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Why I'm Not Voting For Bush Anymore  
User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

First of all, I am not a Liberal, so don't disregard this as a bunch of treehugger BS. I am a moderate Republican who at the age of 18 has already been a delegate to one of our local GOP conventions.

I write this today because I have been thinking lately about our bigshot in the Oval office. Somethings have really begun to worry me about the way he has been doing his job in the White House. Here are just some things that worry me that GW has done.

-Taking us to war in Iraq based on obviously faulty intelligence. Where are the WMDs that nearly a 1000 of our own American troops and 1000s of innocent Iraqis have died for?

-The war in Afghanistan. Why did we wait so long to find OBL? This is a clearly justified war that I 100% support. But why so few troops committed and why did we wait months to do it? Obviously it takes time to plan a war, but we could have easily started some strategic air strikes.

-And why the hell would we give illegal aliens drivers licenses and work permits? I know it was just a proposal that wont see the light of day, but it ticks me off that he would even think of such an idea. Either kick them all out (which is not feaseable) or secure the borders and give amnesty to the ones that are already here (very feasable with funding). We'll spend $80bil+ on Iraq, but we won't spend the money necessary to secure our OWN borders? WTF!

-And most importantly, the complete destruction of the worlds opinion of AMerica after 9/11. We had the world's support after 9/11 and Bush managed to not only eliminate their support for us, but to also get them to HATE our gov't and even our people. We need a new leader to at least let half of our country calm down and let the world calm down too.

-And locally, not introducing or getting enough funds for law enforcement and fire/ems to protect us after 9/11. It would have been a cake walk to get money to help out our first responders if we could convince Congress to fund Iraq. Not only have many local governments had to freeze hiring of more first responders, but many have had to fire 100s of cops, fire fighters and ems. To me that is rediculous.

To those who will now criticize me, I will first say I know Bush does not have a button under his desk that magically makes these things happen, but with his influence and popularity with the people after 9/11, all he would have needed to do is make a few phone calls and garner up some support.

And another thing I have wanted to know, is if any other Repubs have had some of the same opinions? I will vote for Repub Govs and Congressman this election, but unfortunately Bush will not get an X next to his name. But just as unfortunate, Kerry will get one too. But who knows, maybe something tragic will happen to Kerry, and then Edwards (who I'd much rather have be president) will then be one.

Erik in MSP

Ps And no I dont plan on hurting Kerry so don't go callin' the secret service and FBI for making threats on him.


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User currently offlineYanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1404 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2351 times:


Where are the WMDs that nearly a 1000 of our own American troops and 1000s of innocent Iraqis have died for?

Easy answer, Syria. Look, before the war, Saddam had very close relations with the Syrians. Just before we striked the country, he transported all of the weapons to his buddies in Syria. Top Syrian officials have said that this is true and another factor is that before being captured, Saddam actually was hiding in Syria, but was forced out because of pressure from us.

Why did we wait so long to find OBL?

Look, it is going to take more than just a few years to find one single person who is hiding in Afghanistan or Pakistan. We have to remember that during the President's speech after the attacks, he said that this would take quite some time and wouldn't be over in a few years. We have to keep patience.

And why the hell would we give illegal aliens drivers licenses and work permits

I totally agree with you on this issue. I believe the president made a big mistake with this and I agree that every illegal alien should be sent packing. However, John Kerry is pretty much the same and there's no reason to think he is better on this issue.



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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

Nice regurgitation of the standard Democrat "seminar caller" talking points. Somehow I don't put a lot of credence in your first two paragraphs.

-Taking us to war in Iraq based on obviously faulty intelligence. Where are the WMDs that nearly a 1000 of our own American troops and 1000s of innocent Iraqis have died for?

644 troops have died in actual combat. More than twice that many died during a training exercise in preparation for D-Day. The media includes every who dies in Iraq just to pad the numbers. People who die in a car wreck, have a heart attack or heat stroke, suicide, or any other kind of accident don't count as combat casualties but the media likes to include them in the total. As for the intelligence, President Bush made the decision based on the information available at the time. If the CIA was providing bad data, the fault lies with them. It is the President's job to act in what he believes is the best interest of the U.S. even if later the information is found to have problems. (BTW, plenty of WMD's and WMD programs have been found in Iraq but the media spikes the stories.)

-The war in Afghanistan. Why did we wait so long to find OBL? This is a clearly justified war that I 100% support. But why so few troops committed and why did we wait months to do it? Obviously it takes time to plan a war, but we could have easily started some strategic air strikes.

Uh, we started strikes just over a month after September 11th. Unless you wanted to lob some Peacekeepers over to Afghanistan, it takes time to move forces into position. That is one of the reasons we didn't send tens of thousands of troops in at once. Seeing how Afghanistan isn't on the coast nor is it easily accessible via land routes.

-And why the hell would we give illegal aliens drivers licenses and work permits? I know it was just a proposal that wont see the light of day, but it ticks me off that he would even think of such an idea. Either kick them all out (which is not feasible) or secure the borders and give amnesty to the ones that are already here (very feasible with funding). We'll spend $80bil+ on Iraq, but we won't spend the money necessary to secure our OWN borders? WTF!

Uh, when did Bush propose giving drivers licenses to illegals? Last time I checked it is a 1/2 dozen states doing it, not the federal government.

-And most importantly, the complete destruction of the worlds opinion of America after 9/11. We had the world's support after 9/11 and Bush managed to not only eliminate their support for us, but to also get them to HATE our gov't and even our people. We need a new leader to at least let half of our country calm down and let the world calm down too.

Oh please. Why should Bush care what France and Germany think. The President's job is to do what is in the best interest of the United States, not what makes some Eurowhiners happy.

-And locally, not introducing or getting enough funds for law enforcement and fire/ems to protect us after 9/11. It would have been a cake walk to get money to help out our first responders if we could convince Congress to fund Iraq. Not only have many local governments had to freeze hiring of more first responders, but many have had to fire 100s of cops, fire fighters and ems. To me that is rediculous.

Do you have any idea how much money the government is spending on trying to equip and train so called "first responders"? Where I work has received hundreds of millions to do just that and we're just one state agency in Texas. Besides, obviously you don't know how government works. President Bush doesn't just spend money at will. Congress has to approve any such funding so if you want to whine about that, write your CongressCritters.



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User currently offlineRaginMav From United States of America, joined May 2004, 376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

I am sick and tired of people such as N6376m who arrogantly label themselves as "executive" and then take shots at someone else's job.


agreed

USAirways737, while I don't exactly agree with everything you had to say, I value your opinion just as any executive in the forum.

[Edited 2004-07-07 18:21:56]

User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

"Easy answer, Syria."

If the whole reason we went after Saddam and Iraq is because of them posessing WMDs, then why not the same for Syria. We cannot pick and choose which threats to deal with and which ones to not deal with without looking a little biased.

Erik in MSP

ps. be easy on N6376m, I'm sure he's just having a hard day at work surfing A.net and all.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

Typical insightful comments from someone who's occupation is "making sandwiches at Subway."

The really funny thing is, his vote counts just as much as your vote.


User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

I think americans should be a little more fair to GWB and his cronies. I think they should give him another chance.

I personally want Bush to come back. That dodos continued presence as America's head honcho is beneficial of other countries like India and China.

-Roy


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2308 times:

We'll spend $80bil+ on Iraq, but we won't spend the money necessary to secure our OWN borders? WTF!

You bring up a great point there. Don't listen to the hardcore Bush people on here. They hold the administration in such high regard that nothing can be wrong with it, and attack anyone who thinks otherwise (be it personally or politically).

Nice regurgitation of the standard Democrat "seminar caller" talking points.

And all your posts reek of GOP sheep, B757300. I don't see your point.



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

"Besides, obviously you don't know how government works. President Bush doesn't just spend money at will. Congress has to approve any such funding so if you want to whine about that, write your CongressCritters."


I am quite familar with how government works thankyou. The president, while he does not vote alongside Congress, has huge influence over much of what goes on. Having (or not having) the presidents support before a bill is introduced on the floor, plays a big role in whether a congressman actually wastes his/her time with introducing a bill. Also, the president creates policy. It is up to him to get lawmakers on his side to introduce legislation.

Also, much of that federal money is only for equipment and infrastructure, not necessarily for more police officers. So while local PDs are receiving new bomb and chemical weapons equipment, they are laying of more officers.

Erik in MSP


User currently offlineNasmal From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

Looks like N6376m wasn't bright enough to see that USairways737 is also and student who is working on the side to make extra money. Sorry must students cannot work as executives while being a student.

User currently offlineKYIPpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

644 troops have died in actual combat. More than twice that many died during a training exercise in preparation for D-Day.

WTF does that have to do with anything??? WWII was completely different from today's situation.



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User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

USAirways, you make some pretty good comments, and as a moderate Republican, myself, I can see what you are saying in your dissatisfaction with Dubya.

As I watch the news, read the papers, or look at media websites, I often ask myself, "How could this go so wrong?" And yes, I know the media slants "left". But one has to wonder how so many things in this administration have seemed to go off the desired direction, as was pointed out in some of USAirways comments.

As there is no (in my opinion) viable alternative in November, I'll vote the way I voted, in 2000.



If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

"644 troops have died in actual combat. More than twice that many died during a training exercise in preparation for D-Day"

I meant to correct myself earlier, but I stand corrected at the new number. For some reason I thought it was higher. That does not mean that that number is any less significant. I'm sure if they died in Afghanistan actually fighting terrorists or looking for OBL, they would have been more than willing to die. But for getting WMDs that didn't exist out of Saddam Husseins hands, I don't think they were as willing to give up their lives for. A motto I have for the war is:

Support the troops in Iraq, but not the war in Iraq.

Erik in MSP


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3471 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

"People who die in a car wreck, have a heart attack or heat stroke, suicide, or any other kind of accident don't count as combat casualties but the media likes to include them in the total."

Give me a break! Do you honestly think that more than maybe 2 people have died of those things you've listed above? Maybe none at all. Most of these people are young and most young people don't die of heart attack or heat stroke. And for your information, they DO list when someone dies of car crashes, etc. Haven't heard of any suicides though.

"Where are the WMDs that nearly a 1000 of our own American troops and 1000s of innocent Iraqis have died for?

Easy answer, Syria. Look, before the war, Saddam had very close relations with the Syrians. Just before we striked the country, he transported all of the weapons to his buddies in Syria. Top Syrian officials have said that this is true and another factor is that before being captured, Saddam actually was hiding in Syria, but was forced out because of pressure from us."

Geez! Then you need to walk over to CIA headquarters and tell them that you know where the WMDs are because they certainly don't. Yeah sure

Some of you all's posts are hilarious!

Jeremy


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13547 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2250 times:
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76m was attempting to point out that USAirways737's post was fairly simplistic in nature, rehashing the major points that most Democratic party operatives serve up when criticizing the Bush Administration.

And sorry, but most 16-20 year old student/Sandwich Artists tend to be somewhat naive when it comes to political matters.



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User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

"And sorry, but most 16-20 year old student/Sandwich Artists tend to be somewhat naive when it comes to political matters."

Yet, like it was pointed out earlier, my vote means exactly the same as yours. And I would say I am just a tad above average on my knowledge of political affairs as my prior political involvement shows.

Erik in MSP

[Edited 2004-07-07 18:52:27]

User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

Well, if Roy wants me to vote for Bush...  Yeah sure

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13547 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2228 times:
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Yet, like it was pointed out earlier, my vote means exactly the same as yours.

I never said it didn't. I'm just pointing out that while both count exactly the same, an informed vote is always preferable to an uninformed one.



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

"I never said it didn't. I'm just pointing out that while both count exactly the same, an informed vote is always preferable to an uninformed one."

And I was simply pointing out that I am not as uninformed as you people that disagree with me would like to think.

Erik in MSP


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

76m was attempting to point out that USAirways737's post was fairly simplistic in nature, rehashing the major points that most Democratic party operatives serve up when criticizing the Bush Administration.

And many of the Republicans on this board have the same simplistic arguements that are simple reiterations of the GOP party line. Either way, I think he had some well thought out points.

I'm just pointing out that while both count exactly the same, an informed vote is always preferable to an uninformed one.

EA CO AS, who are you to judge whether or not he is informed? Because of his current profession? When I was 16-20, I was more informed than many others my age, but because I didn't have a job or was young, would that have made me naieve? Give him the benefit of the doubt. Just because he said something that you (and a few others on this board) didn't like, doesn't make him uninformed.



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User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2198 times:


Typical insightful comments from someone who's occupation is "making sandwiches at Subway."

How does an occupation have any effect on one's personal political views?
If he is a voter, then he obviously has a voice- and that's all the matters.


User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

Listen, I don't need to be lectured on work ethics by anyone. I now run a $100M company that I started working at when I was in school myself. The first job I did was to take out the garbage and now I'm it's president.

USA737's analysis is sophmoric at best. To discuss issues of why we haven't caught OBL alone would require such a resertation of basic facts that it simply isn't worth my time.

There's a reason why the cliche exists that says if you're not a liberal when you're 20 you have no heart and if you're not a conservative by the time your 40 you haven't matured.

While there are exceptions to every rule, my experience with "sandwich artist" doesn't lead me to the conclusion that many of them have profound geopolitical insights nor do I believe that USA737's talking points help his cause.

By the way, during the summer that I turned 18 I interned in Congress for a democrat. However, by the time I became solely responsible for putting food on my table, a roof over my head and clothes on my back I realized that the liberal mantra of big government taking care of me meant that big government would take what it wanted and give it to whom it wanted. Thank you very much but leave my money in my wallet.


User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2181 times:

"USA737's analysis is sophmoric at best. To discuss issues of why we haven't caught OBL alone would require such a resertation of basic facts that it simply isn't worth my time."

I don't remember complaining at all about not finding OBL yet. I simply said why did we wait longer than we should've and with so few troops, before going into Afghanistan to find OBL.

"my experience with "sandwich artist" doesn't lead me to the conclusion that many of them have profound geopolitical insights"

If you've been to any fast food restaurant, there will undoubtedly be more than enough bad apples. Thats why I was not holding you by the balls because of what you said. I only thought that you were quick to personally attack me, not my comments.

Erik in MSP

[Edited 2004-07-07 19:35:12]

User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5025 posts, RR: 44
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Listen, I don't need to be lectured on work ethics by anyone.

Clearly you do, judging by your first response here.

I now run a $100M company that I started working at when I was in school myself. The first job I did was to take out the garbage and now I'm it's president.

You know what that whole little rant reminds me of? A few examples:
"My dad can beat the crap out of your dad."
"Look at me, I fly first class all the time. Did you hear me? I said I FLY FIRST CLASS ALL THE TIME!!!"
"My penis is bigger than yours."

etc. Hope you get the point. If you don't, let me clarify it for you: nobody gives a crap how big your company is, and how you think you're so much better than Usairways737.

USA737's analysis is sophmoric at best. To discuss issues of why we haven't caught OBL alone would require such a resertation of basic facts that it simply isn't worth my time.

And yet you DO seem to have the time to come here and dish out a few condescending remarks towards a user you don't agree with?

BTW, if you're going to be pretending to be better than others, you might want to start by minding your own spelling. It sucks.

I'm completely and 100% with Diamond on this one.


User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2164 times:

From your original post

"-The war in Afghanistan. Why did we wait so long to find OBL? This is a clearly justified war that I 100% support. But why so few troops committed and why did we wait months to do it? Obviously it takes time to plan a war, but we could have easily started some strategic air strikes."

What would we do if we found OBL? Kill him - thereby making him a martyr? Take him into custody and invite every nut to stage their own terrorist attack/kidnapping until we released him? Come on man, capturing OBL isn't the key, putting him on the defensive is. Clearly that objective has been obtained.

As for attacking you, I just pointed out what you had said about yourself. If you feel that this is an embarrassment, that's your thing not mine. I just wanted to point out the source of the statement. While we can all go around thinking that everyone's opinion is equal and that everyone should be respected, the harsh reality is that certain opinions matter more than others. As you point out, there are plenty of "bad apples" in the sandwich artist ranks.

Look, you're young, idealistic and immature (that last comment isn't meant to be an insult, it's a fact of life that all of us were immature at 18, that's why we mature over time). The world isn't black and white. In fact I can only think of a handful of things that are always one way or the other. Over time, you'll realize the same.

(Finally, you need to realize that you don't need to swing at every pitch thrown. I made the original statement just to piss off some of the knee jerk reactionaries on a.net - borrowing a phrase from GWB [maybe one he wished he never made] MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!)

-76M


25 Aloges : "The world isn't black and white. In fact I can only think of a handful of things that are always one way or the other. Over time, you'll realize the
26 N6376m : Look, at 18 I thought I was very mature - everyone does. Just wait and see whether you mature or not over time. It would be a bit sad if you didn't ma
27 EA CO AS : I am not as uninformed as you people that disagree with me would like to think. Your political arguments to date haven't done much to show that, howev
28 FDXmech : >>>-Taking us to war in Iraq based on obviously faulty intelligence. Where are the WMDs that nearly a 1000 of our own American troops and 1000s of inn
29 Post contains images Aloges : "Look, at 18 I thought I was very mature - everyone does. Just wait and see whether you mature or not over time. It would be a bit sad if you didn't m
30 Post contains links USAirways737 : "Unless I'm mistaken, state and local government spending is not something controlled by the President nor part of the Federal Budget. Care to cite a
31 Aloha717200 : I'm glad you've come around about Bush. I used to be a solid supporter as well and gradually woke up, now I'm very against his re-election. But truly,
32 Leskova : FDXmech: The world opinion of the has US declined significantly, I hope it improves. You're certainly not alone on that one... I believe it will. Your
33 L410Turbolet : It would be a bit sad if you didn't mature and stayed the same for the next 20 years. Ask N6376m, he knows what it is like. Otherwise he wouldn't supp
34 Aloha717200 : By the way, over 800 of America's troops have died in the war in Iraq. 644 died in actual combat, the rest died as a result of such silly things as ca
35 Mdsh00 : Listen, I don't need to be lectured on work ethics by anyone. I now run a $100M company that I started working at when I was in school myself. The fir
36 Aloha717200 : If there's one thing I noticed it's that whenever someone here complains about Bush....his supporters here automatically check your age and if it happ
37 B747-437B : I personally want Bush to come back. That dodos continued presence as America's head honcho is beneficial of other countries like India and China. Ame
38 Post contains images EA CO AS : Yet somehow it is the federal governments responsibility to fund the destruction of a foreign government, then the rebuilding of that same foreign gov
39 Post contains images Aloha717200 : EA CO AS, if you would look, I was addressing both you and N6376m in that sentence. You know exactly who the "profession" criticism was aimed at, and
40 Leskova : I criticized his viewpoints based on his naivete and willingness to blindly accept the spoon-fed drivel that most liberals rely on to try and bash the
41 Post contains links VectorVictor : My Libertarian inclinations and twenty-three years of voting has me firmly believing in R.E.N.O. Re-Elect No One. http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/ A
42 VonRichtofen : "Listen, I don't need to be lectured on work ethics by anyone. I now run a $100M company that I started working at when I was in school myself. The fi
43 Jaysit : "Thankfully Bush embraces a free market economic policy and realizes that there is a greater economic good earned from laying off lazy American worker
44 Post contains images USAirways737 : "Well, since the Federal government IS responsible for matters of national security, the elimination of the regime in Iraq was part of their mandate."
45 EA CO AS : EA CO AS, if you would look, I was addressing both you and N6376m in that sentence. You know exactly who the "profession" criticism was aimed at, and
46 N6376m : I love it. The Mickey Mouse club is having a ball today. All these teenaged geniuses telling us all how things should work before they've even held a
47 Flight152 : I love it. The Mickey Mouse club is having a ball today. You sure do spend a lot of time here for being an "executive" at a 100M company. Don't you ha
48 AGrayson514 : "And sorry, but most 16-20 year old student/Sandwich Artists tend to be somewhat naive when it comes to political matters." Actually, being young and
49 USAirways737 : N6376m You seem to be stuck on the issue of age. Instead of attacking us on our positions, you have taken the very "mature" route of telling us how im
50 Jaspike : N6376m, Rule 3: Do not post a message on how you find a topic or user irrelevant, boring, childish or stupid. Tom
51 N6376m : Flight152 - I think you'd be amazed at how much time is wasted at meetings. A TabletPC and a wireless connection has made a tremendous improvement in
52 Leskova : well most 16 year olds seems to think that they know everything As a fellow member of the 26-35 age group (32, in my case - someone, who's last monthl
53 Post contains images Aloges : Boo, Leskova, boo. You knocked his entire argument with just one paragraph.
54 Post contains images EA CO AS : most 16 year olds seems to think that they know everything As a fellow member of the 26-35 age group (32, in my case - someone, who's last monthly inc
55 Iakobos : I have asked this several times in the recent past and never got any faintest sign of an answer. Though I do not think the question is irrelevant. Can
56 North County : America - What a country! - President of $100Millon company posting on the Anet board. Now if he/she would only solve the illegal alien problem durin
57 Diamond : $100 Million company? I think this is highly suspicious. Won't believe it until I see the name of the company, and HIS name in the annual report. VonR
58 Post contains images EA CO AS : Are these relics, taking the range of an howitzer into account, considered WMD ? Well, let's break it down: artillery shell - WEAPON destroys upon imp
59 Post contains images Aloges : "Why do I get the feeling Alpha 1 is on a beach somewhere grinding his teeth but doesn't quite know why?" ROFL! Good one! But that was the good news.
60 N6376m : Diamond shows his ignorance. Most companies are not public and therefore you'll never see most people's name in annual reports. In fact, it would be v
61 Post contains images Leskova : Are you proud of the fact that so much of your income was forcibly redistributed to others by the state, or aggravated by it? Proud? Hell, no - I'm ab
62 Aloges : So, which company do you run, N6376M? As for me (so you won't say "You say it first!"), I am currently unemployed, finished civilian service on June 3
63 Post contains images JeffM : "First of all, I am not a Liberal, so don't disregard this as a bunch of treehugger BS. I am a moderate Republican who at the age of 18 has already be
64 Iakobos : EA CO AS The shells are totally unusable (easy to find pics of these relics if you cannot figure out what I mean). Only (residual) traces of gas have
65 N6376m : I run a privately held chemical distribution company.
66 Post contains images Diamond : ... Diamond shows his ignorance ... Thanks for prooving my point. You practically gift-wrapped that one for me.
67 Aloges : "I run a privately held chemical distribution company." Please name it. I have a hard time believing that a privately held chemical distribution compa
68 N6376m : So every time someone points out that your wrong it's name calling? OKAY. Who's the one trying to distort the issue? Instead of addressing your appare
69 N6376m : Algoes, nobody said it was worth $100M, I said that it had annual turnover of $100M. Huge difference. In the chemical industry, $100M is actually quit
70 Aloges : "I now run a $100M company" sounded like it's worth $100m. OK, fine, so it has an annual turnover of $100m. Would you please name the company?
71 North County : N6376m, When someone states that they started at a company when they were still a student and now they are the President, it does not fit the regular
72 N6376m : Would you please give me the maiden name of your mother and your social security number? There are certain things that one simply doesn't share over t
73 Post contains images Aloges : OK. So my Social Security number is to be kept just as secret as the name of the company you run. I guess I should make a website dedicated to my soci
74 N6376m : North Country - I have absolutely no relation to anyone at the company, past or present, their owners, managers, employees or anyone remotely related.
75 Iakobos : Besides Aloges and N6376m ping-pong session, may I refer readers with hindsight to the questions formulated in post #59.
76 Post contains links Aloges : Funny... See the first hit. http://www.google.de/search?q=Gainesville&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&meta= Anyway, since I'm quite bored, I did actually have Google l
77 Diamond : Jeez, this is getting good. ... Instead of addressing your apparent lack of knowledge of financial issues ... Again with the judgments. It's like an a
78 North County : N6376m, Fair enough - had to ask. (underwriting habit)
79 North County : Is "Olcese" a Hispanic surname?
80 Post contains images Aloges : It reminded me more of "Scorsese". He's "Italian-American" (pc always!!! ), isn't he?
81 North County : No, I think he mentioned he was Hispanic in the past....
82 Vafi88 : Yanks4 said: Where are the WMDs that nearly a 1000 of our own American troops and 1000s of innocent Iraqis have died for? Easy answer, Syria. So why d
83 N6376m : Olcese is Italian though my family is from Argentina. Great grandparents on the father's side immigrated. Parents moved to the US when I was 1. See wi
84 Iakobos : Just another thought some military experts here might help clarify... If Iraq had "real" WMDs and the platforms to fire or launch them, in addition to
85 Post contains images EA CO AS : If Iraq had "real" WMDs and the platforms to fire or launch them, in addition to the "still very powerful army", how come the US Army attacked with on
86 Diamond : ... Tell me this - why did those U.S. Army divisions undergo NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) warfare training and carry NBC suits/support gear
87 Post contains images EA CO AS : If our soldiers had landed in the desert without such gear, the hoax that Bush/Cheney perpetrated upon the U.S. would have been blown from the outset.
88 Post contains images Diamond : Yes, dude ... they follow me everywhere I go. And those damned guys hiding out in my backyard are from the same group.
89 Post contains links Schoenorama : EA CO AS, you're extremely naive if you believe Bush/Cheney wouldn't dare to lie to the US Armed Forces. They lied repeatedly to the entire US populat
90 NonRevKing : Look, it is going to take more than just a few years to find one single person who is hiding in Afghanistan or Pakistan. So in 1969, we can put a man
91 NonRevKing : Amen! Someone like Kerry with his protectionist job policies will not be particularly good for outsourcing. Thankfully Bush embraces a free market eco
92 USAirways737 : Wow! This thread really went to shit while I went to work. It's nice to see how a simple question of "any other Repubs have had some of the same opini
93 WellHung : USAirways737: don't fret - whenever someone criticizes Bush, it's either called anti-American or dismissed as a "talking point" of the DNC. e.g. Reply
94 EA CO AS : They lied repeatedly to the entire US population on several ocasions in the run-up to this war. Colin Powell lied to the entire World Community with h
95 NonRevKing : For the umpteenth time, they couldn't have knowingly lied. It's impossible OK, so if they're not liars...They're incompetent. B
96 Mdsh00 : Seriously, has anyone called a company and gotten someone in India? What a frustrating experience! I'm Indian and I agree with you on that one! Hell,
97 Post contains links J_hallgren : Saw this story...interesting...given where it's "printed"... http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/07/08/edwardss_glaring_weakne
98 Schoenorama : EA CO AS: "For the umpteenth time, they couldn't have knowingly lied. It's impossible..." Then you are fooling yourself for the umpteenth time again.
99 Post contains images B747-437B : If American workers are lazy, Indian workers smell like ass. Thats why its better to outsource jobs to India where they are kept nice and far away! Ca
100 Iakobos : EA CO AS Learn: since the end of WW2, all armies in the European theatre (East and West) provided NBC training. I was in the Army before you were born
101 Post contains images Aloges : "Olcese is Italian though my family is from Argentina. Great grandparents on the father's side immigrated. Parents moved to the US when I was 1. See w
102 Na : Voting for Bush this time again is like failing a IQ test.
103 FDXmech : >>>Then you are fooling yourself for the umpteenth time again. What's more, you're showing Bush and Cheney you really don't give a sh!t about the trut
104 MartinairYYZ : Easy answer, Syria And I am Akeen, Prince of Zamunda. Good Job USAIR737!!! Voting for Bush this time again is like failing a IQ test But you can't "fa
105 Post contains images EA CO AS : don't give me your sh!t now about the Bush gang not knowningly lying before the war! You're a big boy - you can actually type the word "shit." I won't
106 North County : N6376m Yes, hard work does payoff - My father came from Hungary as a displaced refugee after WWII. Took him 4 years to obtain papers (while in Austria
107 Diamond : ... PS: I know it's fake. But it's still a good joke ... I've heard about this being a fake photo in the past. But I have NEVER seen anyone post the
108 Post contains links Aloges : Diamond, you don't need to go any further than here: http://www.snopes.com/photos/bushbook.asp
109 Iakobos : EA CO AS Since the beginning of the 80's Iraq has been heavily scrutinized. Even you might not have been among us at that time, note that the US alrea
110 Diamond : Aloges: fascinating. Thanks for the link. Kev.
111 Post contains images EA CO AS : EA CO AS Since the beginning of the 80's Iraq has been heavily scrutinized. Even you might not have been among us at that time, note that the US alrea
112 Iakobos : OK, I take it that you have military experience. Spying satellites are permanently tasked, among other things, to transmit back to earth whatever info
113 Post contains images EA CO AS : US nuclear tactical weapons: you tell me the US would have used these to liberate the Iraqi people ? Would they have wanted to? Absolutely not. Would
114 Iakobos : EA CO AS I will serve you one for breakfast tomorrrow.
115 Post contains images Alpha 1 : USA737's analysis is sophmoric at best. So, because you run, allegedly, a company that does $100 million in business, you're automatically superior to
116 Post contains images EA CO AS : WHAT MANDATE? Wouldn't you say that the federal government is mandated with protecting the national security of the United States of America? I sure a
117 Alpha 1 : Wouldn't you say that the federal government is mandated with protecting the national security of the United States of America? I sure as hell would.
118 ScottysAir : Hey Alpha 1, Why you not want to make vote with president Bush either? Do you even like with better John Kerry? You can sure want to choose him. This
119 Iakobos : Would they have wanted to? Absolutely not. Would they have used them in or around civilian populations? Absolutely not. Would they have used them in u
120 Iakobos : Obviously you're throwing out a VAST generalization which isn't true, but hey - it's your credibility at stake with that dazzlingly wrong comment, not
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