Arcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2402 posts, RR: 25 Posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2795 times:
The USS Reagan aircraft carrier just arrived to Valparaiso, Chile, and the whole city is crazy! After all, there are about 5000 marines, and that's a lot of money. Valparaiso is a beautiful British-style city, UNESCO world's heritage. The last stop of the crew was Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Valparaiso is full of prostitutes, with US flags of the brothel's windows! Even more, some "girls" arrived from Argentina to "satisfy the demand". The restaurants, night clubs, Vina del Mar, Santiago's Ski resorts and everyone have its eye on the Reagan.
The population of Valparaiso is a mess! and this weekend is special in Chile (holiday on Monday), so many people will go to Vina del Mar -resort city located next to Valparaiso, 1 hour away driving from Santiago-
It really surprises me, even at embarrasing poiny, all the fuzz about it; after all it's a big boat, but all the media is covering, the US Embassy has coordinated the landing of the crew. I'm not sure why exactly is this.
Maybe it's our Latin American inherent behavior
Maybe because we have this feeling of "end of the world country" and we feel nothing ever happens to us
Maybe because this is one of the signs we are far of becoming a developed minded country
Today at the news a guy said some words to be remember: "let's hope this ship will never return under different circumstances"
When this huge special boats arrive in other countries, does it always happen the same?
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ArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3434 posts, RR: 16 Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2763 times:
I am sure it's the same with cruise ships as it is with military ships.
Thousands of tourists in a new city = Lots and lots of $$$$$.
Many Caribbean islands livelihood is dependent on the cruise industry. 2-3 ships a day in your port can mean over 10,000 new and eager tourists that need tours, food, souvenirs, etc every day. If a cruise line pulls out, people will suffer.
DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2747 times:
After all, there are about 5000 marines, and that's a lot of money.
It's actually 5,000 NAVY sailors....there's probably less than 250 marines onboard, depending on if there's a Marine Hornet squadron aboard...then there'd be 500-ish....
This isn't anything unusual....ever hear about all the port calls in the Philippines? Po City, Subic Bay, Phillipines? Now that was the mecca of a Shore Liberty, so I hear...whole towns dedicated to horney sailors who hadn't seen a woman in months....maybe some of the ex-navy guys here can tell some good sea stories
Pdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1044 posts, RR: 6 Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2733 times:
I believe Arcano's reference to 'marines' relates to the fact the word 'sailor' is translated as 'marinero' or 'marino' in Spanish. The US military service distinction between Naval sailors and landing expedition Marines does not exist in all the world's armed forces.
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 20 Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2732 times:
How many people live in the city?
Could well be it's less than the total number of sailors on the carrier and her escort group (at least the number of adults with an income).
Their average income will be higher and they'll be eager to spend.
That's one massive infusion of money into the local economy.
Also remember that she's the biggest ship the city likely has ever seen.
Then remember the political implications. Having a carrier berth and crew given shoreleave means the USA likes you.
Last time one arrived in the Netherlands it wasn't big news, but they didn't stay long enough for serious shoreleave (and given the fact that it stayed out at sea and people were ferried to it by boat it's possible that any leave takers could have been flown to London instead).
Arcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2402 posts, RR: 25 Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2701 times:
Deltaguy: I new about marines when I wrote it, but I forgot the word "sailor" and as PDP said, "marine" is veri close to "marinero". thank U both fot the correction. Yes... we blessed Spanish speakers...
Jwenting: Valparaiso actually belong to a system of cities next to each other, becoming a large urban area that is called "Gran Valparaiso". The total system hold more than 1.2 million people, although if you just consider Valpo. there might be a population of 500.000. This urban system is actually the second largest of Chile (the largest is Gran Santiago, with about 5.5 millions).
Valparaiso was one of the two major ports of the Pacific coast of S. America (the other was Callao, Peru, the ever rivalring port for Valpo.) and one of the oldest cities of Chile. It's famous for its historic buildings, hills and funiculars. It is also the Legislative Capital City of Chile, because it hosts the National Congress (an hidious building and idea made by Pinochet). It is also the head quarters for the Chilean Navy. As for Chilean admininstration, the Easter Island belong to the Valparaiso Region (although is located in front of Antofagasta, about 1000 kms to the north)
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Clipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 12 Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2650 times:
Any time a carrier group pulls into port it's MONEY for the local economies. The carousing thing is a tad bit over blown though. Most United States Naval personnel shore leave consists of looking for relaxation and sight seeing with drinking and spending money thrown in for good measure.
Glad Uncle Sam can contribute financially to such a fine city such as Valparaiso. I have to mention also that Valparaiso was a "must" stop for many of the worlds navies in the 1700's and early 1800's.
Nonrevman From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1289 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2616 times:
Yes, it is not unusual. When my former carrier USS John C Stennis showed up in Halifax, Nova Scotia, a lot of prostitutes from Montreal showed up to handle the demand.
Really, I think that Navy ships are good for a local economy in the same sense of a cruise ship. Those sailors will be more than happy to go on liberty and explore a little of Chile. They will spend some money there too.
Gocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4314 posts, RR: 22 Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2596 times:
We just toured victoria, Canada last week on the USS John C. Stennis and im telling you, with 8,000 sailors in the battle group, the city increases dramatically. We were greeted by the canadians and every restuaruants, clubs, threatres all had signs saying "Welcome USS Stennis." Everyone knows with 8,000 sailors, they will spend ALOT of money on food and drinks as well as gifts. I know too many people spending thousands of dollars in less then 3 days while we were in port. I wish I was on the USS Reagan. I wonder how it will be, money wise, spending a week in Pearl Harbour, Hawaii next week.
Worldoftui From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2576 times:
I was in the Seychelles one time when a US ship pulled into port. They used to use Kenya, but due to security issues, chose the Seychelles instead.
Now considering that the total land area of the islands is about the same as Manhattan, and the fact that the little islands are a dream destination for honeymooners, they certainly had a impact. 4000 service men descending on the island for a few days.....
Don't think that the islands had any extra prostitutes bought in, but every hotel, every scuba trip, every bar and every casino was packed out.
I was on a work trip so I didn't mind. To be honest, I think we enjoyed the company. They were all a good laugh! Ended up getting drunk with them! I don't think the paying customers had the same opinion.
I felt sorry for them. Is hard to blend in when you and 3999 other buzz cuts arrive on a tiny little island. Plus not the liveliest of places
And as for the prostitutes, well, kinda to be expected. At least you know that after a few days, things will be back to normal.
Schoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 27 Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2570 times:
On several ocasions some years ago, I've seen US warships in the bay of Benidorm. Benidorm hasn't got a major port which can accomodate these large ships, but the US Navy just used the Benidorm Bay so their crew could have a couple of days off.
Everytime, this was a major operation with US Military Police patrolling the streets of Benidorm along with the Spanish police and it meant a considerable boost to bar- en restaurant owners as well as the prostitution-business.
I believe every single visit of such a large ship wasn't without trouble though, especially between 'British Beer Drinking Drunks on a Package Holliday Looking for a Fight' and 'US Beer Drinking Drunks With Only a Couple of Hours on Shore to Enjoy themselves'.
I haven't seen any US Navy, or navy of another nationality, use Benidorm so their crew can have 'a good time'. I wonder why...
Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
Gocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4314 posts, RR: 22 Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2558 times:
L-188, Ancohrage would be nice. Victoria was okay for a port call. It was nice to see some pretty canadian girls. We were anchored out about a mile from the pier and had to take taxi boats from the ship to pier to get ashore. It realyl sucks having 2,000+ people trying to get off at the same time.
One of our battle group ship got to stop in Homer, Alaska for couple days.
Biggles20 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 195 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2541 times:
I've been in Singapore when a US carrier group has come in. The CBD fills up pretty damn quickly and its worse at night. Don't know about the hookers, but I assume its a similar scenario to places already mentioned.
On a lighter note, there was a tour around the carrier last time, though I missed it as the group was only in port for a short time...
I once saw some Russian sailors too, though not quite as many all at once!!!
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16545 posts, RR: 52 Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2522 times:
A typical Nimitz Class Carrier when deployed with Airwing has about 5,000 Sailors and Marines, however I believe the Reagan has much less than that right now because they are not on a deployment but rather are moving the brand new ship from it's place of Construction (Newportnews Virginia) to it's new Homeport of San Diego.
Since it's too big for the Panama Canal they are sailing it around South America, without a airwing.
They probably have 1,000-2,000 sailors aboard, they are just moving it not conducting operations.