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Euro04 Is Over, Copa America Is Starting!  
User currently offlineJuanr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

Well, Euro04 has ended and now it is time for Copa America Peru 2004. Unfortunately most national teams will not use their best players either because their local teams (mostly in Europe) do not want them to play or because coaches see the tournament as a chance to improve the national teams to face the qualifiers for WC2006.

The groups are:

Group A. Perú, Colombia, Venezuela, Bolivia.
Group B. Argentina, México, Ecuador, Uruguay.
Group C. Brasil, Chile, Paraguay, Costa Rica.

Who do you think will win it?

I think that Peru as the host team has a lot of chances, also because they are almost the only team who is playing with their best players, I see that Brazil and Argentina are not going to take the tournament seriously. (Remember that in Colombia 2001 Argentina did not even came to play and Brazil lost in quarterfinals against Honduras (a team that replace Argentina and ended up third) I think also that Honduras should have been invited again for this competition.

So, my three choices for this year are: Peru, Mexico and Colombia, what's yours?

Juan
SKBO


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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4301 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1484 times:

Juanr:

A couple of things.

Argentina did not go to Colombia in 2002 because there was a TERRORIST threat against the team and the players. Whether if it was real or just a practical joke I don't know, but it didn't warrant going unfortunately, because it's better to be safe than sorry in such cases.
Second, the Copa America should be done every four years instead of every two, with a clause that states European teams are forced to give up their players in exchange.

That out of the way... unless the South American posters see this thread, it will go down rather quickly! There is little interest in the Copa America outside the Americas, even less than the EuroCup interest in South America, which this time around was rather scant, at best.

Anyways, I think Peru will lose in the semifinals. I also see Brazil in the finals, possibly losing there to either Paraguay or Argentina. And Costa Rica could be the dark horse. I don't see Mexico this time around doing as well as they have done in previous cups. With Argentina, Ecuador, and Uruguay in the 'group of death' with them, I find it hard to see them qualifying this time around.

Chile might be either a surprise or a total embarrasement. I don't see Venezuela as surprising as in the qualifyers, Uruguay will struggle (again!), Ecuador will probably lose in the quaters. Colombia may be better served by sending Once Caldas down, and Bolivia...  Sad

I think Paraguay, Brazil, Argentina, Peru, and Costa Rica have good chances to being in the semifinals. I personally just hope to see some good games. I think Peru will do a good job with the tournament organizing.



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User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

Good i wanna see plenty o goals from Edu and Gilberto

User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4301 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1475 times:

OHH, BTW... (I hope Argentine posters read this most specially!)

As you know Carlos Bianchi has left Boca after one of the greatest runs in football history. While not totally out of the blue, but the timing of it certainly was, almost everyone in the CABJ organization has said. This is bringing the conspiracy theorist in me.

Why did Bianchi leave at this time??

Official explanation: personal reasons (a fight with her mother-in-law!!!  Big grin

My conspiracy mind hypothesis:

1. Losing in the Libertadores finals and not winning the Clausura good time for Bianchi to 'suddenly' leave.
2. Then, Argentina stinks in Peru 2004, doesn't win the cup.
3. Revolution ensues in the Provinces and Bielsa's head is put on a platter.
4. Bielsa resigns (that is, if AFA is not involved in a conspiracy behind the conspiracy)...

Argentina has no national coach. Bianchi has no job.

You add 1 +1.





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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

Chile might be either a surprise or a total embarrasement

What a perfect way for describing Chilean football performance!



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User currently offlineJuanr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1443 times:

Argentina did not go to Colombia in 2002 because there was a TERRORIST threat against the team and the players. Whether if it was real or just a practical joke I don't know, but it didn't warrant going unfortunately, because it's better to be safe than sorry in such cases.

Well everybody knew that was bs, they did not wanted to come and that was a silly excuse (just like Bianchi's when CABJ left the stadium without their trophy as runner ups in Copa Libertadores finals); anyway, we did not missed the Argentina's natioanl team at all as Catrachos were already contacted before and they made a hell of a job defeating Bolivia, Uruguay and Brazil, and ending as a third place.

Second, the Copa America should be done every four years instead of every two, with a clause that states European teams are forced to give up their players in exchange.

In fact Copa America used to be done every two years but Conmebol has modified the schedule in order to play it every four years. Last Copa America was played three years ago and next Copa America will be in four years.

There is little interest in the Copa America outside the Americas.

I don't think so, this Copa America will be seen in 130 countries on all the five continents, wherever Brazil is playing, even with subsititutes, there'll be people willing to see it.

Well, today is kick off, two games to be played

Colombia Vs Venezuela
Peru Vs Bolivia

My Prediction:
Colombia 2-Venezuela 0
Peru 3-Bolivia 1

Juan
SKBO






User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1435 times:

Im looking forward to it, im having Euro 2004 withdrawal symptoms. Its always interesting watching Brazil and the other great teams from down south. Unfortunately the game are on at 11pm over here which is a bit inconvenient.

So have Brazil picked Edu, I presume they picked Gilberto? What about Ronaldinho and Ronaldo, obviously they're on the plane right?


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1426 times:
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Second, the Copa America should be done every four years instead of every two, with a clause that states European teams are forced to give up their players in exchange.

What bollocks. The clubs pay their wages and therefore keep up their livelyhoods, no club should ever be forced to release their players for a third rate tournament on the other side of the world. The clubs should should have the final say on where their player ends up.

As for this tournament, well, there's only one team remotely entertaining to watch, and that's Brazil, would love to see the gooner boys in actions!





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User currently offlineIwantaBBJ From Switzerland, joined Jun 2002, 775 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1421 times:
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I would like to see the Mexicans win this one....

Arriba!!

Mike


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1412 times:

Come on man that's a bit arrogant. Europe just had its tournament, so South America has every right to have its own (just like Africa). As for third rate - don't forget the current World Champions come from South America! If anyone is to blame it is FIFA. Surely logic dictates that the Euro 2004, African Nations Cup and Copa America should have been played at the same time, therefore minimising the disruption to the various league sides in which the players play.


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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1400 times:

BTW, Copa America is the oldest soccer tournaments of the world.
I also think Copa America should be played every 4 years. But with our current qualifying system for the world cup, Copa America gets lost in between, don't you think? Maybe the best time for play it would be every 4 years, 1 year after each world cup. This way, teams will be focused in nothing but this tournament and not in the other process.

And don't look South American Soccer as it didn't matter;
So far, South America has won 9 world Cups , Europe 7
Also funny, South America never won in Europe, will that be changed in Germany?



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

Well everybody knew that was bs, they did not want to come and that was a silly excuse (just like Bianchi's when CABJ left the stadium without their trophy as runner ups in Copa Libertadores finals)


Not only silly, but by far the most arrogant attitude I've seen in these sort of tournaments. Leaves a lot to say about him and the team definitely...


SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4301 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1372 times:

Well, I have been pleasantly surprised by today's games. The technical qualities of the teams are still poor, but the was action.

That goal the colombian player missed is ridiculous. Probably an upcomming sport blooper! The Peru-Bolivia game was really good I have to say. It started horrendous but that second half was great! Peru must have missed four goals in the last 20 minutes!! But the second goal by Bolivia was an incredible individual dribbling act. Wow. Anyways...

I'm not going to match blatantly anti-argentine comments with anti-_______ replies. So, I'll just generally respond.

I actually would have liked to see Argentina play in Colombia... I don't know if it's OK to say or not, but I think some Colombians felt injured by Argentina not going and that's why they resent us till this day. I can understand this so I'm not going to make argument about such.

As for clubs letting players go, if it was the other way around I'm sure the person who made the comments would feel differently. That said, I actually tend to agree with the general notion. Hopefully, if certain reforms being discussed are enacted within Argentine Football (like team mergers, so that every city doesn't have 20 teams, that's just not profitable), the tournament is changed, and SOME private sector investment is allowed in, within the next 15 years NO player from Argentina will go to Europe because they $$ is better. And good riddance when that day comes.

Finally, the third rate tournament Arsenal@LHR supposedly looks down upon still has three teams playing in it that have won more World Cups by themselves than England probably will ever win...

So, I'm not weeping over the comments. Win a couple more World Cups, then you may macho around with pompous statements, sir...  Smokin cool



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User currently offlineJuanr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1370 times:

Arcano:

A South American team have already won a WC in Europe: remember: Brazil won in Stockholm, Sweden back in 1958!! Europeans have never been able to win outside their continent!

By the way I think that European attitude about South American football is too silly, we have the right to use our best players whenever we want and more if it is to play in one of the most important FIRST class tournament like Copa America, besides, this is not the other side of the world, there is only 5 hours difference from Europe.

Roberta: Edu will play for Brazil, unfortunately neither Cafu nor, Roberto Carlos, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Gilberto were chosen to play the tournament. If you want to check out the players take a look at this link:

http://img.conmebol.com/csf/Copa-America/peru2004/planteles_ca2004_6-7-04.txt

By the way, matchday one has just ended:

Colombia 1 - Venezuela 0
Peru 2 - Bolivia 2

That is good news for our country, if we win against Bolivia on friday we will have a spot on the quarterfinals!!

Juan
SKBO



User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1357 times:

I'm puzzled. Surely clubs don't have the right to refuse national call ups for these games? Why is it any different to say, Euro 2004 or a world cup in this respect?

On the subject of Arsenal's comment. Clubs are stunningly arrogant in their view of international football. They forget how much money they make out of it, with interest in football (i.e. ticket sales, merchandising etc) going through the roof if a national team performs well.



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User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2352 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1353 times:
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Great, Chile shares one group with Brasil .. .there goes our chance to see Chile in some later matches :-(

Whatever .. I'll cheer for Chile!

Mario
LH526



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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1339 times:
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within the next 15 years NO player from Argentina will go to Europe because they $$ is better. And good riddance when that day comes

You mean money-grabbing mega flops like Juan Veron and Hernan Crespo in the English game?  Laugh out loud




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User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2479 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1339 times:

Lol the Copa America is by far one of the most entertaining tournaments around.

Good to see that Colombia won their first match!  Smile


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

I hardly think those two have been failures in Italy though, Arsenal. Yes, they struggled in England, but not elsewhere. I'm not sure anyone has ever said they aren't good players.


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User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1324 times:

I actually thought Crespo was pretty good, and that this year he would score regularly now that he has had a chance to adapt. Moving back to Italy is a backward step for him now that Serie A is no longer a top top league


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User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

now that Serie A is no longer a top top league

What!?!?!?!


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1321 times:

Oh come on, what Serie A team could realistically challenge for the Premiership or Primera Liga? The balance of power has shifted from the 1990's - in fact the Bundesliga and arguable the French league are now stronger than Serie A.


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User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1320 times:

Juve, Roma, AC Milan could all win the Prem or at least put up a good challenge. Ok they all fucked up in the CL this season but so did the English teams.

User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1313 times:

Juve, Roma or Milan would finish a maximum of 4th. None of those could finish higher than Chelsea, Arsenal or Man Utd.


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User currently offlineJuanr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1291 times:

Well, update, Mexico and Uruguay drew 2-2 and Argentina defeated Ecuador 6-1 that really was a surprise since I did not see the Argentinians too strong and the Ecuadorians too weak, also Mexico dissapointed me; anyway, today's games: Costa Rica Vs Paraguay and Chile Vs. Brazil lot of emotions for today!!! (BTW I think this is the real death group).

Juan
SKBO


25 Tavong : Well about Argentina VS Ecuador...you already know Bolillo "Gomez" always keeps the same scheme and after a lot of matches with the same always all th
26 Derico : I think it's rather interesting how these historical swings go about. Today, no one gives Argentina a chance to win anything. Chile, Colombia, and Mex
27 Ghost77 : also Mexico dissapointed me; Not only you Juanr, it dissapointed all the nation I could say LOL. Mi tocayo Lavolpe change a lot of players from the st
28 Phxairfan : I have seen that in the past the US has been invited to participate and didn't fair too bad. Can someone help explain to me who all is invited to Copa
29 Arcano : Brazil played like crap; Chile didn't deserve to loose!
30 Juanr : Phxairfan: Until Chile 1991 Copa America was played by the ten South American teams divided in two groups, the best two teams of each group advanced t
31 Post contains images Blink182 : I saw the second half of Argentina vs. Ecuador on one of the spanish networks here in the USA. Ecuador to me seemed as if they didn't even bother to s
32 Ghost77 : Brazil played like crap; Chile didn't deserve to loose! Agree!!! Too bad 'chamagol' (S. González) didn't score during the game (I'm not talking about
33 Post contains images Arcano : I watched France-UK, does it counts? We have really bad luck; half of the team was injured before the game and the tournament (Pinilla, Mark Gonzalez)
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