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Kerry Choose Edwards  
User currently offlineFunFlyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 866 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1386 times:

Kerry choose Edwards as his VP running mate.



Source: CNN World News


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User currently offlineMbmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

Not a surprise. Not a bad choice.



User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1345 times:

So it is Lurch and the Ambulance Chaser. This will make for fun time. Of course Edwards said over and over during the primary that he would never accept the VP nomination. Guess he decided to decline it before deciding to accept it.

Truly, Kerry is trying to buy himself some charisma. At the end of the day, John Kerry is still John Kerry and not even John Edwards can change that fact. Edwards has not been subjected to any real scrutiny. He is a one term senator with no other elective office and an ambulance chaser. During the Dem primaries, Edwards showed real inexperience and lack of knowledge about foreign affairs. Kerry probably chose Edwards because he feels superior to him and wants a younger, yes-man to be his running mate. Kerry is so insecure that picking someone of real stature would be a threat to him.

I wonder how the AFL-CIO will take this. They've said Kerry promised them to pick Gephardt and if he didn't there would be hell to pay.

Of course the media will puke up a bunch of polls showing that Lurch is ahead of Bush by at leadt 15%. Polls which have been setup ahead of time to produce said result.

[Edited 2004-07-06 15:13:13]


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User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1338 times:

This was Kerry's best choice. It helps him in the crucial South where his NE liberal image would play very poorly.

The question is how much will Edward's trial lawyer background hurt him in middle America. The Vice Presidential debates should be very exciting.

I believe that Kerry missed a chance to distinguish himself. The 2004 election will be another contest between 4 rich white men all talking about what "real Americans" really need.



User currently offlineElectraBob From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 931 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

Just watched the end of Kerry's speech....as the speech ended, they started playing Chuck Berry's mouldy oldie "Johnny B. Goode"...guess that song could apply to either candidate.

[Edited 2004-07-06 15:27:45]


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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4524 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1315 times:

The GOP will hit the ticket with everything they have....their track racord thus far is only the beginning. But John Edwards was truly the best choice. He's the one everyone wanted, he's the most exciting, the most vibrant VP candidate. He's going to inject life, charisma, and excitement into this campaign the way no other VP candidate could.

This is what we needed.

But most of all Edwards has such broad appeal that we now, with this decision, find ourselves in the best position to truly have a chance of winning this November. Kerry and Edwards together make Bush/Cheney look like ghouls. And just listening to Kerry's speech today makes me feel like he is such a leader.....and that Bush....is such a disgraceful joke.

This is what we needed. Bush will throw all he has at Edwards, trying to make people hate him because he's a lawyer no doubt...and they'll trot out the very tired but effective routine of labeling him "dishonest."

They did it with Gore, they're doing it with Kerry, and they'll do it some more with Edwards. Fortunately, things do tend to bounce off Edwards and perhaps....his charm and speaking ability will overcome the excrement that the Bush team is about to throw.


Best of luck to us. We could very realistically win this thing now.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8034 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

Oh great.

We now have the one of the most liberal US Senators picking a former trial lawyer. Let's see how long before they start pandering to the Michael Moore ultra-liberal crowd.


User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4524 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1265 times:

Who would you rather he picked?


Or should he have just picked someone boring to better Bush's chances?

Bush is scared now I bet. They're calling the Edwards pick Kerry's "worst flip-flop ever."


They're really losing it. The GOP website is a joke and looks like it was put together by a 5-year-old. They're running an ad that features McCain saying positive things about Bush, and yet today McCain said he will not criticise Kerry or Edwards...taking the air right out of Bush's ad.

Bush and Cheney, together, look so much worse than Kerry and Edwards. Bush/Cheney presents a vision of doom and gloom, of depression and fear, of war. Kerry/Edwards is a vision of hope, optimism, real leadership, change, and repaired ties with our allies and an effort to fix the problems at home.


Kerry/Edwards makes me feel hope. Bush/Cheney makes me feel scared. How anyone can support Bush/Cheney, is beyond me. I just hope that we defeat them, and their supporters.


User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1261 times:

"The question is how much will Edward's trial lawyer background hurt him in middle America. The Vice Presidential debates should be very exciting.

I believe that Kerry missed a chance to distinguish himself. The 2004 election will be another contest between 4 rich white men all talking about what "real Americans" really need."


Many do not see Edwards as just another rich white guy. While he made it big as a trial lawyer, he grew up in a working class family and worked hard to put himself through college. He's a self-made millionaire, and I respect that.

"Oh great.

We now have the one of the most liberal US Senators picking a former trial lawyer. Let's see how long before they start pandering to the Michael Moore ultra-liberal crowd."


Edwards is far from a far-left liberal. He's a centrist democrat who appeals to many independents.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1223 times:

Edwards is a safe bet. Dull, but safe.

And I think that the "trial lawyer" attack on him will fail, because Edwards is a very good speaker, and can put the right spin on his career - he came from very humble origins and used his education and hard work to become very successful. In any case, it will be interesting to see how the GOP goes on the attack, and how Edwards will play it out. However, between Kerry,the REAL War Veteran, and Edwards, the guy who pulled himself up by his own bootstrings, the Dems at least have a made-for-TV partnership.

I would have liked to see a woman on a national ticket, but there doesn't appear to be anyone on the Dem side who has a national presence. Ditto for the GOP. National politics are in a sad state of affairs.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1203 times:

Guess he decided to decline it before deciding to accept it.

A non-issue.

They'll immediately gloss that over with a "America so desperately needs salvation... for the good of the country, I had to do it.." line of bullsh!t; and sadly, most will buy it.




Many do not see Edwards as just another rich white guy. While he made it big as a trial lawyer, he grew up in a working class family and worked hard to put himself through college. He's a self-made millionaire

No offense intended, but you just demonstrated 1st-rate ignorance as to the mental-mechanics of the class warfare crowd:

They couldn't give a flying pigf^ck about how he got to be an old rich white dude... but that he is another old rich white dude.  Yeah sure

Whether daddy gave it to him, he started his own business, he won the lotto, etc is completely irrelevant to that ilk... the most recent example being how badly ultra-lib Californians went after Arnold for not being "in touch with the working class", when everyone and their grandmother knows that he started off with barely the rags on his backside.

[Edited 2004-07-06 18:11:08]

User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4130 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1193 times:

During the Dem primaries, Edwards showed real inexperience and lack of knowledge about foreign affairs.

I was looking through your GOP rhetoric-filled post to see anything that might actually be worthy of a discussion until I found that gem above. I'm sure your selective memory makes you forget the utter lack of knowledge in international affairs by Dubya as a candidate. Hell, he didn't even know who was the leader of Pakistan, let alone where it was.

I think Edwards will be refreshing to an otherwise dull campaign on both sides. But like 2000, it feels like another set of crappy choices. We need another Clinton-like candidate, be it in the GOP or DNC.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13736 posts, RR: 61
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1189 times:
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I'm sure your selective memory makes you forget the utter lack of knowledge in international affairs by Dubya as a candidate. Hell, he didn't even know who was the leader of Pakistan, let alone where it was.

Which would actually matter if the Kerry/Edwards ticket were running against Governor George W. Bush.

They're not.

They're running against President George W. Bush, who now has much more international experience than both of them combined.

Whether or not you like the President, he IS the President and that experience cannot be overlooked or downplayed.



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1182 times:

Re: They're running against President George W. Bush, who now has much more international experience than both of them combined.

Unfortunately, I don't think anyone would say that President Bush's Foreign policy has been stellar. Rather the opposite, in fact.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13736 posts, RR: 61
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1181 times:
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I don't think anyone would say that President Bush's Foreign policy has been stellar. Rather the opposite, in fact.

That's merely your opinion, not a fact. My opinion is different - but again, it's merely my opinion.

Ultimately, it will be up to the American voters to decide who is the better overall candidate.



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1171 times:

"Whether daddy gave it to him, he started his own business, he won the lotto, etc is completely irrelevant to that ilk..."

It may be irrelevant to hard-left blow hards in Nancy Pelosi's office, but its not irrelevant to the vast majority of Americans who DO CARE how someone got to be rich. I'd like to think that hard work and brains DO AMOUNT to something in this country. Its all part of the American dream to make something of yourself from nothing.

As far as Kerry's foreign policy experience is concerned his senatorial record provides enough evidence to support his knowledge and experience in foreign policy. Between him and potential First Lady Theresa Heinz, they could bring back the support of all countries Bush and Cheney have put in a collective state of disgust.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1172 times:

Re: That's merely your opinion, not a fact.

Yes, it is an opinion - an opinion shared by a great many non-Americans, at whom President Bush's non-stellar foreign policy was directed. While our opinions do not affect the outcome of the election, when considering soberly the success or failure of the foreign policy, two factors should be considered.

1. Did President Bush's foreign policy advance US interests across the world ?

Debatable. I would say not. Reduced levels of cooperation in the war on terror, reduced inward investment into the US, reduced US influence at the UN and in other international fora.

2. Did President Bush's foreign policy improve relations between the US and foreign countries ?

Again, debatable. Offhand I would say no. The standing of the US in the international community has been diminished rather than enhanced, over many issues such as the WTO and subsidies, the International Criminal Court, a trend towards unilateralism, isolationism and protectionism.

These are opinions only, as these things are difficult to measure empirically.


User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1166 times:

Picking Edwards was probably a good choice. More moderates will warm to Edwards, and takes a little off the label of "Eastern Liberal" that the GOP will brand the ticket.

Also it gives the ticket a boost to the "younger" crowd. Kerry has the air of "old" politics about him. That's not meant in an insulting way, but he looks like any run-of-the-mill politico. As does "Dubya" and Cheney. Granted Kerry went snowboarding a while back, but it's not the same, as a fresh faced VP pick.

Edwards could easily turn up on MTV and not look silly. I can't see Dick Cheney doing that. (But it would be funny if he did it, and pulled it off.)

The debates will be very interesting to watch, between the VP picks.



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1163 times:

The GOP will hit the ticket with everything they have

And what do you think the Dems do to Bush? Seriously....

DOES NO ONE GET IT THAT THESE PARTIES EACH ATTACK EACH OTHER!?

To insist that one party is a victim while the other is a saint is just plain stupid!

And as for the pick...now we have a choice between a dimwit running with a greedy oil CEO with a dirty mouth kept alive only through the miracle of Disney animatronics vs. a flip-flopping douchebag running with an ambulance chaser. And our third choice is a "consumer advocate" who helps spawn coffee lawsuits, stupid warning labels, and will only hand the election to the dimwit if he gets anywhere. God bless HELP America!

B4e-Forever New Frontiers


User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1146 times:

During the Dem primaries, Edwards showed real inexperience and lack of knowledge about foreign affairs.

As compared to a Culture professor? Yes... As compared to GW Bush? NO



I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1142 times:

"During the Dem primaries, Edwards showed real inexperience and lack of knowledge about foreign affairs."

Haha!!! Bush Didn't know shit about foreign policies before he was elected. He hadn't even been otside the US Big grin
Do you call that a man with knowledge???
Damn he knows just as little as I do  Big grin


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1119 times:

He hadn't even been otside the US

Damn he knows just as little as I do



Judging from the upper emboldened phrase, apparently not  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1083 times:

Edwards will be a big success if he gets that fat livin-high-on-the-hog-on-your-tax-dollars creampuff Cheney to use the F-word in the debates. I can just see the fat lying grump spit the F-word in Edwards' face ! That should go over real well with Mom and Pop.

Oh, and get ready to see a whole dog and pony show of people helped by trial attorneys trotted out - victims of the Love Canal, Woburn, and Times Beach disasters. Should blow the usual clap trap that the GOP trots out about how awful trial attorneys are and how they've singlehandedly raised the price of cigarettes.


User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1081 times:

Should blow the usual clap trap that the GOP trots out about how awful trial attorneys are and how they've singlehandedly raised the price of cigarettes.

Just like the clap trap that the dems trot out about the GOP and how greedy businesses are.

Seriously, this proves my point in the "Left, Right, and Freedom" thread. Some people are just "on a mission". I'm convinced both political parties must be paying these members.

(place your bets...how long till jaysit unsuccessfully tries to pin me as a GOP-nut?)

B4e-Forever New Frontiers

PS: (reposted from reply #18) And as for the pick...now we have a choice between a dimwit running with a greedy oil CEO with a dirty mouth kept alive only through the miracle of Disney animatronics vs. a flip-flopping douchebag running with an ambulance chaser. And our third choice is a "consumer advocate" who helps spawn coffee lawsuits, stupid warning labels, and will only hand the election to the dimwit if he gets anywhere. God bless HELP America!

EDIT: Forgot to readd the "strike" code for the word bless.

[Edited 2004-07-06 20:47:35]

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1075 times:

"(place your bets...how long till jaysit unsuccessfully tries to pin me as a GOP-nut?)"

Gosh, you're boring. Placing a bet on you is like placing a bet on whether bread mold is green or grey. Why bother?

"Just like the clap trap that the dems trot out about the GOP and how greedy businesses are."

And that is just as soporific as the stuff you post. See, you and Nancy "ZZZZZ" Pelosi do have something in common.

But the issue here is Edwards and his nomination. Erego, his successes as a trial attorney - which the GOP attack dogs will make an issue of.


25 Post contains images Boeing4ever : And that is just as soporific as the stuff you post. See, you and Nancy "ZZZZZ" Pelosi do have something in common. Yes, I'm boring because I'm not a
26 Jaysit : "I guess in your mind there is no such thing as a Democratic attack dog?" Speak for yourself, not me. And attribute your assumptions to the a.net ethe
27 Cba : The GOP will attack Edwards, as they have done with Kerry. While the GOP seems to be having a field day with Kerry's long senate record (although much
28 B757300 : I just find some of these quotes interesting... Jan. 2004: When asked on NBC's "Today" show whether he'd run as a vice presidential candidate, he rule
29 Jaysit : "I just find some of these quotes interesting..." etc etc etc These pale in comparison to what GW Bush said about Ronald Reagan before he got picked i
30 L-188 : Well, you know the real looser in this is Hillary. If for some reason Americans don't think about what they are doing in November and elect the two Ja
31 Garnetpalmetto : Good show, jaysit. In classic B757300 fashion he'll probably go and sulk for a little while...he knows how to give it, but when people call him on the
32 Dl021 : Yeah, he really got called on the carpet there....so what you are saying is that it's ok because somebody else did it? Is that not deflecting criticis
33 Mdsh00 : They're running against President George W. Bush, who now has much more international experience than both of them combined. You seemed to have totall
34 L-188 : Just everybody keep in mind, that Edwards was Kerry's second choice. John McCain actually had principals and refused to join the democrats.
35 MEA-707 : Nobody cares Kerry and Edwards critizised eachother a few months ago... that's normal campaign rethoric... what did you expect, that Edwards would say
36 Diamond : . . . the most recent example being how badly ultra-lib Californians went after Arnold . . . Dude, have you been hanging out at the voodoo parlors to
37 Galaxy5 : I believe that Kerry missed a chance to distinguish himself. The 2004 election will be another contest between 4 rich white men all talking about what
38 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Whispering sweet nothings again 'eh Diamond? ...all these promises and yet, no date/time/planning of delivery-- sorta like the Democrats in this case
39 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Dude, have you been hanging out at the voodoo parlors too much? I need to slap the shit out of you someday. Ok, Diamond, I tolerated your "Did I menti
40 B757300 : I believe that Kerry missed a chance to distinguish himself. The 2004 election will be another contest between 4 rich white men all talking about what
41 Baw2198 : Should've choosen Vilsack. Then Iowa could've gotten a better gov. Also, at least Vilsack would've had the same values as Kerry. Edwards is a loose ca
42 PROSA : I am very disappointed due to Edwards' background as a trial lawyer. Tort reform is a critically important issue facing the United States, as runaway
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