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Most Liberal State?  
User currently offlineYanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1404 posts, RR: 11
Posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

What do some you think is the most liberal state in our union? What I want to judge it on is voting record and some state policies. Some Canidates:

- California

- New York

- Massachusettes

- Vermont

- Washington

- Oregon

- Nevada

Your Thoughts?


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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Massachusettes.....They also have two of the most liberal Senators, Kennedy and Kerry.

User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

1. Massachusetts
2. California


Nevada doesn't belong on that list, however.


And yes, the two most backward and un-progressive states in the union are

1. Misssissippi
2. Alabama

I never really did appreciate all of those "thank God for Mississippi" jokes, though.


User currently offlineAGrayson514 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

Where does Michigan look? Because from where I am, it seems way too conservative.

~ Andrew Grayson



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User currently offlineKBUF737 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

Each has its very own category

California - Very enviornmental, leftover from the flower-age, women empowerment, save the trees and the animals type of liberal

New York - Very Stalinistic, everybody should be equal, Eliot Spitzers sue the rich until we go blind, you cant smoke that here, give everything to the poor, tax the shit out of upstate and give to us New Yorkers, money money money, we are a bunch of has beens type of liberal

Massachusettes - A very yuppy, trendy, with new money comes brave new ideas, give the gay people a break but run the Church into the ground type of liberal.

Vermont - All we have to love are trees, animals and syrup, plus all the Yuppie liberals from Massachusettes vacation here so we listen to them because they give us money type of liberals.

Washington - California was getting crowded and Oregon wasn't as pretty, so we'll make airplanes and windows type of liberals.

Oregon - We can't make up our minds so we'll live here type of liberals.

Nevada - What happens in Nevada stays in Nevada, type of liberals.







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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

California has it's very left wing areas such as San Fransico and Berkley, but I can't list it #1 or #2. It was the state that gave us the greatest 20th century leader, Ronald Reagan.

As far as Left wing states, I think that honor goest to the east coast, Massachusettes, Vermont, New York being the major ones holding this country back.



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

I think of Oregon and Washington as being Mother Earth News type liberals (and yes, I subscribe to that magazine).


L-188, but California's so darn BIG and POPULOUS. That makes it outrank such relative lightweights as Vermont.


Michigan's not too terribly bad (I think) except for the People's Republic of Madison.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

I am suprised Hawaii didn't make the list. It's very Democratic. However, I am glad that my state of California made the list.  Big thumbs up


MD-90:
Michigan's not too terribly bad (I think) except for the People's Republic of Madison.

 Confused Are you refering to Madison, Wisconsin?
Do they teach geography in the Deep South?  Confused



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Crap, I did mean Madison, Wisconsin.


Yes, definately Madison, WISCONSIN.



User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

"A very yuppy, trendy, with new money comes brave new ideas..."

New money? In Massachussetts? Are you joking?

'Speed


User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

based on the votes of the last 3 Presidential elections, the following states vote consistantly DNC.

California 1988
Connecticut 1988
Delaware 1988
District of Colombia 1964
Illinois 1988
Iowa 1984
Maine 1988
Maryland 1988
Massachusetts 1984
Michigan 1988
Minnesota 1972
New Jersey 1988
New Mexico 1988
New York 1988
Oregon 1984
Pennsylvania 1988
Rhode Island 1984
Vermont 1988
Washington 1984
Wisconsin 1984

Given is the last election in which they voted GOP. From that, I think we can conclude that Minnesota and the District of Colombia are America's most liberal states/districts.


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3483 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

Hmmm....Strange that no one mentioned Minnesota until L.1011, considering we've not voted for a republican president since 1972...The only state to do so. We've been getting more conservative, but hopefully that will change.

Jeremy


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

New money? In Massachussetts? Are you joking?


That one caught my attention as well... and not just for the spelling  Laugh out loud

...dude, Massachusetts has about the oldest money in N.America


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16281 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2069 times:

I would define liberal by:
1. general state legislation on so-called liberal issues, and/or
2. nation-leading trends on liberal ideals, and/or
3. a strong voting Dem voting record.

Hence, I think California, Hawaii, Minnesota & Massachusetts apply the most.

Minnesota is often called the most Canadian state since it not only borders Canada, but is considered very Democratic and egalitarian.




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User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2034 times:

"...and not just for the spelling..."

Ahem... touche.

'Speed


User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2028 times:

The reason Hawaii did not make the list is because we are seeing the error of our past ways. We have voted in a Republican Governor for the first time in about 40 years and people here are tired of the same old go nowhere philosophy.

There is always hope!




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User currently offlineYbacpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1108 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2027 times:

Strange that no one mentioned Minnesota

Don't we have Minnesota to thank for Walter Mondale?



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User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2025 times:

I think you all must have missed the Revolution in California over the past three years.



User currently offlineChi-town From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 971 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2014 times:

How about top 5 most conservative states in the union?

User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

Most conservative states? Well, my home state of Utah has definitely got to be up there.

'Speed


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

I'll take a stab at that.

1. Alabama
2. South Carolina
3. Mississippi
4. Texas
5. Tie Georgia/Tennessee
7. Utah

[Edited 2004-06-27 02:54:17]

User currently offlineKBUF737 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

But with Massachusetts there is a young generation of the older money which could arguably be considered new money. Pardon the spelling error.. Late at night you know. But there is that constant influx of new money in there.. where there are yuppies (aka Young Urban Professionals) there is new money.


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User currently offlineGD727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 925 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

I'm going to have to agree that my home state (Massachusetts) is one of if not the most liberal states in the country. It is certainly in the top 3! You know what's ironic too? My next door neighbor is a liberal from Texas, living next to us, the conservatives from Massachusetts. Who would've thought? I plan to actually move out of Massachusetts to New Hampshire as soon as I'm officially on my own, New Hampshire is the only New England state that is that actually has more Republicans than Democrats (of course I have numerous other reasons other than politics that I'd rather live there). Our governor Mitt Romney is pretty conservative though.


Mmmm forbidden donut.
User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

"But with Massachusetts there is a young generation of the older money which could arguably be considered new money."

Well, I'm not going to sit here and debate about the definition of "new" or "old" money, but Massachusetts, at least the part I live in, is very, very old money.

The yuppies still don't make enough have any "money," new or old-- the cost of living around here ensures that! For example, my sister, a single computer programmer, graduated from Harvard and now makes ~$70k per year. She lives in a modest two-bedroom apartment in the suburbs and drives a Volkswagon. Her extravagances include a Tivo and a gym membership. Her car and student loans are paid off. She's more comfortable than most, but she's not "new money" (and she sure isn't "old money!")

'Speed


User currently offlineTheiler From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

NormalSpeed, you hit on it.

I don't understand where some of my counterparts get their supposed money from. Unless a) it's from mommy and daddy or b) they are carrying tons of debt.


25 Mdsh00 : I think I will have to go with Massachusetts. California is not at all liberal like many people claim. its North and South are polarized like the Left
26 NormalSpeed : Hey GD727, I'm also looking for a place in N.H.--I got a job up there. 'Speed
27 Tracks : If going by state delegations at congress it would be a tie between Hawaii, South Dakota, North Dakota and Massachussets - they all have exclusively d
28 PROSA : It hasn't been mentioned yet, but Maryland is another liberal state, at least if you go by Democratic voting patterns. It's one of the relatively few
29 Djmatthews : I find this thread quite interesting. American politics has always amazed me. America - supposed to be the land of the free, life, liberty, happiness
30 N312RC : Michigan is not a liberal state. The urban cores of Michigan are liberal. Detroit, Lansing, Flint, places like Benton Harbor.. etc. Anywhere there are
31 STT757 : You know New York State has a Republican Governor since '94, and NYC itself is on it's 3rd term of a Republican Mayor ( Giulianni 2x, Bloomberg). So I
32 Srbmod : California has always had the label of being the Granola State, what's not a fruit or a nut is a flake. That label doesn't really seem appropriate as
33 Post contains images Confuscius : I'll take a stab at that. 1. Alabama 2. South Carolina 3. Mississippi 4. Texas 5. Tie Georgia/Tennessee 7. Utah Hey Md-90: Weren't all these conservat
34 Post contains images USAirways737 : "You can't drink until your 21, but its fine to have a gun at 18 (correct me if I'm wrong)." True. I can now go buy a rifle and a shotgun as we speak.
35 BMAbound : I'll add Montana to the conservative list... johan
36 BoingGoingGone : California has always had the label of being the Granola State, what's not a fruit or a nut is a flake. That label doesn't really seem appropriate as
37 KBUF737 : STT757: "You know New York State has a Republican Governor since '94, and NYC itself is on it's 3rd term of a Republican Mayor ( Giuliani 2x, Bloomber
38 B757300 : If it was a state I'd say Washington D.C. But since it isn't, I'd have to say it would be Kalifornia, Vermont (YYEEAARRGGHH!), or the People's Homosex
39 Aaron747 : Especially after what Davis and a Democratic Majority in the state legislature did to the state financially. There are plenty of stones to throw at De
40 MD-90 : As someone I know has said, Sherunstoomuch: tell them to just screw it, and face the fact. maryland doesn't know what side it is batting for. its a sw
41 Mdsh00 : You can't drink until your 21, but its fine to have a gun at 18 (correct me if I'm wrong). It is 21 to own a handgun in California. Note the use of ow
42 MD-90 : It's 21 to drink in Alabama like every other state because of the federal government's extortion, but Alabama's gun ownership age is 18. Usually boys
43 PHLBOS : based on the votes of the last 3 Presidential elections, the following states vote consistently DNC. California 1988 Connecticut 1988 Delaware 1988 Di
44 Post contains images StevenUhl777 : Oregon and Washington are the bastions for the Liberal Movement Drive 20 miles outside of Portland or Seattle. Further you get out, the more conservat
45 Post contains images Superfly : StevenUhl777: You also left out the Nader vote in 2000. It was like 7% in Oregon. So the combined anti-Bush vote was still a majority (50%+). Californ
46 MD-90 : Vermont, Minnesota, Hawaii, Washington and Oregon Yeah, because they have a lot of rich white folks.
47 Superfly : MD-90: Hawaii is a poor state. The only rich folks there are the White transplants that are out of sync with the rest of the states voting patterns. J
48 VonRichtofen : Ontario
49 LH423 : So I don't think New York is a Left Wing as People think, even California now has a Republican Governor. Yes, but so doesn't Massachusetts. We've had
50 MD-90 : The native Hawaiians may be poor, but a lot of people who live there, aren't. Conservatives are selfish and arrogant, eh? Hmmm... And there hasn't bee
51 Kalakaua : A lot of people who live in Hawaii are poor and many of them are 1st or 2nd generation immgrants from Asia. Hawaii has one of the highest cost of livi
52 Post contains links N6376m : In a letter to the editor in the current edition of Business Week, a reader points out that the idea of California and New York being liberal is a bit
53 Boeing757/767 : Connecticut should be included on that list as well.
54 Jaysit : Isn't it amazing how the most liberal states also have the best universities, cultural venues, museums, restaurants, beaches, mountains, night life, l
55 Kalakaua : Massachusetts has Harvard, MIT, Amherst, Wellesley, Smith. Nah... Aren't these liberal breeding facilities?
56 L-188 : Would you belive that currently I would put Alaska on that list?
57 N6376m : Jay, Al Gore comes from TN and GWB went to Harvard. -76M
58 Jaysit : I think we all know how GWB got into Harvard. And Yale. Its called "Affirmative Action for C- students with rich well-connected daddies to get into Am
59 N6376m : Jay, First you argue what great an institution Harvard is and then in the next breath you say that it's an affirmative action program for C- students
60 Jaysit : "First you argue what great an institution Harvard is and then in the next breath you say that it's an affirmative action program for C- students with
61 NUAir : Before any of you answered this question you should have checked up on your English. A majority of Americans tend to label the republican party as con
62 PROSA : I would stand by the idea that Texas and New Hampshire are two of Americas most liberal states when using the true definition of the word. The definit
63 NUAir : - > "The definition of 'liberal' which you use" These are definitions straight from the dictionary not my own personal beliefs. Libertarian: - One who
64 PROSA : I have no clue what you mean by "current definition," since when did definitions of words change? Maybe the meaning has changed in the general public
65 MD-90 : Mississippi has Ole Miss. Yeah, too bad Mississippi's largest university is Mississippi State University. And we don't have the racist baggage that st
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