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EC 2004: Germany Out! The Ultimate Bashing Thread!  
User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Ok, before somebody else does: Germany out, and deservedly so..I've rarely seen a team playing with more "well-filled" pants than ours last night! Unbelievable!!! I was so angry, I could have kicked the TV set out of the window. To play well and get kicked is ok, but that was...I don't know, words are failing me now.

Now Rudi left the sinking ship, and I can't blame him for that...Hitzfeld seems to be ready to step in. I don't feel that things'll get better then!

So since the czech press has made a point to bash Germany over this game again and again, coming up with personal insults and WW2 and such things, I thought it's ok to give the rest of Europe a chance to join the bashing.

btw: Funny I always thought the German team was one of the best teams in terms of public behaviour, no matter if they lose or win, so I don't quite get it: Where does that hate come from?? I'm not talking about the Brits, that's ok, nobody takes that serious anyway Big grin, but the Czechs ...?


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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5999 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

Wooh, A.net is back - I was starting to get tics  Laugh out loud

Anyway, great to see that Germany couldn't even beat a Czech team with 9 new players in the starting lineup  Big thumbs up - unfortunately, it means that we will have our rear ends thoroughly whipped in the quarter finals.


User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

And deservedly so, you cheating lying conspiring Scandinavian bastards!!!

Signed

Italy

 Big grin Big grin Big grin



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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5999 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1862 times:

Aw, come on, it was a complete coincedence that our goalkeeper, in the 88th minute and 2-1 on the board, dropped the ball right in front of Mattias Jonson who only had to put a foot to it to score Big grin

User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1857 times:

But absolutely...shit happens!!

signed

Rest of Europe!

 Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1857 times:

I fully understand why Völler resigned - if I were in that situation, I wouldn't want to put up with the horsesh!t coming from BLÖD, either!


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1855 times:

My conspiracy theory senses have been working overtime and I suspect it was a German plot to bring down Airliners.net over the last day. So that the bashing of their magnificent football team would not be so intense.  Big grin


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

You know, Andreas, to make an almost serious point here, I was thinking about this the other day. In times of old, Germans would simply point to how good their team is, now, in banter like we has so often, you end up talking about how good you were. To me, that says that you haven't had confidence in the team for quite a long time.

Now, the logical side of me was thinking that Germany getting through would be a good thing, because you might come up against England and you wouldn't have had a prayer - so awful are your team, but I just couldn't do it. And I was one of those laughing long and loud at your exit, I'm afraid.

The truth is, you are a poor side these days. It's like watching ten amateurs plus Ballack. He's so far above the rest of them it isn't true. you need the youngsters to come through. Schweinsteiger looked promising, but are there any others? A complete absence of anyone able to shoot straight is another major problem. Watching last night it looked like Voeller was getting ready to come on himself. Even now, he'd have done a better job.



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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1828 times:

You deserved it.

User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

I thought it's ok to give the rest of Europe a chance to join the bashing.

You mean with things like, it's not the first time Germany has been sent packing out of Europe, and most certainly won't be last?


User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

Fu#@!!!!! I just wrote a little essay about German football, and then this frigging Forum collapsed before I could save it!!!

In short: I don't knoew what you're talking about...we know that our team has been in a horrible state since 1994, which tells us something about 1996 and 2002, doesn't it?

It also is the reason why we don't have any reforms in German football...those old farts still believe something nice will happen.

In very short:

1. Hitzfels is not the right guy!

2. In 2006 we'll still have the same probs.

3. We need to adopt a system to find and leverage talent like England and France do!

That's it...laugh as long as you have something to laugh about  Big grin Big grin



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

Andreas: We need to adopt a system to find and leverage talent like England and France do!

I'm going to copy this down and frame it. Then I'm going to remind Andreas of it every time he has a pop at us over here! Big grin

Oh, Andreas, what have you done?!!  Big grin



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User currently offlineAirKas1 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 3992 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,

Signed,

Holland

 Big thumbs up Smile/happy/getting dizzy Big thumbs up


User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

Banco...make an appointment with your doctor...you seem to be a victim of Alzheimer's disease...I've said this again and again!!!

It's just that you guys love your 5-1, whereas we go for titles...and Lisbon is still far..very far!! And that says a lot about priorities!!

What have I done?? You mean last night?? I watched the game, had a nice cool drink, closed all windows since it's getting very stormy over here, went to bed, and slept quite well until this morning, what did you think????



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User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

I'd take Hitzfeld over the other guys who are rumoured as candidates. My personal preference would be Hitzfeld as coach and Völler as his assistant.

At least I don't have to suffer more heart attacks from Rudi's ridiculous subs. Frings might not have made a good game, but he was still worlds better than Schneider yesterday. But in the end, we didn't score, and a team which doesn't score doesn't belong in the quarter-finals of an European Cup, full stop. It was a disgrace to see the 2nd half, did anybody count the 100% chances they missed?

Anyway, if we don't find a Wayne Rooney somewhere chained to a tree at the Autobahn, we're doomed for 2006.

Oh, and Mr. Nielsen deserves the Blind-referee-of-the-tournament award 2004. What a penalty. Even more conspirators from Denmark.  Smile


User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1803 times:

AirKas: Funny that you laugh...as usual you need help by the Germans to get your act together  Big grin Big grin


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

Too much money - too little motivation.

User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

NO WAY!!!!! If it is Hitzfeld he needs a team of abled coaches he can fully trust...the Brazilian model, that is, until we have another system in place to get out talent! It is called benchmarking...I've never understood why we don't use in football...but then our DFB guys are exemplary self-righteous arrogant small-minded farts,m so I guess It isn't really that hard to understand!!


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

At least the German fans took the stick we dished out to them in Lisbon in good heart.  Smile

Mind you, that as before they went out! Big grin



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

I think the big problem is the decline of the proletarian class and the advent of computer games and organised sports in Germany. I remember as a boy that mostly one of us had a ball in his schoolbag and during school breaks or after school we would find some piece of lawn in a park (often illegaly), make up four goal posts out of schoolbags and start kicking. This is also what you read in the biographies of Beckenbauer, Pele and many other great football players. Most of them came from a working class background, which today only seems to exist in poorer countries. In Germany this labour class has been largely taken over by immigrants and due to German citizenship laws, the immigrant´s children don´t automatically get the German citizenship when they are born in Germany. As a result they can not play for Germany in international contests, but play for Turkey and other countries when they grow up. Also, many German youngsdters today prefer to spend their time in frontz of TV or their computers.

Jan



User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1784 times:

Jan a very valid point...I've been thinking that for years now. And not only that is a porblem, but the living standard in Germany in general: Other sports became popular: tennis, racing, golf...our youngsters don't necessarily go playing football after school, they just do other things!



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

That argument doesn't really wash though. If you're looking at England as a model of how young players can come through (and I think England is a better example than France as so many of their current team learnt their early football in Africa), then how does that really differ? England and Germany are similar societies, so how come England has produced and Germany hasn't? Especially when over the years it was the other way around.


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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

Just turn it the other way round:

If we had implemented a similar talent-leveraging system, we would be ahead of England, no doubt...that's pure statistics! We didn't, so we had to hope for some guys to come up anyway.

Since we don't have that many young footballers anymore, chance to get another Ballack are slimmer now than 20 years ago!

And as for France: Right, but then we have a lot of immigrants, too! And there's a need to scan these kids, too!! The scouts of other countries do that in Germany...why don't we do it ourselves?!?!

I've said it a hundred times: I give a rat's a§§ about where a German player was born, about his colour of skin or to which God he's praying before, during and after the game...as long as he scores!!



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1769 times:

I don´t know about English football culture, but in Germany football was always a working class sport. Up to the 1960´s e.g. many players of e.g. Schalke or Dortmund were working as miners during the week and playing on weekends for their club. They learned and refined their tehnique out in the streets and not in football schools.
I think football in England was always more accepted throughout the population while in Germany the upper class looked down on the proletarian football players.

Jan


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1753 times:

It's working class roots in England too, Jan.

Andreas, you misunderstand me. The reason I excluded France was because so many of their players started playing football in deep poverty in Senegal, which is why I was saying you can't use it as a comparison, not because fo the ethnic make up of the side. The English players, black or white, grew up in England (Hargreaves apart) and that's where the similarity is with Germany.



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25 Roberta : I honestly thought Germany looked an organised and efficient team in the first half of the holland match. But i said the same for Spain and Italy. Com
26 Andreas : Looking at the French nationals...they grew up in France, were born in Africa at best. But ok, be that as it may, it's a part of society that qualifie
27 Banco : I thought a few of them spent quite a portion of their early life there? I could be wrong. Anyway, it seems to me that Germany hasn't done that bad a
28 Andreas : Nope, Zidane for example was, if I remember correctly born in Algeria, but grew up in Marseille. Now the Turkish community: Yes a lot of talent, that'
29 Post contains images Banco : Zidane, yes, but I thought Vieira was different? Ah, well. You can't blame the Turks for doing that. You just have to convince them to play for German
30 Post contains images Andreas : Since I'm feeling not bad at all, it doesn't help me much, but thanx anyway Yes you have to convince them to do just that, but then you have to DO it.
31 Roberta : Vieira was born and bread in senegal. Which is what made France's 2002 WC efforts even more impressive.
32 Zak : they played like a bunch of sad second league losers. the only exception were the young players + ballack(who is rather young aswell even though he is
33 Racko : Or we find a scientist who can clone Ballack a few times. Seriously, who do you think should stay in the national team? Asking for honest internationa
34 L410Turbolet : So since the czech press has made a point to bash Germany over this game again and again, coming up with personal insults and WW2 and such things, I t
35 EGGD : England out on Penalties. Why do I get the feeling of de javú? We won the game, fair and square, but Portugal luckily had the extra man and that made
36 Racko : Don't whine, be fair. Portugal was the better team and Terry clearly attacked Ricardo in the 89th minute.
37 Arsenal@LHR : Worst German team in living memory, apart from Ballack, Kahn and Hamann, i don't recognise any of the German players. Don't whine, be fair. Portugal w
38 Post contains images 777heavy : Arsenal@LHR Stop whining its over!!! Welcome home
39 Arsenal@LHR : It's alright for you smug Germans, you knew this awful German stood no chance in this tournament, so you take your delight from seeing England going o
40 Post contains images 777heavy : Your are absolutly right And I love it!
41 Post contains images Pelican : Arsenal@LHR - of course we do And because you English knew you had a chance and failed to snap at it - you blame everybody but your team. pelican
42 Post contains images Andreas : L410Turbolet: if you knew me and my postings a bit better you'd know that I'm always at the front when it comes to bantering with others about footbal
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