather
117 Yyz717: I'd rather have the pride to say we didn't send any wacko, right-wing nut in Ottawa, The CPC are a centrist party. have a few backbenchers spending th
118 Qb001: Well, given that we've had govts for 30 years that cared about nothing but Quebec Oh yeah, Ottawa cares so much about Quebec: unilateral patriation of
119 Yyz717: unilateral patriation of the Constitution Quebec was being selfish & stubborn while the other 9 provinces were all onside. Charlottetown failure This
120 Qb001: emotional instability Coming from a guy who, 4 times (I counted), claimed he was "disturbed" by a voting pattern, this is laughable.... The rest of wh
121 Yyz717: The rest of what you wrote is pure guano No, it's all true. You just don't like to admit that Quebec has been favoured and given special treatment. Th
122 B747-437B: In recognition of Quebec's status, I propose that we continue this thread only in both official languages. En raison de la position spéciale du Québ
123 Yyz717: In recognition of Quebec's status, I propose that we continue this thread only in both official languages. We can't do that Sean! 1. Anet is an Englis
124 Qb001: The feds dont participate in ANY provincial daycare program, so Quebec is not mistreated here. Again, this proves you don't know what you're talking a
125 Yyz717: Quebec receives about $5B in fed transfer payments ABOVE what Quebec pays in taxes --- so QC is heavily subsidized by AB/ON. Again, pure guano from so
126 Qb001: I notice you gave up on the daycare issue. I knew you didn't know what you were talking about. At least, you learned something. As for the transfer pa
127 Yyz717: I only said those payments exist because Quebec doesn't get its fair share in Federal spending. Transfer payments ARE federal spending! If you reduce
128 Qb001: If you reduce transfer payments only to funnel more R+D to Quebec, you are still subsidizing Quebec! Quebec has been asking for more R&D spending for
129 Qb001: Let's change topic now. So, for the LPC, the campaign seems to be going from bad to worst. First, it's Senator Anne Cools who is switching allegiance,
130 Yyz717: First, it's Senator Anne Cools who is switching allegiance, moving to the CPC. Yes, but she has very conservative views on religion, abortion, gay rig
131 Vaporlock: I already mentioned how I hate Elections so..... I just thought I'd share this joke with everyone!!! Appropriate for the Times Five surgeons are discu
132 Qb001: According to a poll released today, the CPC stands pretty good chances to form a MAJORITY government! Meanwhile, in Québec, the BQ looks to be strong
133 Qb001: I'll try to put some life back in this thread... So, last night was the first debate between the leaders of the four main parties. It took place in Fr
134 Yyz717: Layton was dull......And I'm still waiting for one good, original idea coming out of his mouth. Layton is a hard-left socialist. He has no good ideas.
135 Qb001: He could work on his accuracy of the issues. He kept whining about Oshawa receiving federal investment for the auto industry, while Bombardier receive
136 Canadi>nBoy: For the first time in my adult life, I have elected to (pardon the pun) not cast my vote in this up-coming election. Martin, Harper and Layton are mor
137 Yyz717: Well John I don't disagree with anything you say other your misperceptions about the Conservatives. The Conservatives are the ONLY party with more tha
138 CPDC10-30: For the first time in my adult life, I have elected to (pardon the pun) not cast my vote in this up-coming election. I'm in the same boat but I am op
139 Yyz717: So what is a red tory to do? You go to the liberals or nowhere. Red tories can choose to vote Liberal or return to the Conservative fold. The new CPC
140 Canadi>nBoy: "Well John I don't disagree with anything you say other your misperceptions about the Conservatives." Hmmmm, I don't think my perceptions re PCP are t
141 Canadi>nBoy: VOTE MARIJUANA PARTY OF CANADA! When you're high, you don't know the difference, and drug-induced ignorance is indeed bliss. "Paul Martin's platform i
142 Yyz717: I should have you out for a barbeque and allow you to see how we comfy High Parkers live! *wink* Don't get me going on the winners my area has for can
143 Qb001: The English-language debate is over - it ended 45 minutes ago. I watched the post-debate reactions on the CBC. And almost everyone agrees that Martin,
144 Goose: Considering what the expectations were coming in this debate, I believe Harper lost. I guess the possibility of having a majority government formed by
145 Jutes85: And almost everyone agrees that Martin, Layton and Duceppe did well, while Harper didn't do so well. I disagree, Martin looked shaky and nervous, Layt
146 Goose: I missed this the first time.... The English-language debate is over - it ended 45 minutes ago. I watched the post-debate reactions on the CBC. And al
147 Jutes85: ^^^ And its not like the CBC are a reliable source of fair and just news.
148 A380: How can CBC be friendly to Harper if CPC wants to cut funding to CBC anyways? Btw, can Global put that annoying bar away next time... it occupied 1/4
149 Goose: Well, I've been surprised by the CBC every now and then. Sometimes they seem to forget how anti-American they can sometimes be, and try and actually r
150 A380: It's ok because CTV and Global are so pro-American... so they kind of balance out
151 Yyz717: I was actually most impressed by Gilles Duceppe. He hammered Paul Martin the most. I would certainly vote BQ if I lived in Quebec. Gilles Duceppe came
152 Rindt: Steve Harper and his aweful hair-piece leaves me with an abundant array of question marks - for one, he's too much like Bush - talks a lot, but doesn'
153 Yyz717: Steve Harper and his aweful hair-piece Actually, it's his own hair. do we Canadians really want a puppet government? Just because a government might b
154 Qb001: First, I want to answer to all the comments about the so-call anti-CPC bias the CBC supposedly demonstrates. The comments I was referring to were made
155 Canadi>nBoy: I rather enjoyed last nights debate, and I concur with many of the observations posted above. Harper did indeed skirt many of the social issue questio
156 CPDC10-30: I for one agree that there was no real big winner in the debate. Gilles Duceppe was the most impressive of the bunch and if I was in Quebec I think I
157 Canadi>nBoy: "His (Harper) personal agenda is what frightens me, because you don't know what it is! Is he the right-wing bible-thumping whacko we all think he is?"
158 Qb001: His response to Martin's personal insult was actually very classy You know what, that's the only part in the debate I didn't catch. What is it Martin
159 CPDC10-30: The only thing I understood was "angler", or something like that. Martin said (in a very frustrated tone) "Mr. Layton, do your handlers tell you to t
160 Yyz717: I haven't been to the Swan & Firkin in ages. Bert & Ernie's at Bloor/Runnymede is now the Swan & Firkin. Say, have you ever heard of an English pub/re
161 Qb001: "Mr. Layton, do your handlers tell you to talk ALL the time?" I get it now. Coming from a man who's no more than a puppet in the hands of big corporat
162 Canadi>nBoy: "Bert & Ernie's at Bloor/Runnymede is now the Swan & Firkin." I do know about that particular location, but there was another pub by the same name in
163 Canadi>nBoy: "Martin dodged all important questions, especially those about the sponsorship scandal. And I think he looked more hypocritical than ever." They all d
164 WorldVoyager: In the Canadian media, only CBC held the view that Martin did better than Harper (basically based on two journalists CBC loves and five random voters)
165 Seb146: Out of idle curiosity: If Paul Martin were to lose his riding, how would Prime Minister be chosen? Would he still be PM and call elections within the
166 Qb001: Back in 1985, that situation happened here in Quebec, where the leader of the Quebec Liberal Party, Robert Bourassa, was beaten in his riding while hi
167 Yyz717: Seb, the same thing happened in 1989 in Alberta. The provincial tories won a majority but the premier lost his own seat. He remained premier but ultim
168 Yul2010: I understand your question is purely hypothetical, but Paul Martin is running in one of those Montreal West-Island ridings where even a pig would be e
169 Qb001: Oh like Anjou or Rosemont will vote for anything else than the BQ.... Don't be a hypocrite. You're probably too young to remember when Quebec was elec
170 Jutes85: Can someone explain to me what the "Not Withstanding Clause" is and how it can be used. Thanks.
171 YUL2010: The liberals are corrupted to the bones!!! It's beyond me how some people will simply brush that away as if it was nothing. Corruption threatens democ
172 Goose: The anglophone community is leaving Quebec for good, leaving the province with the hardcore francophones... That's too bad. But then, it's been a boon
173 Yyz717: Liberals are still my choice. That you would support a party that illegally funnelled tax dollars to corrupt Quebec ad firms to then make donations to
174 Goose: This election is about honest government. The liberals deserve to be routed. They are un-Canadian. Well, I don't think the LPC has the mandate set out
175 Qb001: Can someone explain to me what the "Not Withstanding Clause" is and how it can be used. The short answer is that the notwithstanding clause allows a g
176 Qb001: A man can dream, can he not? I like that attitude, I even encourage it. It's much better than the cynical I just don't see how any other party won't b
177 Yyz717: Conservatives have shown in the past that they can be as corrupted as the LPC. The scandals under Mulroney were all with his Quebec ministers, and dec
178 Canadi>nBoy: Neil, I can understand your frustration re LPC voters and the LPC itself, but it's not worth getting your knickers in a twist about it, after all, non
179 Mr Spaceman: Where's Canada? I look around and I don't know what country I'm in! In order for me to feel like I'm anywhere close to Canada, I need to drive as far
180 Qb001: The trend with scandals appears to be Quebec -- rather than who is in power. Brother... There are scandals everywhere in Canada, from Newfoundland to
181 YUL2010: A Prime Minister from Alberta will certainly put to stop Quebec-based scandals. Yeah, and he would also start ignoring Quebec, which would raise suppo
182 Goose: Basically, come to think of it, if I vote on June 28th, it's the Liberals by default.... If I vote... If you don't vote, I don't want to hear you comp
183 Canadi>nBoy: Goose, you are absolutely right. Anyone who does not vote in this election has no right to gripe or voice their complaints, and that includes me. Afte
184 L-188: Well if you won't vote for yourself, will you vote to keep Canada as a possible conservative sancuary that I could go to if the unthinkable happens an
185 B747-437B: keep Canada as a possible conservative sancuary The CPC would be derided in the United States as a bunch of "left wing looney liberals", so I hardly t
186 L-188: I wasn't planning on going east of Thunder Bay anyway.
187 Canadi>nBoy: L-888, it would seem our fine neighbours to the south are facing the same political dilemna, ie what is the lesser of two (or in Canada's case, four)
188 Goose: L-188 ..... come to Alberta. We've elected successive Provincial Conservative governments here for 30 years or more, and have elected Conservatives to
189 B747-437B: Alberta... have elected Conservatives to Parliament Except of course for "Landslide Annie" in Edmonton.
190 L-188: See Alberta could deal with. Like I said, my grandmother was born in that part of the world. Although Most of the family on that side (Most of whom I
191 Goose: Hmmmm, I dunno. I said I wouldn't vote, and yet I feel an incredible sense of guilt over that, not to mention a sense of obligation to my own country.
192 Goose: Like I said, my grandmother was born in that part of the world. Although Most of the family on that side (Most of whom I have never met) are more arou
193 YUL2010: If you don't vote, I don't want to hear you complain if the CPC gets into power, either by minority or majority government..... Goose, the reason why
194 Yyz717: Neil, I can understand your frustration re LPC voters and the LPC itself, but it's not worth getting your knickers in a twist about it You are right,
195 Goose: Gee whiz -- kinda like Western Canada has been ignored for 30 years. No kidding. But at least, if Quebec leaves and decides to cut all ties with the r
196 Yyz717: Be thankful Albertans don't have such notions of packing it in and giving up on Canada, despite being treated poorly by Ottawa. I agree. Canada needs
197 Qb001: Alberta contributes more to Canada than Quebec. As a great Canadian divider, Yyz717, you're a tough act to beat, I must admit. It's funny because when
198 Yyz717: Martin, Harper, Layton all recognized how important Quebec is to Canada. K Electorally, Quebec has fewer seats than Ontario, or Western Canada. So wha
199 Qb001: I think what it boils down to is that your "vision" is heavily based on your very thick prejudices. I'll quote myself from reply 126: There's no way y
200 Qb001: A new poll, specific to Quebec, has been released today. Highlights are: - Minimum number of seats to the LPC : 23 - Minimum number of seats to the Bl
201 Yyz717: At best, best, best, if the planets are extremely well aligned, the CPC can hope to win 3 seats Really? In Liberal or Pequiste areas? I think things a
202 Qb001: Really? In Liberal or Pequiste areas? According to Jean-Marc Léger (Léger Marketing), those 3 ridings where the CPC has a slim chance are: Brome-Mis
203 Qb001: In what appears to be yet another move to demonstrate how he understands some of the fundamental dynamism of this country (cough cough), Harper is now
204 YUL2010: Harper is now proposing to help AC... by dropping its obligation to offer bilingual services! You're right Qb001, he will also allow AC to move its he
205 Yyz717: According to Jean-Marc Léger (Léger Marketing), those 3 ridings where the CPC has a slim chance are: Brome-Missisquoi Im not surprized. There is a l
206 Qb001: In an interview on Radio-Canada this morning, Harper said he would maintain the requirement that AC provides bilingual services! Not only that, Harper
207 Qb001: And now, from Wackoland, the CPC has accused Paul Martin to support juvenile pornography. The CPC is as prepared and able to run Canada as I'm prepare
208 Yyz717: And now, from Wackoland, the CPC has accused Paul Martin to support juvenile pornography. Paul Martin voted against 2 opposition motions to toughen cr
209 Qb001: It's time for a PM from Alberta anyway I just can't believe you say that. After all, according to your own logic, HARPER IS RACIST TOWARDS ENGLISH CAN
210 Yyz717: QB001, Canadians are truly fed up with PM's from Quebec: Trudeau, Mulroney, Martin. All scandal-plagued, with the latest one soft on child-porn.
211 Qb001: Canadians are truly fed up with PM's from Quebec Yeah, yeah, I know that (but hey, it's their fault in the first place, they voted for these guys - I
212 Yyz717: But, just for the sake of getting rid of a Quebec PM, you're ready to throw your support behind a RACIST? So Stephen Harper is a racist? Oh brother --
213 Qb001: So Stephen Harper is a racist? I never said Harper is a racist; YOU DID! First, you say that AC's bilingual requirement is racist against English Cdns
214 Qb001: Most recent poll shows the LPC is up 6% at 34%, the CPC is down 4% at 28%. The differential (6%) is almost significant since it's twice the margin of
215 CPDC10-30: By all means, it seems the LPC will pull that one, especially now that Ontarians seem to be rallying, en masse and as usual, behind the party that ha
216 Yyz717: Actually, the National Post is predicting today that the CPC will win 126 seats, the LPC 95.
217 Qb001: Actually, the National Post is predicting today that the CPC will win 126 seats, the LPC 95. Not entirely true. The National Post reports the predicti
218 Vaporlock: Well, I guess all us Canadians can count the days left until ... June 30th! Phyllis
219 Goose: Well, I guess all us Canadians can count the days left until ... June 30th! Planning not to vote? The ballot boxes are open on the 28th
220 Vaporlock: Ops......... I already voted as I'm out of town on 28th...........sorry wrong date! But hey... I almost didn't vote! Phyllis
221 Jean leloup: The most recent and most extensive poll of the election, one by EKOS interviewing over 5,000 people, projects a slim liberal minority over the conserv
222 CPDC10-30: The conservatives have been getting very little positive media coverage over the past week...so I would tend to agree...their chances for any type of
223 Qb001: Well, today's the day! Any last minute predictions, just for the fun of it? Personally, I stand by my original prediction, made in post #2. - LPC: 141
224 Canadi>nBoy: Qb001, I tend to agree with you. I have a feeling that many in Ontario will swing to the Liberals at the last possible moment (election poll booth). H
225 Qb001: First results from NF&Lab are in. The Grits lead 5-2 over the Tories so far.
226 Qb001: At 20:07 EDT LPC: 10 CPC : 7 NDP : 3 No major surprise so far.
227 Yyz717: Atlantic Canada will remain much as it was. About 20 Lib, 6 Cons, 6 NDP. +/- 1 for each party maybe. Que/Ont/Man/Sask/AB all close at the same time so
228 Qb001: Based on the results from the Atlantic provinces, the LPC is doing BETTER (44%) than in 2000
229 Qb001: At 20:21 EDT, things seem to be quite crystallized in Atlantic Canada: - LPC : 21 - CPC : 7 - NDP : 4 Now the real fun, as pointed out by Yyz717, is a
230 Yyz717: The Lib party has actually done well coming out of Atl Canada. I think their luck is about to change in Que & Ont.
231 Vaporlock: Yyz717, hows it going? Yes, the Libs are doing great so far!!! Phyllis
232 Qb001: At 21:01 EDT, the BQ steals a first seat to the LPC, in Gaspé-Iles de la Madeleine, with 58% of the votes. Question: is Gaspé-Iles de la Madeleine t
233 Yyz717: I'm ok Phyllis! How are you? I wish the weather would warm up. Interestingly, the Cons popular vote has collapsed in Atl Canada by about 10%, but it h
234 Vaporlock: Yyz717, I'm doing great! Summer so far has really been the sh!ts. But hey what can you do!! I'm sure you just can't wait till it gets better so you ca
235 Qb001: 21:50 EDT First results are coming in and, surprise, surprise (not), it seems that the LPC is about to sweep Ontario. Which kinda makes sense, conside
236 VonRichtofen: Is Hamilton generally a blue collar city? NDP is taking most ridings there.
237 Yyz717: Is Hamilton generally a blue collar city? NDP is taking most ridings there. Yup. Steel town. Heavy unions.
238 Qb001: 22:16 EDT In Québec, the BQ seems to be doing as well as predicted by the polls (and better than what I predicted): BQ 53, LPC 17. 5 seats still not
239 A380: A LPC minority is inevitable... surprisingly strong showing by NDP... looks like Ontario still prefers the known evil, after all. LPC plus NDP will ha
240 Qb001: Although the final results are not in yet, I think we can begin to draw a few conclusions. If I look at the popular votes, mine are: - The LPC has los
241 Vaporlock: Yyz717, I'm sure you've got a smile on your face right about now!!! Phyllis
242 YUL2010: I'm very happy the Liberals won tonight! Harper is an idiot, and I'm glad Canadians figured that out!
243 ATL2CDG: Good showing, NDP! Keep the Liberals in line and gain a stronger foothold in the electorate for the next election! GO PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION!
244 Yyz717: Good showing, NDP! Huh? They won 21 seats out of 308. They are a hard-left extreme party. Paul Martin can ignore them.
245 ATL2CDG: They almost doubled their voice; that's a good showing in my book. And Paul Martin CAN'T ignore them; he doesn't have a majority government. If he doe
246 Yyz717: And Paul Martin CAN'T ignore them; he doesn't have a majority government. If he doesn't want to have to call another election in the near future, he's
247 Vaporlock: Yyz717, so do you have a big smile on your face??????????? Phyllis
248 ATL2CDG: Yyz717: Based on the results of the election, it would seem many Canadians rejected the Liberals' message. National support, both in the form of overa
249 Yyz717: Yyz717, so do you have a big smile on your face??????????? Yes! But for reason other politics tonight. Well, at least Belinda Stronach got elected. Ot
251 B747-437B: And the final numbers. Jeez, it doesn't get any closer than this does it? TOTAL SEATS : 308 Liberals : 135 Conservatives : 99 Bloc Quebecois : 54 NDP
252 Yyz717: National support, both in the form of overall votes and seats in House of Commons, for the NDP grew. Actually, it's shrinking. In 1980, the NDP won 43
253 Rindt: Imagine the Conservative Party with Belinda at the helm? She's not half bad for her age... As a whole, I'm pleased the Liberals retain power. A "Harpe
254 Yyz717: The independent can be expected to join the Cons ranks fairly soon. The Lib/NDP total is 1 short of a majority. So, Lib/NDP total 154. Cons/BQ total 1
255 Goose: If the Libs lose a vote of confidence, an election can be averted if the Cons can demonstrate that they can govern with BQ support. It's going to be t
256 Qb001: Humm, humm; I don't want to sound like I'm bragging...but I am. My predictions compared vs the actual results (before recounts): LPC: 141 - 135 CPC: 9
257 Qb001: Actually, it's shrinking. In 1980, the NDP won 43 seats. In 1984, 30 seats. It has never won more than 20 seats since, despite a larger parliament wit
258 Yyz717: Next time I need a political analysis, remind me of not asking Yyz717. Translation: I like to get back at people by taking childish potshots. Whatev.
259 CPDC10-30: So we might have a PM Harper in due course anyway, indeed fairly soon. I really don't think we will ever have a PM Harper. This election has proved t
260 Qb001: Ummm. They declined to 2 seats in that election, not 50. I added up the 2 seats of the PC plus the 52 seats the Reform Party captured, which is why I
261 Yyz717: If the Conservatives have a new leader and a policy convention that once and for all banishes the ghosts of social conservatism they will have a chanc
262 Qb001: Given the frequency with which I am correcting you, perhaps you should. You corrected me? When? You never caught me being factually wrong. You, on the
263 Canadi>nBoy: Well, I for one am rather pleased with last nights result. No, "relieved" is really the word for how I feel today. I cannot, however, say that I am th
264 Yyz717: yet we could not conceive or support a Conservative body which would take this nation back 30 years, ie women's issues, primarily abortion, gay rights
265 Canadi>nBoy: "Don't be ridiculous John. The Cons would do none of these and you know it." My point and argument exactly, Neil. A Harper-Conservative-Alliance power
266 Yyz717: I still maintain my belief that Harper's views are rather tied to religious ideals and ideologies, which does not make for a progressive mind......To
267 Canadi>nBoy: LOL! Ah, Touche Neil, Touche. Right you are about Martin and his Catholicism. I was born and raised Roman Catholic (Irish Catholic) and it took me yea
268 Yyz717: I F Stephen Harper is in fact tolerant towards womens rights/issues (abortion - right to choose), gay rights, etc., then he blew it (campaign) in Onta
269 Goose: Progressive Conservative = Moving Forward while Standing Still. It's actually just "Conservative" now. We're supposedly under one tent.... so dyed-Lim
270 Canadi>nBoy: "There were far more negative attacks from the Liberal side." ALL the parties should have evaded this childish ritual and focused on their respective
271 L-188: Well, sounds like a pretty disappointing election all around. But particularly in the prairie provinces, which will continue to be ignored by Ottawa.
272 Yyz717: The fact that some current, sitting Tories couldn't keep their mouths shut about social-conservative issues like abortion didn't help dissuade moderat
273 Airplay: I agree with you. They should be stifled. If Harper is smart, he will make Belinda his primary shadow cabinet spokesperson on social issues. The odd w
274 Yyz717: I see...so you acknowledge that many Conservative party members have questionable ideas and that they should be stifled lest they expose the hidden Co
275 Airplay: I see...so you acknowledge that many Conservative party members have questionable ideas and that they should be stifled lest they expose the hidden Co
276 Yyz717: I meant the Libs harbour more social conservatives than the Cons do. YOu know what I meant.
277 Airplay: Here's a new one. Harper considers himself such a failure he is going to resign as the leader of the Conservatives... (Of course that's not completely
278 Qb001: Harper considers himself such a failure he is going to resign as the leader of the Conservatives... (Of course that's not completely in context...I pu
279 Yyz717: Here's a new one. Harper considers himself such a failure he is going to resign as the leader of the Conservatives... Well, I am disappointed in his i
280 Canadi>nBoy: "I agree with you. They should be stifled. If Harper is smart, he will make Belinda his primary shadow cabinet spokesperson on social issues. The odd
281 Canadi>nBoy: "The fact that some current, sitting Tories couldn't keep their mouths shut about social-conservative issues like abortion didn't help dissuade modera
282 Canadi>nBoy: I wrote above: "As far as these right winged Western political fossils, it would have served the Conservative party better if the truth re sensitive i
283 Goose: Goose, speaking as a displaced Westerner to a Western Guy, I admire the fact you are a Red Torie......now, all you have to do is move a little further
284 Goose: Aha! A solution for the problem of Ontario voting the corrupt Liberals in year after year..... Ontario Seperation Party
285 Yyz717: The "Ontario Separation Party"? Oh brother, what next? Although, in all seriousness, without Ontario and Alberta paying their bills, the remaining 8 p
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