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Democrats To Nader: Stay Out Of This!  
User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1645 times:

I just read in a danish newspaper, that Terry McAuliffe from the National Democratic Party has told Nader to please stay out of the presidential election, because they fear that Nader will "steal" too many votes from Kerry.

Does anyone of you know if this is actually true? If it is, I really think this is a lowblow from the democratic party. Are they so scared of losing that they have to use these measures to win or even have a chance??
I thougth that Kerry had a solid lead over there.

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User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

Yes its true and no, Kerry does not have a solid lead. Its still a toss up and will come down to the battle ground states once again.

User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1628 times:

I guess I have to take a look at the polls again. But do you think it will change onces he rponounces his runningmate?

User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1617 times:

I don't think his choice of running mate will matter... most people are pretty much decided. As I said, it will come down to the battle ground states once again.

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21882 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1606 times:

There are plenty of democrats who are pissed at Nader for running in 2000 (though there are plenty of other reasons why Gore didn't win, such as the huge number of unmarried women who didn't vote - they normally go Democrat), and I'm not surprised that McAuliffe asked him to withdraw his candidacy. Nor do I think it's that big a deal, as long as it was a polite request. I can guarantee it isn't the first time some big time democrat has asked him, and it won't be the last. But it should go no further than that.


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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1582 times:

I love it how the so-called "democrats" want to get all competitors to not run so they can get more votes.
Afraid to not win on your own merits, kids?

Maybe do what your socialist brethren did in the Netherlands and regularly do elsewhere and have your opponents murdered.
That way everyone will be so scared to oppose you that you win by lack of competition.


Ever noticed that only dictatorships call themselves democratic?
"Democratic" republic of Congo
"Democratic" repulic of Korea
"Democratic" party
German "Democratic" Republic
etc. etc. etc.



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User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

Actually, he is quoting historical precendents. I seem to remember a certain loudmouth baseball player who voiced several politically incorrect (and stupid) opinions, who was sent to psychological evaluation (just like in CCCP) when his democrat employer and most vocal de I do not think the US democratic party is THAT extreme, but certain elements do seem to approach those levels. I also think that asking Nader to drop out it classless and indicative of a certain unwillingness to give Americans a choice. I do not remember any Republican officials publicly demanding that Perot drop out in either of his two races. I guess the differences between the two parties includes how they comport themselves publicly, and how they can dish but not take. Just my $.02


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

I thougth that Kerry had a solid lead over there.

Amongst the canidates from the Democratic party, Kerry is ahead of the pack. That's actually an understatement because at this point he is virtually garunteed the party nomination.

But in terms of who has a lead (Kerry vs. Bush) it's a rather close call. One poll will put one ahead of the other and a canidate's popularity is in constant flux. Even four months out, it's a difficult to impossible call to make.

Ever noticed that only dictatorships call themselves democratic?

Don't forget People's Republic of China  Big grin

I don't think his choice of running mate will matter... most people are pretty much decided.

You'd be suprised. Do a Google search for Dan Quayle

But do you think it will change onces he rponounces his runningmate?

Maybe. I still plan on voting for Bush, but I respect Kerry and if he chose an excellent running mate I might reconsider.


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6057 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1545 times:

The primary reason that DNC is concerned with Nader, is because some Bush supporters have been shown to financially support him! It's obvious that every vote Nader gets, is one voter subtracted from the Democrats.

(Though there are plenty of other reasons why Gore didn't win, such as the huge number of unmarried women who didn't vote - they normally go Democrat)
Not to mention the odd couple of thousand african american voters who just happened to become disenfranchised on election night, because their name resembled that of a convicted felon.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1522 times:

"Not to mention the odd couple of thousand african american voters who just happened to become disenfranchised on election night, because their name resembled that of a convicted felon."

And the 250,000+ Democrats who voted for Bush, nevermind every single vote for Nader, which would almost certainly have been for Gore otherwise. I love how all the Democrats assume that all those convicted felons (the list had nothing to do with whether they were black or not) would *definitely* vote Democrat, just as every single last vote for Buchanan was really meant for Gore. The truth is, if Nader didn't run, Gore would have won. Period. (Gore won according to the entire media before the election was even over, but that's a whole 'nother thread.)



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1522 times:

Maybe the Democrats should change their slogan to "Anyone but Nader.."

LOL... I love it.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13767 posts, RR: 61
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1517 times:
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Don't forget People's Republic of China

The United States is a republic also, smart guy.



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User currently offlineNancy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 467 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

I love how all the Democrats assume that all those convicted felons (the list had nothing to do with whether they were black or not) would *definitely* vote Democrat.

*The problem was that many of the people who were booted of the voter registrations weren't convicted felons. The list was about 95% inaccurate.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/newsnight/1174115.stm
20,000 Registered Democrats were improperly removed. It may be safe to assume they were more likely to vote for Gore.

"A disproportionate number of the voters purged were Democrats. "
http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/08/04/florida/

A review of the information available about the services offered by DBT (a company with close Republican ties) at a cost of 4.3 million dollars reveals rather questionable practices at best.


User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1484 times:

Actually, I was reading today on-line (somewhere...CNN or USAToday) that the Republicans expect Kerry's numbers to jump about 15% in the polls over the next few weeks with the spotlight on the Democratic Convention and the picking of a VP-candidate. That is a historical percentage jump. Now, we'll see if it jumps that high or not; a lower than 15% jump may signal trouble for the Kerry campaign; higher than 15% may signal trouble for the Bush campaign; or the number may mean absolutely NOTHING! Only history will tell after the November election.

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.  Smokin cool



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineVectorVictor From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

Though there are plenty of other reasons why Gore didn't win

There is only one reason why Al Gore did not win.

Al Gore wins Tennessee, Al Gore wins the election. Florida is as irrelevent today as was on that November day in 2000.

In the post WWII period, no candidate seeking our nation's highest office has taken the oath of office on January 20 without winning his home state in the previous November's general election.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

"A review of the information available about the services offered by DBT (a company with close Republican ties) at a cost of 4.3 million dollars reveals rather questionable practices at best.
"
The company was tapped for its services in 1998, long before the 2000 election and even before Katherine Harris was on the scene.

"The list was about 95% inaccurate.
"

Again, the list was created by a company doing business with Florida since 1998, and the list was mandated by the Florida constitution. Anyone who was on the list had the opportunity to prove that they should not be on the list. Perhaps blame the election on a crappy list, but it's a far stretch of the imagination to blame it on some sort of Republican backed conspiracy.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently onlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

I saw it yesterday on CNN Int. - Insight.

There were accusations of both Republicans, who are supposedly trying to help increase the number of states where Nader would run hoping he would take some Democrat's votes
and Democrats, who try to ruin the petition process required for Nader to run as independent candidate.

Seems to me that he let's both parties make a total fool and clown of himself.


User currently offlineNancy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 467 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1450 times:

Anyone who was on the list had the opportunity to prove that they should not be on the list.

Where did you get that piece of information? There are over 3000 people who have been proven eligible to vote, and they are still on the list. Most people didn't know they were on the list until election day, and you can not obtain a copy of the list by Florida law. Do you call 2 months in advance to make sure that you can still vote?

Next, who said anything about Harris?


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

"Where did you get that piece of information?"

The links you posted.

"Next, who said anything about Harris?"

Everyone wants to blame Bush/The Republicans/White supremacists/Israel/Halliburton for the 2000 election. The reality is, it was fair and square, with the possible exception of a crumby list that was in effect well before the election ever took place, as well as before the Republican Katherine Harris arrived on the scene.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineNancy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 467 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1415 times:

Citation? Quote? Shouldn't be hard to find

User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

Hey Jetwing, I can play with quotation marks too:

democratic "Republic" of Congo
democratic "Republic" of Korea
"Republican" Party
German democratic "Republic"
People's "Republic" of China

Jetwing, stay out of American politics cuz your trolly-ass is really begining to stink up this place.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1383 times:

"Citation? Quote? Shouldn't be hard to find"

You posted those links; you read 'em!



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineCanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2843 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1374 times:

Horray for the democratic process! I don't remember the GOP saying, "Perot get your ass out of the race!" Even if they had, how much confidence does that give you in your leader if they are afraid that thier constituency might pick someone else if a "more left" candidate is available?

Had the last election not occured, and people still be picking chad off the floor in Florida, the Dem's would have welcomed Nader.



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