LY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2228 posts, RR: 20 Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5053 times:
I have no personal feelings for Mr. Sweeney. However I believe that Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings were not necessary. The war would have been won anyways with Soviet and American troops invading Japan. Hundreds of thousands of innocent lives were taken. That does not make Sweeney a hero.
I also do not like remarks in the spirit of "he was doing his job" . That is unacceptable. There are comparisons for that that I'd hate myself to make.
LY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2228 posts, RR: 20 Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5024 times:
With regards to the military state of the conflict in Japan and surrounding area in fall 1945 - the war was supposed to end without loosing more then 200.000 lives. US did not save a single life by dropping that bomb. It's more like the bomb had to be tested in the real world situation. Another reason is purely political - w/o the A-bomb Soviets would probably invade Japan (a move they started in Sept. 45).
NWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5016 times:
US did not save a single life by dropping that bomb.
Bullshit, I'm no historian by any means, but I know that the sole purposes of dropping those bombs were to end the war and save millions of lives that would be lost (on BOTH sides) with an invasion of Japan--which would've had to occur if we didn't nuke them, because they sure as hell weren't going to stand down until they did get nuked.
Rjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5006 times:
What did Alpha say that got deleted?
Usher, are you serious? I can't stand this whole "we are all people" line that many Europeans use. You are dammed right I care about American citizens first.....As far as I'm concerned, a million Japanese could have been bomed in order to save some American lives. They declared war, they live with the results.
And the bombing did save many lives. If America had been forced to invade, the Japs would have fought to the end and many more Americans and Japanese would have died.
LY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2228 posts, RR: 20 Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5000 times:
If you are not historian (not even an amateur one) please do some research. I understand your patriotic feelings, but you have to try to see a broader view.
Invasion was on its way. Red Army even performed some reconnaissance landings on the Japanese land. After fierce battles of Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima, etc. US simply prefered to choose an easier way. Unfortunately it was an unhuman way.
NWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4966 times:
If your concern is total number of lives lost - you are wrong.
How is that?
Japan had to be defeated. The method is questionable.
If the method hadn't been used, a full invasion of Japan would've had to occur. That would cost millions of lives on both the Japanese and American side, everybody knows that. The method that was used ended up killing thousands and thousands, but hadn't it been used, we would be looking at millions and millions today.
NWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4958 times:
To that, I say bullshit. The bomb did not need to be dropped on a civilian center. The ratio of soldiers to civilians in Hiroshima was something on the order of 15:1.
The point of the bomb was to say "surrender, or we'll eradicate you". We didn't HAVE to start with eradication on such a collossal scale.
I agree, dropping the bomb on civilian centers was to get them to surrender. That's why I agree with what we did, because if we didn't get them to stand down, we would've had to invade them, or nuke them again, costing millions of lives more than what those two bombs did.
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8039 posts, RR: 25 Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4947 times:
Actually, the original plan was to nuke our way into Japan, creating a path. This would have caused hundreds of thousands more lives lost and, since we didn't know of radiation at the time, thousands of our own troops would have died.
This is sad, though. We just lost Bob Morgan not long ago, as well. As the old adage goes, whenever someone dies, an entire world dies along with them. I'm sure they were very interesting men.
NWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4937 times:
You agnore the Soviet military power that was there as well. Again, it was also a political decision - Showing the US power to the USSR in order to keep them out of Japan.
Well, believe what you want LY7E7, but I'm just talking about the MAIN reasons the bombs were dropped, to end the war and save lives--it was a political decision to end the war, and a moral decision to save lives.