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The Best Automobile In History; What Would It Be?  
User currently offlineLAX From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 2290 posts, RR: 3
Posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

If you had to pick just one vehicle for the best in history, what do you think it would be?

Any Edsel fans among us??  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Wow!  Wink/being sarcastic

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User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1916 times:

Thrust SSC.


I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

1977 Lincoln Town Car.






I have one!
The best car ever!  Big thumbs up
7.5 liter, 460 cu" V8 engine. 4 barrel carb.
Body on frame construction, rear-wheel drive American luxury sedan.
Seats six passengers very comfortably.
Quadraphonic 8track player AM/FM stereo.
Power everything!
Power glass moonroof.
Cruise control
Automatic headlights.

The bright lights shut off for on coming traffic and resumes once they've passed!
Parts are very cheap and affordable.
Very reliable car.

The best!  Big thumbs up



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1913 times:



I forgot to include an instrument panel photo of the legendary 1977 Lincoln Town Car!



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineLAX From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 2290 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

Nice car Superfly!
I'm partial to the Olsmobile Cutlass (1981 thru 1988 versions). Great-looking classic!  Wow!


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

Henry Ford's Model T...first car for the masses.
It's the DC-3 of the automobile world. Regards.



"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

the Mini Morris and the VW Beetle. Big grin

Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
User currently offlineJonPaulGeoRngo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

1973 BMW 2002 tii

User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4780 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1895 times:

VW Beetle (not the new one!)

User currently offlineStratifier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

Just one? You can't pick just one! There are so many criteria, and you don't want the spirit of (Sir!) Alec Issigonis, Dante Giacosa or Ferry Porsche chasing after you at night.  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8002 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

When it comes to the most influential automobiles in history, I suggest the following models:

1. The Ford Model T
2. The FIAT 500 Topolino
3. The original Volkswagen Beetle
4. The BMC Mini
5. The first-generation Honda Civic CVCC
6. The first-generation Volkswagen Golf/Rabbit

All of these models are true people's cars that brought automotive ownership to the masses.

The Honda Civic CVCC is included because it was a major breakthrough in terms of engine design, and the Golf defined the modern FWD small car, more so than the Mini.


User currently offlineTWA From Iran, joined Sep 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

1969 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray 427.

-Trans World Airlines


User currently offlineTim From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 705 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1872 times:

Definently the FORD T

Tim



User currently offlineXtristarx From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 280 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

for me it is the between 77 and 84 buildt volvo 264 gl, and all the early 740/760 models.
2. saab 900
3. lexus


User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5500 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (13 years 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1854 times:

Spare me all those lame excuses listed above.

Gotta be the AMC PACER!

Wayne and Garth, Party ON!



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineAgnusBymaster From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

The Yugo!

User currently offlineN4KHGirl From United States of America, joined May 1999, 297 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (13 years 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 1844 times:

definately the Mercedes Gelaendewagen

 Smile

*Camille


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

Aston Martin DB7-selling cheaply in Saudi Arabia!!!!

My father bought the Vantage Volante in Riyadh for only GPB57k!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

(RRP=GBP100K+!!)

*Pure British style*






User currently offlineStratifier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

I'll have to agree with RayChuang on the selections. The names I mentioned (Dante Giacosa, etc.) were tied with these cars. A lot of modern car engineering were pioneered by these cars.

Frankly speaking, very few Japanese vehicles have reached the level of greatness, and that's more so everyday, even with European cars.

Now, regardless of achievement, here's the list of cars that fascinate me:

Citroen DS
Nissan Skyline (R32 only)
Subaru Legacy
Mazda Millenia (R.I.P. Eunos/Amati/Xedos!)
Toyota Vista Ardeo





Probably Cord/Deusenberg/Auburn too? Wonder what if they're still with us today Big grin


User currently offlineNKP S2 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1714 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (13 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

1964-1972 Pontiac GTO. Any of the big-inch fire breathing GM "A" body cars from that same era really, but goats were always my favorite.

User currently offlineAdam84 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (13 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

It has got to be the Honda Civic. It has survived almost 30 years, while still being a bestseller. Now what other car has been a best seller since it was introduced in the 70's? Honda has pioneered alot of things like the Civic CVCC, VTEC-E, Civic VTEC-E Lean Burn, and the Continuously Variable Transmission. All of these were first introduced in the US on Civics.

User currently offlineStratifier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 4 months 8 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

Now, I love the Civic for the most part, but let me explain why lean burn is something that's better off left in the laboratories.

The typical fuel-to-air mix ratio for gasoline engines is 1 : 14.7. In other words, you use 14.7 whatever units of air to combust 1 of gasoline. If your foot is heavy on the gas pedal, the amount of gasoline increases sometimes (probably 13 : 1).

Lean burn refers to any fuel-to-air ratio that uses less fuel than 14.7 : 1. However there are problems. At a ratio of 17-18 : 1 there will be excessive nitrous oxides (NOx) made, and if you go up to 22-25 : 1 you'd have trouble igniting the fuel-air mixture. So you've got to find ways to stir up a vortex in the cylinders. Even if you combust very well at a very lean ratio, torque will be relatively thin. Therefore, if the driver's heavy on the gas pedal, you need to be able to shift back to 14.7.

On the way back to 14.7, you'll go through the 17-18 stage all over again. Also, when you shift between ANY fuel-air mix ratios, you will experience changes in engine torque at the same engine speed. It takes an awful lot of fine tuning to make this pleasant and usable in reality.

Mitsubishi developed MVV first, and then based on its work went on to develop GDI as a way of making lean burn work. However, have you noticed how there are no GDI-equipped models in their US lineup? It could be that they couldn't get it to clear the emission laws.

Even Honda itself has benefitted from sticking to 14.7:1. IIRC all their LEV engines don't fiddle around with lean burn at all.

Also, if you recycle too much exhaust into the cylinders hoping to increase efficiency, the torque could suffer. Mazda had a real hard time tuning their diluted burn engines that never made it outside Japan.


User currently offlineAdam84 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (13 years 4 months 8 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

Thats where the E in VTEC comes in though, it changes the cam profile to the point where the car is only operating on 3 valves, with the 4th intake valve opening slightly, the result of this 3 valve operation is an excellent swirling effect. I think on the Lean Burn engines, they have a totally differnt catalytic converter to reduce the NOx to acceptable levels, also I think the Lean burn only goes as high as 18:1 and is only in effect during idle situations and when you are driving with a very very light foot. Im not positive but the 3 valve operation is usually only in situations when lean burn is in effect, and maybe in effect longer than lean burn under acceleration. They have reached a milestone with the VTEC-E Lean Burn on the Civic HX, with some 40 some odd mpg all around yet still producing decent HP and Torque. Not something crazy like the Geo Metro and not having to resort to Diesel.

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 23, posted (13 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

Adam84, whats wrong with Diesel?
I used to have a 1981 Volkswagon Rabbit and a 1980 VW Dasher. Both were Diesel powered.
They were great little cars.
50 mpg and exempt from smog/emmissions testing.
They were gutless but reliable and cheap wheels.
Now matter how much engineering you put into a little 4cylinder, you can never achieve the same power and tourque that a V8 can produce.




Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineAdam84 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (13 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 1804 times:

I dont know what diesels are like nowadays but from what I have seen (my mother used to drive a 1986 Mercedes 300D) they are very underpowered (her Turbo 300D did 0-60 in about 18 seconds or so), they are impossible in cold climates, they are noisy and they put out quite a few pollutants. The only good thing about them though is the fact that they can actually run on practically anything, my father had some VW diesel way back when and he told me he would carry a jug of vegetable oil around in the trunk for if he ever ran out of gas.

About the thing 4cyl vs. 6 & 8cyl, you may not be able to have as much hp or torque as an 8cyl but you still have a chance of beating them in a race. My b/f's Acura Integra has outrun Mustangs and Camaros many many times, the sad thing though is the fact that he was once outrun by a Cadillac Seville. But I digress.


25 Post contains images MrFord : I think the Mustang is one of the best, but the Ford Contour is THE best one ! And my mother's car, a '95 Mercury Mystique Etienne
26 OO-AOG : Porsche 911
27 Hailstone : for me it is a tossup between the ford t the vw beetle the citroen 2cv
28 Post contains images Cfalk : My Grandmother, who recently died, had a 1961 Facel-Vega HK500 in her garage, which she bought new. I might end up owning it. It's in mint condition,
29 Hairyass : Nice car Cfalk! My favorite is our 1992 Buick Park Avenue.
30 Gyro : Anything rolling out from Stutgart Germany!!!
31 DC-9CAPT : "Powered by a two-cylinder, two-stroke engine, which produced approximately 28 horsepower, the Trabant's body consisted of compressed plastic and cott
32 Post contains images DC-9CAPT : Nice, huh?
33 Post contains images DC-9CAPT : 69 GOAT.
34 Post contains images DC-9CAPT :
35 Stratifier : Adam84, you're completely relying on what Honda has to say about VTEC-E. If you have seen real life figures in fuel consumption, you will definitely t
36 Stratifier : Adam, in case you are wondering, I have read technical papers on VTEC-E and MVV on the year they were announced - 1991, so I know how they work. I jus
37 Post contains images Superfly : You do raise more good points about Diesel engines. It is a shame that societies attitude towards Diesel is based on sound and appearance of black smo
38 JohnFKelly : The BMW Isetta...it's as comfortable as coach class on any major airline!
39 Adam84 : Stratifier: The problem with diesels is the fact that they are pretty much coming nonexistent in the US nowadays. I think the only diesels in cars you
40 Portcolumbus : A NASCAR Chevy Monte Carlo of course. Sleek, fast, good acceleration. 700hp+
41 Stratifier : Adam, it happens a lot. The Japanese are often selling technologies that in practice don't work as it should. Often they fall short of comparable tech
42 NKP S2 : Is that your '69 GTO convertable? Is it a Ram Air car? Can't see the decals from the picture. Looks nice...1969 is my favorite year GTO. Is the '70 Bo
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