Sabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2728 posts, RR: 46 Posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 909 times:
A deal has been reached on the first constitution for the European Union after hours of talks at the EU summit in Brussels. The final text of the constitution was put to leaders of the 25 EU states, who approved it a short time ago.
The European Constitution sets out the powers of the national governments of the member states and the EU's various institutions as well as a charter of fundamental rights and a detailed catalogue of how the Union will conduct a wide range of internal and foreign policies.
The European Constitution will pave the way for a European President as well as a European Secretary of State.
It also limits veto power of member states, but measures must have the backing of at least 55% of EU states, representing at least 65% of the total population, in order to pass.
The Constitution will make NO reference to any God.
Now every country will have to ratify the Constitution, either in national parliaments or through public referendums.
Phxairfan From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 811 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 895 times:
I want to congratulate the European Union on this, as from what I've read it took a lot to accomplish. After finally coming to a compromise, everyone toasted each other with champagne. Somehow I don't see Republicans and Democrats do this, at least anytime soon.
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5759 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 839 times:
My only hope is, that the Constitution will get voted down in referendums and ratifications.
Each and everyone who's against the Constitution will get personally kicked out of the EU by Chirac himself!
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 69
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 835 times:
It is great news, and even though I would have preferred more issues to be decided by a regular majority decision, I am fully aware that, politically, that was just not doable.
The double majority principle will prevent the EU being hijacked by the larger states - to pass something you have to have the yes-votes of 55% percent of the countries in the EU (at 25 states that means if you don't have 14 countries behind your idea, it won't work) - and you have to have 65% of the EU population represented by these countries (with a total population around 450 million that means you need countries representing 293 million - just for those that think Germany and France will rule everything from now on: Germany has 82.2 million, France has 61.2 million - so they're "just" 149.6, or more than the population of these two countries combined, million short of an absolute majority).
So much for Schröder and Chirac ruling everything... people, just on occasion it really helps to look at the numbers behind the, in my view quite far out, accusation one makes...
P.S.: Before you go writing things like "You're from Germany so it's no wonder you'd agree" - I live in Germany, true, but I'm a citizen of one of the smaller EU countries (Austria, population of 8.8 million - about half as many people as the Netherlands has)...
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21548 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 816 times:
I particularly like the subsidiarity principle that´s been brought in by the german delegation: The EU level shall only regulate issues that are best dealt with on that level; National parliaments will be able to sue at the European Court to reclaim powers that would violate this principle.
Besides: Anything that gets Jwenting into an open panic can´t be all bad...!
Zak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 801 times:
i thought exactly the same klaus, seeing who is all against it now(and who had been against it before), it cant be such a bad thing.
i also agree about the subsidiarity principle, it is a mighty tool to keep the eu efficient and might prove to be the difference between a behemoth of bureaucracy and the efficient government model of the future.
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 767 times:
Well I'm glad about the removal of the reference to Christian heritage, and about the increase in the number of countries/percentage of population to pass a measure.
The way France has handled the new Commission President is appalling - the insistence that the new person be
a) From inside the Schengen Area
b) Fluent in French
is a total insult to the 80% of Europeans that are not Francophone. I really hope Chris Patten gets it, even though he's a Tory - he might kick some flabby Brussels butt about the whole gravy train bureaucracy.
In the meantime I hope all European countries gang up together and block all Franco-German proposals for the next 5 years, just because they can !