Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3363 times:
"The problem for Cosby is that most of the people he was referring to will brand him a sell-out or an Uncle Tom rather than listen to the truth and do something about it."
So far it hasn't happened. Cosby is couching this in a classic civil rights historical context and I think its wonderful.
I was part of a student mentorship program in DC for inner city kids, and was really quite shocked to learn that many of these kids (nor their parents) knew anything about the civil rights struggle other than the fact that MLK was a hero their grandmother revered. Needless to say, they were bad at math and science too. Cosby can help change that.
The BIG question is how the hell does Cosby understand what Jackson says?
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29509 posts, RR: 59 Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3359 times:
Although not a scientific poll, Cosby's comments have resulted in the single most lopsided poll results I can recall ever seeing....98% to 2% in saying Cosby was justified. About 100,000 people have answered it.
SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3436 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3276 times:
I fully agree with him, but I disagree with the fact that he's singling out blacks. Whites, Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans, all have problems. I've noticed many of the things he mentioned occurring heavily in the white, Asian, and Hispanic population as well. I agree with him on many points, but as a black American I'm really getting tired of him singling us out.
Of course people voted like that. Whites have been waiting for someone to tell the problems of black people who is black themself. This country is predominantly white, so no surprise. If this were a predominantly black country and someone was complaining about whites, blacks would approve too. It doesn't make it right. I think his comments were unnecessary and ridiculous. Why doesn't he talk about some other race? What does BILL COSBY know about poor, urban, black people?!? He makes these comments and then goes back to his $40 million mansion. Talk about hypocritical.
767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3275 times:
Why doesn't he talk about some other race? What does BILL COSBY know about poor, urban, black people?!? He makes these comments and then goes back to his $40 million mansion. Talk about hypocritical.
Interesting you bring this up. I spent a few hours on a car trip last weekend with some black friends of mine, one of whom grew up in the projects and is now a successful entrepreneur (after many successful years in the corporate world, I might add.)
So, having grown up with a single mother in a poor, urban life, she knows a thing or two about the black experience.
Anyway, during the car trip, another friend of ours (white) mentioned the new movie White Girls by the (black) Wayans brothers. My black friend immediately grimaced and said that she despises movies like that as they only reinforce negative stereotypes.
She was fully behind the points Cosby had publicly made last May.
Mdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4119 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3250 times:
But I disagree with the fact that he's singling out blacks.
I suppose that's true, but I wouldn't expect him to come out and talk about other races or else he would lose credibility among others and be branded a racist. He had the ability to speak out against blacks because he is black himself. Do you think that people would think highly of his words if he made points about whites, hispanics, and asians? It's like that saying that change comes from within. Cosby spoke out against blacks because he was understanding of the black culture and experience.
now all we need is a white, asian, and hispanic critic of their own race and it will be all good!
"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3436 posts, RR: 10 Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 3201 times:
I'd liked to state some things that were unmentioned in my previous post. I blame little on blacks, they've been held down far too long. They were slaves in America for over 100 years, came from nowhere in most cases, yet we have still not been able to rid ourselves of many problems. We are still the poorest ethnic group in the US, and you don't all become rich overnight. The media and the rest of the country is quick to blame everything bad on blacks, and I'm tired of it. Blacks have achieved a LOT in this country, yet those achievements are completely overshadowed by comments like Cosby's, coming from angry people who'd otherwise know little about anyone's problems. I'd like to hear complaints about the other races, unfortunately this is America, so in other words... Not gonna happen. Maybe one day though.
LHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 50 Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 3193 times:
Actually, Bill Cosby grew up in the Philly projects. He started out poor. Jeremy raises a lot of good points that I doubt Mr. Cosby would disagree with, but I think what infuriates Bill is that, rather than take the steps necessary to succeed despite these problems, too many black youth (and others, of course, but outside the scope of this discussion) celebrate ignorance and decry furthering the very education that allowed black Americans' great historical achievements.
Of course, it's easy to say that until you consider the mess that is an urban school system, and a lot of black youth will never have the opportunity for a high standard of official education through the schools. That's when the parental influence is at its most important. If your kid is in a crap school, teach him or her at home. Instill a working knowledge of the library. Most important, the parent must develop an intellectual curiosity in their child.
I just don't see the economic and social problems in the black community getting better if learning is shunned in the name of "keeping it real." Wouldn't it be better to "keep it real" the way George Washington Carver, Frederick Douglass, Ralph Bunche, and W.E.B. DuBois did?
"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9348 posts, RR: 12 Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3147 times:
I have seen parts of both speaches and it's really nothing all that new. If you have ever heard him talk, or watched any of his 1st 'Cosby Show' he's been saying the samething for 20+ years. Get an education, stay in school, go to college, parents take responsiablity for your kids, get a good job, work hard and nothing worth anything will ever be handed to you... What's so wrong with that.....?
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
QIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3063 times:
I actually didn't read your link. It didn't work on my computer.
I just remember this incident from the Danish news. It was actually pretty big here. Did he get lifetime in jail or what? I can't remember the his penalty.
QIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3052 times:
Do you think the black community would listen more to an unknown man with a PhD or an MD?
I don't think so. People respect Cosby for the man he is and for what he does for the society. Just because you maybe don't respect him doesn't mean other people don't respect him either.
Even thoug Im' not african american I respect Cosby. It takes a lot of balls to make those statements he has done lately. And he couldn't be more right of what he is saying.
25 DeskPilot: Yyz717, why not a comedian ? Who grades occupations into those who can comment and those who can't ? That's just elitism.
26 JBirdAV8r: Oh, please forgive me for not knowing all the details of yet another US gun death. There are so many in the US And all of them are obviously gang-rela
27 EMBQA: Geeezz Yyz717...Your batting a big ZERO on your facts and statements......!! Didn't Bill Cosby have a son who was killed in a gang-land style killing?
28 Airplay: And all of them are obviously gang-related? Hmm. Those peaceful, bright Canucks are so much better than those stupid, barbaric Americans, now, aren't
29 EA CO AS: And after repeatedly getting his head handed to him, Yyz717 has bid us all good night...
30 JBirdAV8r: Airplay, Hey...don't pin YYZ717's comments on Canada. We Canadians don't give creedance to much of what he says either.... Touche!
31 Mark777300: I for one compliment Cosby on his comments. But the education thing is not just only about blacks. The youth as a whole, (white, black, hispanic) in m
32 Yyz717: Cosby is known to middle America as a comic, a rather dubious professional from which to be lecturing his racial group on child rearing. Regardless of
33 QIguy24: It's also very disappointing that a man with a PhD would choose to waste his life as a cartoon comic and soap opera star. So much for helping to impro
34 Flyboy36y: It's also very disappointing that a man with a PhD would choose to waste his life as a cartoon comic and soap opera star. So much for helping to impro
35 SSTjumbo: Yyz717, since you seem to have all the answers, how would you handle Cosby's situation, same, different? Answer as you wish...
36 EMBQA: It's also very disappointing that a man with a PhD would choose to waste his life as a cartoon comic and soap opera star. So much for helping to impro
37 EA CO AS: Cosby is known to middle America as a comic, a rather dubious professional from which to be lecturing his racial group on child rearing. Regardless of
38 Captoveur: OK here is something that is nagging at me. Say you are black, who would you rather listen to: Jesse Jackson: Self proclaimed "leader" and "Reverend"
39 SESGDL: "It's also very disappointing that a man with a PhD would choose to waste his life as a cartoon comic and soap opera star. So much for helping to impr
40 Yyz717: Yyz717, since you seem to have all the answers, how would you handle Cosby's situation, same, different? Answer as you wish... I don't have all the an
41 EMBQA: YYZ717- ludicrous, isn't it? Well, no more ludicrous than Bill Cosby. Ok, lets look at it this way..... Would you listen to a parent that has raised 5
42 Yyz717: I'm not denying any of your facts, but he's a comedian (and a soap opera star). He made a career out of people not taking him seriously! Hence, it is
43 Jaysit: "Didn't Bill Cosby have a son who was killed in a gang-land style killing? Perhaps he should have raised his own family better" Yet another case of an
44 L-188: I'm not denying any of your facts, but he's a comedian (and a soap opera star). He made a career out of people not taking him seriously! Hence, it is
45 Captoveur: Just so you don't go through your entire life ignorant, like you seem to want to, YYZ717. Comparing George Carlin to Bill Cosby is a perfect example o
46 LHMark: Let's hear from Clarence Thomas, Anita Hill, Condie Rice or Colin Powell on this topic, but please not an aging comedian (and soap opera star). Let's
47 EA CO AS: Let me see if I've got this straight, Yyz717 - you're taking Cosby to task for the fact that he's more well known as a comedian than as a scholar, as
48 MxCtrlr: Can you imagine Ethel Merman advising whites on how to raise white children? Simply because she was a famous (white) actress/comedian? Or Martha Rae?
49 L-188: YYZ717, are we going to have to take the shovel away before you bury yourself?
50 LHMark: YYZ717, stop trying to hijack this thread. Signed, 777236ER
51 Yyz717: YYZ717, are we going to have to take the shovel away before you bury yourself? No way! This is WAY too much fun. You all getting bent out of shape ove
52 Captoveur: I am not sure I get what climbed up your rear and took a dump YYZ717. Dr. Cosby has the education you seem to require to speak on such things but you
53 Yyz717: Do you wish Dr. Cosby would go away because you disagree with him or do you think there might have been something to what he said? Neither. I don't di
54 LHMark: Jeez, the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, and others should have consulted you, YYZ717, before they decided that Cosby had enough public respect and stature to
55 Flyboy36y: YYz717, do live high up in the mountains where the air is thin? Were you bood off stage in your Junior High School talent show. Were you crshed by the
56 EMBQA: Now, I wonder if Ann B Davis should wear her Brady Bunch uniform when she gives advice to white America on child rearing???????? Well, she is wearing
57 Captoveur: Fred Thompson (I think thats his name) is/was an actor, currently plays the district attorney on Law and Order. He was a US Senator from Tennessee for
58 MD-90: Heh, I had fun watching Bill O'Reilly making Al Sharpton squirm a few shows back when he asked Sharpton if he'd ever had an actual job. Sharpton could
59 Canadi>nBoy: "Anyone remember Ann B. Davis? She played the maid Alice on The Brady Bunch. She also is a comedian and soap opera star, just like Cosby. More chillin
60 SESGDL: "Heh, I had fun watching Bill O'Reilly making Al Sharpton squirm a few shows back when he asked Sharpton if he'd ever had an actual job. Sharpton coul
61 Captoveur: "What does that have to do with ANYTHING? Are you stating the black people you know of that don't work or something? I know LOTS of white people who'v
62 Yyz717: You guys are taking this way too seriously! hehehe. YYz717, do live high up in the mountains where the air is thin? Nope. Toronto, Canada. 550ft above
63 Captoveur: Okay everyone, Ann B Davis' publicist has just confirmed that "Alice" will hold a press conference (wearing her maid union, with mop) and LECTURE whit
64 EA CO AS: Okay everyone, Ann B Davis' publicist has just confirmed that "Alice" will hold a press conference (wearing her maid union, with mop) and LECTURE whit
65 Canadi>nBoy: LOL! Will you guys stop and LOOK at what you're writing here .......Ann B. Davis flamewars! LOL! Ahhh, what a world.