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The Fate Of Urs Meyer  
User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

Don't know if it is funny or just sad how some Englishmen and especially the English reacts to a call that is viewed as perfectly correct by the rest of the world.

Some extracts from the Guardian:

Swiss referee Urs Meier has gone into hiding with police protection after receiving death threats and hate email from England fans in a backlash fuelled by the Sun.

...

Swiss police are now guarding the referee day and night after advising him to go into hiding following the death threats.

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"I am taking these threats very seriously," Mr Meier said, adding he was sent the offending messages after newspapers published his email address.

He said: "I'm absolutely shocked by the media campaign against me and the attacks from the supporters. I always thought the spirit of fair play was important in England, with respect for officials. I never expected this reaction.

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And he told Lausanne daily paper Le Matin: "This has taken on unacceptable proportions. These people have nothing to do with journalism. They just make things up and lie. They are trying to destroy me. There are limits - and they've been long broken.

"Going after my family, digging into my private life - that's totally unacceptable. I'm not afraid for my own life, but I am afraid of what might happen to my loved ones."

The morning after England were knocked out of Euro 2004, many newspapers led attacks on Mr Meier. The Sun asked readers to "let rip" and send him emails.

The paper claimed the nation was "robbed" by a "half-wit" referee who made a "heartbreaking decision".

This was followed over the weekend by reports in the Daily Mail and the Sun, revealing that Mr Meier had left his wife, Franziska, with whom he has two children, for referee Nicole Petignat. The papers published details of where he lived and worked.

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Last Friday supermarket chain Asda offered Swiss nationals a special free eye test in any one of its 68 optical stores.

"Lets face it, we were robbed," David Rutley, the director of financial services at Asda, was quoted as saying in the British media.

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The wave of anti-Swiss feeling among England fans claimed its first victim on a Greek island, when a Swiss girl was kicked to the ground and left with a broken arm by England fans after they spotted her wearing a Swiss football shirt.

Manu Peyer, 22, said she had been wearing the t-shirt, showing the red and white Swiss national colours, in a bar on the island of Zakynthos.

Ms Peyer, who is a big England fan, said she had been just as upset as the English over Mr Meier's refusal to count a goal that might have secured the game for England.

Three English hooligans, who were furious when they saw her t-shirt, watched her as she walked home to her holiday apartment before attacking her.

"One of them hit me in the face with his fist and I fell to the ground because of the force of his punch," said Ms Peyer.

The shaven-headed attackers then began kicking her as she lay on the ground.

When the ordeal was over, Ms Peyer had a swollen eye, a squashed nose and a broken arm. She had to go to hospital for treatment. She has also been forced to take leave from work.

"I think they beat me up because of Meyer's ominous call on the goal," Ms Peyer told Swiss radio after she had returned to her home town of Zurich.

Nevertheless, she said she planned to support the English team in the future because "after all, most of the English are good people".

Mr Meier shares this view, despite what he has been through in the past few days.

Speaking to Swissinfo he said: "I like English football and the people in England. I spent my holidays there last year and I know not all the people are the same.


http://football.guardian.co.uk/euro2004/story/0,14577,1250808,00.html

An incredible witchhunt against a person who did nothing but his job, and The Sun are also responsible for the injuries of the Swiss girl, because they heated the hatred against Switzerland.

I'm asking myself why nothing is done against the English yellow press? It's not the first time they've proven to be the worst in the democratic world.

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User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1416 times:

Oh, and apparently a group of MPs have established a Commons motion about "refereeing decisions during a number of matches".

And I thought Freedom Fries were ridiculous.


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

I agree - Meyer's decision was 100% accurate but I am the only Englishman to see this AFAIK. Maybe the English should be given free eye tests! Big grin

BTW the british tabloid media are scumbags



I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

Let us assume (!) Mr. Meyer's decision was wrong. Would this justify the behavior of the British (yellow) press and some brainless English football fans? No, it wouldn't.
Why do a large group of English take football such seriously? I don't get it.
A friend of mine was beaten up when he was on a school exchange trip in England in 1996.
Maybe there is something wrong with the water in England.

pelican


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1382 times:

Very sad indeed.

In the meantime the Sun newspaper told its readers to boycott Swiss products. Also some journalists (at least they call themselves journalists) went to Mr. Meier's home in Würenlos (they call it Wurensol in every article Big grin ) and spreaded out an English flag in his garden, published his personal mobile phone number and e-mail address in the newspaper. He received a few 10000 e-mails. A Swiss radio station now published the e-mail address and phone number of "The Sun" which received angry phone calls from Switzerland now. Of course they reported with a cheap campaign in their newspapers ("Switzerland declared themself neutral a few hundred years ago-now they declare war on "The Sun"").

Also in the meantime a lot of professional referees confirmed that Mr. Meier's cancellation of the English goal was the right decision.

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1368 times:

Apparently ITN news had the guy's email address on their news bulleting a couple of days ago. A pretty poor standard of broadcasting IMO.

Latest email joke:

The good news: Saddam Hussein is to receive the death penalty.

The bad news: David Beckham is to take it.

BF



Fortune favours the brave
User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2479 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1353 times:

Even UEFA has said that Meier's decision was correct...

The sad thing about "The Sun" is that its even worse than the Blick Big grin


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1343 times:

You would hardly expect UEFA to say anything else!

Still, his decision is irrelevant. The point is that the tabloid media are behaving in their customary manner.  Insane

Stupid people everywhere then respond to it.

Incidentally, raising issues of people being beaten up on exchange trips helps no-one. The same thing often happens in reverse with English kids. Making such a statement isn't particularly helpful or relevant.

By the way, just so you know, a House of Commons Early Day Motion has absolutely zero impact on anything. There are hundreds of them each year, ranging from isn't it awful that we all have to start work at 8:30 or 9, to comments on the attire of pop stars.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1334 times:

Basically correct Banco, but I think it's relevant to kick the yellowpress in the balls sometimes to indicate that there are some barriers that are not meant to be broken!

In the case of Meyer, they went too far...that is denouncing in the worst possible matter, publicly pouring shit over a person's private life! Nice campaign, dear "Sun"ny boys, 70 years ago, Third reich tabloid "Stuermer" did exactly the same ... but hey, don't mention the war, right?



I know it's only VfB but I like it!
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1323 times:

British journalism - clearly a class act ! That's why I only read Private Eye.

User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1309 times:

Basically correct Banco, but I think it's relevant to kick the yellowpress in the balls sometimes to indicate that there are some barriers that are not meant to be broken!

Oh, I couldn't agree with you more. Just because we know they operate that way doesn't mean that we should just accept it.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1306 times:

Come on guys the Sun, Star and Mirror are not representative of British journalism.

And for the last time Terry jumps straight up towards the ball whereas Ricardo jumps at angle towards Terry. The foul is initiated by Ricardo.

You also cannot trust the opinion of UEFA. I'll give you this example, Urs Meier has a bad game. He books England players for minor tackles but Portuguese players who carry out the same offences do not get booked and we also have the disallowed goal issue. What happens, he is still officiating in the tournament.

Now take the example of the chair umpire at Wimbledon who makes a mistake in the scoring on the 1st set tie break in the Williams v Sperm match. After reviewing the incident the chair umpire is stopped from officiating at Wimbledon by the tournament referee Alan Mills.

What I find amazing about football is that no action is taken against referees who have bad games and make bad decisions. The sports governing bodies always defend any criticism against refs as if they are some sort of god and rarely take action against poorly performing refs.



British Airways - The Way To Fly
User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1298 times:

As long as the referee is not going to see a video tape every minute there will be wrong decisions in every game. The referee needs to decide in less than a second and he simply cannot see everything.

Especially in a case where the situation is unclear, like in the POR-ENG game, it is absolutely unacceptable that a newspaper is attacking the referee in such a way.

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8685 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1295 times:

Hooligans. Improving England's image around the world.

Are you English concerned about that, or do you just not care?



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1291 times:

Hehe,

I don't condone what their doing, but from a third person perspective it is quite funny. I just hope it doesn't go any further, it has gone too far as it is but any further is not good. The referee was wrong, there was no doubt in my mind, maybe you Euro's play a different game but who wrote the rules? In the English game, you are allowed to head the ball when it is above you and you get a yellow card if you dive when you've knowingly lost the ball.

But it seems in Mainland Europe now a new game is emerging, its called diveball. Our US neighbours have every right to call footballers a bunch of pussies, because all the Euro's are. It sickens me every time I watch a game involving France, Spain, Portugal, Italy etc and all I see is diving and attempting to influence referee decisions, rolling on the floor feigning injuries and holding people in the area by their arms. What makes it worse is that the Portuguese editors focus on this, rather than the football itself, which is absolutely ridiculous.


User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1290 times:

I also find the behavior of the British tabloid press unacceptable. I also accept that referees are human and are going to make errors during a match. But why are football referees put on such a high pedestal as opposed to other sports officials who's performances are analysed.


British Airways - The Way To Fly
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1289 times:

Hooligans. Improving England's image around the world.

Are you English concerned about that, or do you just not care?


Don't be so stupid. There was not a single football related arrest at Euro 2004 involving English fans. That's precisely because of action taken by both the FA and the government. Perhaps I should slate your entire country because of the actions of your press and one or two idiots?  Insane



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1289 times:

Maybe because people identify themselves more with football than with tennis? I mean, at a football game, there are two nations or cities playing, in tennis it is less a game between nations but more a game between two individuals.

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1290 times:

Okay this doesn't help anybody. But is this the purpose of this thread?
I have mentioned it because it was also football related - do you remember 1996 - no? This kind of amnesia is understandable but I can help: 1996 was the year where Germany kicked England out of the semi-final  Big thumbs up

... Football 's coming home...

Come on guys the Sun, Star and Mirror are not representative of British journalism - I wonder how high their print run is?

pelican



User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1269 times:

Oh Pelican,

How quickly do you Germans forget a glorious night in Munich a couple of years back.  Big grin



British Airways - The Way To Fly
User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1252 times:

1974? Still on our minds.

User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1251 times:

A year before my time Racko.  Big grin


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User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1246 times:

There can be no doubt that referees favour certain sides, both at national and international level. Portugal have certainly been assisted in reaching the final and I have also no doubt that had it been Portugal that had scored the last minute goal it would have stood. If it was a foul, then he let far worse go unpunished during the game.

Maybe its time to introduce the video referee for crucial decisions. Football is still in the dark ages with regard to that. There's no arguement then and therefore people like Meyer will not have to suffer the antics of the British tabloids. (By the way, the Sun had an article on a Swiss national who turned up at their offices. They gave him good press with the headline 'The bravest man in Switzerland'). Beckham is also getting his share too.

As for the arseholes who make death threats.........



User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1242 times:

Here's the article mentioned by Saintsman:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004301595,,00.html

 Big grin Big grin

RJ100



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User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1229 times:

Maybe its time to introduce the video referee for crucial decisions.

It´s certainly worth being discussed but personally, I see it rather critical.
Where should the line be drawn when to take advantage of video footage and when to abstain from using it.
I think it would make it all too complicated and one of the things I enjoy when watching football surely is that this game is not permanently interrupted by time-outs, referees watching videos or expalining their decisions to the crowd.

Daniel


25 Alessandro : Tennis can also be hot tempered, remember Austria playing Brazil or Chile/Argentinan draws. As for The Sun, rubbish paper for rubbish readers...
26 Racko : Or when Maria Scharapowa plays.
27 Arsenal@LHR : Some people take things too far and what you are seeing is a typical reaction from the British tabloids when something like this happens. Just leave U
28 Post contains images Andreas : Racko; I'm afraid that was an afternoon you're talking about all others: Yes, I know Brit tabloids, and we have the same crap over here, don't worry,
29 Post contains images Scbriml : Sometimes I'm just embarrassed to be English
30 Post contains images Banco : That goes way beyond the usual nonsense, that even I like to read sometimes (of course, only when riding on the tube, would never buy it, like all tho
31 Post contains images Andreas : But of course you don't buy it, like millions of Brits...absolutely perfect. May I nominate you to become the next Holy Father? I mean since you don't
32 Post contains images Banco : You only don't know the history of the papacy if you think that not dealing in ladies makes a difference. Indeed, millions of us are perfect. It's a n
33 Post contains images Andreas : That's why I want to nominate you: To give that certain degree of holiness and celibacy back to the job Unfortunately nobody knows to which group he/s
34 JGPH1A : Re: Indeed, millions of us are perfect Nonsense - only I am. Modest too. God, I'm fabulous !
35 Post contains images Banco : It's like those questions about "who do really admire", "who is outstanding in blah, blah, blah"; all of which, if we were honest, we would be likely
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