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Summary Of Farenheit 9/11  
User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2410 times:

I found this little interesting tidbit from Christopher Hitchens on Slate.

It proves what everybody from the left and right knows, that Michael Moore is nothing more than a liberal Rush Limbaugh clone who twists facts, spins topics for his own goal, and is generally nothing more than a bag of hot air.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/

I think his film will hurt the effort to get our troops home more than it will help.

B4e-Forever New Frontiers

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User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2388 times:

Here's a better summary...

"It's all bullshit".


User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2380 times:

Kind of like an "anti-Rush"? Restoring balance to political extremism?

By the way, I would like to offer comment on Christopher Hitchens' opinion. However, he is such a terrible writer, I couldn't make it through his maze of words in the article.


User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2376 times:



And what a great looking guy to boot.

Geez his smug face is worse than Bush's smirk could ever be.



"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2363 times:

Question: how does this "prove" anything?

User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2355 times:

Regardless of how I feel about this movie, or my own political view, I think it'll have a big effect on how ANY politician handles himself when cameras are around.

After seeing some of the clips, I'll wager that the accessibility to ANY President, present or future, gets a wee bit harder.



If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
User currently offlineRT514 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2343 times:

It proves what everybody from the left and right knows, that Michael Moore is nothing more than a liberal Rush Limbaugh clone who twists facts, spins topics for his own goal, and is generally nothing more than a bag of hot air.

Kind of like an "anti-Rush"? Restoring balance to political extremism?


LOL! Well said, Airplay.

Regardless of opinions at this point, I am looking forward to checking this movie out.


User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2344 times:

Question: how does this "prove" anything?

Well let's see, by presenting facts about Moore maybe?

Seriously, do you actually believe the likes of Moore, Franken, Limbaugh, Coulter and the rest of their ilk?

The fact that Moore refuses to do any hard hitting interviews (he looked like a deer in the headlights on Dateline so I could understand that), has hired lawyers, "fact-checking" people. These strategies are of the likes of Limbaugh. And pretty damn sad.

Kind of like an "anti-Rush"? Restoring balance to political extremism?

Yes, just what we need...more polarization in this country. What is the real victim when that happens? I'll tell you...the FACTS. It's all spin now...

By the way, I would like to offer comment on Christopher Hitchens' opinion. However, he is such a terrible writer, I couldn't make it through his maze of words in the article.

Then pour yourself some coffee, "struggle" through it, and post your opinion...or does the truth hurt too much? *edit* I'm not defending his writing, but he makes some good points... *edit*

Look, I'm not pro-war...recent news of the beheading of yet another civilian as well as gruesome images of those murdered Marines only create more questions as to why the hell we're there. However, I don't think Bush is the next Hitler as some would have you believe...

B4e-Forever New Frontiers

[Edited 2004-06-22 19:47:24]

User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

GOD BLESS MIKEY MOORE !!! And most of all thank you dude. I can't wait to see the movie.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

Galaxy5, please post your picture.

This is not the first time you've taken a crack at someone's appearance. So please share with us what you look like. I'm sure we'll all be humbled.

[Edited 2004-06-23 03:41:21]


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

Dimond, what are you taking about.

Until now I haven't posted to this topic  Confused



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User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

L-188 ... you are right. I meant Galaxy5. I have corrected my post.

(I wonder why I got the two of you confused?)  Smile

Sorry for the confusion.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17489 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

"Regardless of opinions at this point"

Mr. Hitchens was not stating his opinion; he was pointing out the inconsistencies and flat out falsehoods that are strung together into a fallacious movie.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently onlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8267 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

Galaxy5 has posted his picture before. He was in his flightsuit. Why don't you go scrounge it up?

Besides, who cares what the person giving the opinion looks like. It's his opinion he can say whatever the hell he wants.



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User currently offlineRT514 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Mr. Hitchens was not stating his opinion...


It was not Mr. Hitchens' opinion I was referring to. Regardless, his writings as cited here are editorial in nature and taking it as the absolute truth, suggesting that he is simply pointing out "inconsistencies" and "flat out falsehoods" would be a premature and questionable conclusion.

Let's face it, we can debate until we're blue in the face. The reality is that there are truths here that none of us (unless we're in the inner-most circles of government... and even then it's debatable) will never be able to know without uncertainty what is truth, what is fiction and what falls somewhere in between.

We're merely stating opinions here. My opinion is that I think that Fahrenheit 9/11 sounds interesting and I look forward to seeing it.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17489 posts, RR: 45
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

"Besides, who cares what the person giving the opinion looks like. It's his opinion he can say whatever the hell he wants."

And as far as men go, Michael Moore is one of the least attractive in the universe, in the same league as Richard Reid, the Osborne son, and Howard Stern.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

N766UA,

" ... Besides, who cares what the person giving the opinion looks like ... "

Michael Moore is a "person giving an opinion" (in his movie), and Galaxy5 seemed to care what HE looked like. Yet, you didn't tell Galaxy5 that he was out of line for bringing up the subject of looks ... right?

You're pretty anxious to speak up against anyone who isn't a member of Bush's fan club.

Limbaugh, Robertson, Falwell, Reed, Buckley, FOXNews, Imus, . . . you haven't commented on their biased views and

As for your other comment: " ... Why don't you go scrounge it up?
... why don't YOU jump off the nearest bridge.

PS - My original comment was between myself and Galaxy5. No one asked you to butt in. You are like one of those people who annoyingly force their way into a conversation at a party, when they aren't welcome. Take this as an invitation to mind your own business and go back to your neo-nazi studies.



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User currently onlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8267 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

Michael Moore is a "person giving an opinion" (in his movie), and Galaxy5 seemed to care what HE looked like. Yet, you didn't tell Galaxy5 that he was out of line for bringing up the subject of looks ... right?

Yet Michael Moore's picture is much more readily available. Thus, since we already know what he looks like, you can't compare him to Galaxy5, who you don't know what he looks like. My point is who cares what someone looks like if you don't know what they look like. It won't change anything. However, since we all know Moore looks like a fat slob, then why not have at him.

You're pretty anxious to speak up against anyone who isn't a member of Bush's fan club.

So because I happen to dislike Michael Moore I'm a big fan of Bush? The line is that clearly drawn, huh?

My original comment was between myself and Galaxy5. No one asked you to butt in

Don't you know this is a public forum? If you want something to be just between you and him, email him.

[Edited 2004-06-23 07:12:06]


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User currently offlineSolarix From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

Summary Of Farenheit 9/11

A film made by an ultra-left-winged extremist that exploits the death of 3,000 people so he can make a quick buck and express his own political views.


User currently onlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8267 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

A film made by an ultra-left-winged extremist that exploits the death of 3,000 people so he can make a quick buck and express his own political views.

And nothing more. People buy into this crap way too much... both sides.



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

Just being a little picky with myself here...it's spelled F-A-H-R-E-N-H-E-I-T. My goof.  Big grin

B4e-Forever New Frontiers


User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2734 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2159 times:

I must agree with Diamond and ask people to leave appearance out of their arguements.

It is one thing to dislike MM but if you want to go down the 'fat slob' road then you are either too lazy to actually state your reasons or you had better stick your own beautiful face up there as well for comparison. I hear Galaxy5 is spotty AND chinless .....

Judging people by their appearance is a very childish act which I gave up once I stopped being a child.

Does it need to be stated YET AGAIN that no one here has seen the film ?



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User currently offlineEspion007 From Denmark, joined Dec 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2099 times:

It proves what everybody from the left and right knows, that Michael Moore is nothing more than a liberal Rush Limbaugh clone who twists facts, spins topics for his own goal, and is generally nothing more than a bag of hot air.

oh yea thats breaking news  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17489 posts, RR: 45
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

"Does it need to be stated YET AGAIN that no one here has seen the film ?"

Except for the guy that reviewed it Insane.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2070 times:

Well, MaverickM11... the people who gave it the Palme D'Or at Cannes saw it. As did Roger Ebert, who gave it a 3.5/4. And the people here:

http://www.mrqe.com/lookup?^Fahrenheit+9/11+(2004)

who generally gave it favorable reviews.


25 Jaysit : Its very interesting that the generally conservative Boston Herald has given the film a very favorable review.
26 Diamond : I have seen the film, at a preview session in DC. Have you ever been in a situation where someone near you was making a total fool of themselves and y
27 Concord977 : I was also at this preview with Kevin (diamond) and two other guys, and I agree with most of what he said. Moore wasn't trying to make anyone look go
28 MaverickM11 : "Well, MaverickM11... the people who gave it the Palme D'Or at Cannes saw it. As did Roger Ebert, who gave it a 3.5/4. And the people here: " Preachin
29 Post contains links WellHung : http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,122680,00.html Roger Friedman of FoxNews doesn't agree with that... It turns out to be a really brilliant piece of
30 TriJetFan1 : Hey Moore, if you're going to take on Bush drop a couple lbs'.
31 Schoenorama : I admit it, I haven’t seen this latests movie (yet) nor have I seen Bowling for Columbine. However, I have read a few of his books and I believe tha
32 Cessnapimp : Sideshow Bob: "Your guilty consciences may make you vote Democratic, but secretly you all yearn for a Republican president to lower taxes, brutalize
33 CPDC10-30 : This is the first movie in a long time that I will be seeing on the first day of major distribution (9:40 tonight EST). I will be going in with an ope
34 YUL2010 : I went to see the movie today. I thought it was brilliant. I just don't understand how some people can just brush away all of these facts and say "it'
35 B2707SST : I just don't understand how some people can just brush away all of these facts and say "it's all lies...". Because many of Moore's "facts" are, if not
36 J_hallgren : Only way I'd see it would be if it was free...don't want ANY of my money to support that A-H...even the commercials show a distorted view of reality..
37 FSPilot747 : Wow some of you are die-hard ass kissers till the last drop. You haven't even seen the movie and you're calling it "taken out of context" and "lies."
38 Singapore_Air : Oh such open mindedness on all fronts. How about going to see the movie before judging it?
39 L-188 : Well Singapore Air, if there was a way I could pirate a copy, so that he doesn't get any of my hard earned money, I might consider it. But until that
40 Jwenting : summary: Lies, darn lies, and Michael Moore
41 EAL1011500 : This film is more than a documentary...it is political activism. Many call it "propaganda," yet the definition of propaganda is simply any information
42 Post contains links Schoenorama : B2707SST: “CLAIM: Moore accuses Bush of letting bin Laden family members and other Saudis out of the country scot-free right after 9/11.” Michael
43 Cytz_pilot : I went to see it in a packed theater last night (good thing I bought tickets early, all shows were sold out when we got there) and I really enjoyed it
44 Post contains links Jwenting : for the real facts: http://www.moorelies.com
45 Sabena 690 : And would be neocons over here say the same when Moore would have made a film about Clinton? Jwenting: it actually comes from both sides... Like big p
46 CPH-R : L-188m here's a trick you could use, courtesy of a poster on Democratic Underground: This is what my hair dresser said yesterday when I asked another,
47 LoneStarMike : Because many of Moore's "facts" are, if not lies, then so distorted as to be completely misleading.Kind of like the so called "facts" that were spoon-
48 Vafi88 : I saw it last night. The movie is beautifully made and sends a strong point across, many points for that matter. Other than having ties with the Bin L
49 ConcordeBoy : The KISS philosophy works best here... Summary: CRAP ...short, simple, and to the point.
50 CPDC10-30 : For me, the defining moment was when the greiving mother was in front of the White House talking to an elderly protestor. She made the comment that ge
51 Csavel : Just saw it and the entire theater went wild in cheers, but of course this is New York, Babylon on the Hudson, so it may have well been in France. I t
52 Csavel : But if America was under attack, and presumably, you didn't know what they hell was gonna happen next, you know what, the kiddies would have survived
53 Alessandro : Seem to be a huge success, 8 million US$ in revenue only in the USofA during the opening, add Canada as well.
54 LoneStarMike : He was reading to Children a-hole. His actions were what I would have done. You don't put kids into a panic.Actually, the children were reading to him
55 Eddieho : Fahrenheit 9/11 was an excellent film, in my opinion. It has some facts that were quite staggering... I seriously recommend it to everyone... better w
56 Post contains links Spinzels : --B2707SST writes: FACT: First, the 9/11 Commission has stated that no one left the country without being cleared by the CIA . Second, according to t
57 Post contains images Blink182 : I thought it was interesting how Moore pointed out ties between the Bushes, the Saudi royal family, and even Hamid Karzai all being on the seat of a m
58 Post contains links Spinzels : (sorry, reposting because first post has some margin limits error that I cannot edit) B2707SST writes: FACT: First, the 9/11 Commission has stated tha
59 MartinairYYZ : Hehe...... everyone that like Bush hates Michael Moore and vice versa...... I'm the vice versa.... Prefer not seeing a "Curious Bush" across the borde
60 Boeing4ever : Let's make is clear to all the douches out there... 1) I'm not a big fan of Bush 2) I hate Michael Moore, because, an no one can deny it, he is a mast
61 BoingGoingGone : Seem to be a huge success, 8 million US$ in revenue only in the USofA during the opening, add Canada as well. Wow... So at most... 1.2 Million out of
62 Nasmal : I just saw the movie, very well made. Does its purpose by making people worried about this current stiuation and goverment. Yes it was not really a do
63 Eddieho : Some of the scenes were actually quite sad. The Iraqi woman who was crying for God that her uncle's house were destroyed and that she had like 5+ fune
64 Post contains images Confuscius : Wow... So at most... 1.2 Million out of a potential 290 Million people saw it. Whoopie! Put's it into perspective. Okay, let me use your logic; they c
65 Post contains links B2707SST : Spinzels: Clarke claims responsibility: Ex-counterterrorism czar approved post-9-11 flights for bin Laden family http://www.hillnews.com/news/052604/c
66 Post contains links Spinzels : Boeing 4ever writes: Let's make is clear to all the douches out there... Douches? What sparkling wit! You know you are winning in an argument when yo
67 BoingGoingGone : Okay, let me use your logic; they couldn't accommodate 290 million people in 880 theatres on a single day. That's called lack of demand.
68 Spinzels : B2707SST Your reply #35 says that Fahrenheit 9/11 is wrong when it report that flights ferrying the bin Laden family members out of the U.S. occurred
69 Nasmal : http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/ EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
70 Espion007 : At the end of the day, Fahrenheit 9/11 isnt the only source that distorts information, we have distorted info everyday on the news, or even from the W
71 ConcordeBoy : Any of you had any luck finding this (i.e., The Passion of the Kook) on Kazaa?
72 Boeing4ever : Douches? What sparkling wit! You know you are winning in an argument when you sink to calling the other side “douches”. Congratulations Welcome to
73 KBUF737 : I support Moore and what he is doing, he is just excercising his rights as an American citizen. Let him live his American dream and make his little f
74 Post contains images Confuscius : That's called lack of demand. No, you got it wrong. The demand is there. The movie will gross about $20 million over the weekend. Heck, pretty soon he
75 L-188 : Yeah but my prediction is that after the inital curiosity is over, the movie will sink like a stone. At least when I buy a new toaster I can examine i
76 Confuscius : my prediction is that after the inital curiosity is over, the movie will sink like a stone. Only time will tell. However, it already matched Bowling F
77 Nasmal : I forgot to mention, the thing that scared me the most about this movie was that during the war scenes and music, I felt like I was in the war which f
78 Post contains links BoingGoingGone : Figures................ http://www.moveamericaforward.org/Emails/PR20040617-2.html
79 L-188 : Nasmal, that is how he sucks you into this half-truths and lies, tries to scare the crap out of you.
80 Spinzels : Boeing 4ever writes: Welcome to Airliners.net. Thanks for the welcome. You know you're quite naive if you think "Douches" is the worst of any potenti
81 Alessandro : He probably will be extremely rich after this film, +21 million US$ in 3 days in North America, wait untl it´s shown in the ME and in Europe, then th
82 Corsair2 : Yep. Moore is definately a megalomaniac.
83 Post contains images JeffM : To respond, and act like our more (no pun intended) liberal Bush bashing members... I'll watch a movie by ANYONE BUT MOORE..
84 EA CO AS : As I've posted in another thread, Moore seems to have a hard time making up his mind about what he dislikes about the President. On one hand, he attem
85 ConcordeBoy : Oh well, having trouble bootlegging it... ...so will buy a ticket to another movie, and switch screens to see it. Should be interesting.
86 Jaysit : Once again, its the people who havent seen the film who are acting like babies. A: "Mel Gibson's film the Passion is full of lies and half truths." B:
87 TriJetFan1 : I hate the stupid American who believes everything Moore says. They don't even look at the other side. They let Moore brainwash them because its anywa
88 Boeing4ever : Actually, you are flattering yourself if you think that a.net members are typically cruder than you; in the six months I have been reading these board
89 Spinzels : Hey Boeing4ever: Listen, that was your fourth douches-obsessed post. Why don't you give it a rest and understand that the point I’ve been trying to
90 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Listen, that was your fourth douches-obsessed post. Why don't you give it a rest and understand that the point I’ve been trying to make to you is si
91 BR715-A1-30 : Michael Moore has done exactly what we all wanted to do... Expose the worthless trash that Bush is. Now maybe the voters will say "Hey, Maybe I SHOULD
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