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Noah's Ark, Will It Be Found?  
User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1835 times:

Armenian news agencies are reporting that two expeditions are on their way to Mount Ararat (Agri Dagh in Turkish) hoping to find the Noah's Ark.

Here are few quotes I read yesterday:

A Russian expedition left last Saturday for the upper reaches of Mount Ararat where organizers hope to prove an object nestled amid the snow and ice is Noah's Ark.

Also another, joint U.S.-Turkish team of 10 explorers plans to make the arduous trek up the mountain this summer to enter what they believe to be a mammoth structure some 45 feet high, 75 feet wide and up to 450 feet long that was exposed in part by last summer's heat wave in Europe.


In February of this year, temperatures rose at least 10 degrees celcius above the average for that period of year, causing major floods in Armenia and along the Turkish-Armenian border where Mount Ararat is located. This meltdown gave hope to explorers since such climate condition has never been recorded in the past few hundred years.

Explorers have long searched for an ark on the high slopes of Mount Ararat, where the biblical account of the Great Flood places it.

Armenians have many myths and legends telling that an Armenian saint failing to clibe the mountain on several attempts, have been given a piece of the Ark by angels as a sign from God.

At present, the Armenian church in Etchmiadzin displays a wooden icon saying that it comes from the Ark and relates it to the story above.

It will be interesting to see of they'll find anything.


[Edited 2004-07-20 09:21:35]

[Edited 2004-07-20 09:22:25]

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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

Thats odd, I thought it had been discovered years ago infact I saw a picture of the Ark on the net some four years back, it had blended into the mountain but you could make ity it was a vessel, did anyone else see that picture?


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User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1818 times:

Airmale,

I remember seeing that picture too but have not been able to find it recently. I'll look again.

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

Yes, I think they can find it...providing the weather holds out.

The US has many photos of it, just collecting dust, taken from our spy sattelites...reason they won't be shared is so that we don't show the world exactly how good our sattelites are...but I've seen some decent resolution shots before, fully convincing me that there IS something there. The Air Farce probably has every angle on it you could possibly want.

With all the ice and cold climate, an ark would be preserved very well, even over the thousands of years since the Biblical account...politics, and the obvious location of Ararat have kept explorers out, but I hope these teams can unveil the mystery surrounding Noah's Ark...if so, I think it'll give some more awesome, physical proof to the Judeo-Christian beliefs.

DeltaGuy

[Edited 2004-07-20 09:43:50]

User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

http://www.pilgrimpromo.com/WAR/

This was what I could find on a fast "Dogpile" search. There seems to be quite a bit of evidence of the remains of a large structure, similar to that of a ship. There are several pictures of "Anchor Stones" and petrified wood that is definitely not from the region around Mt. Ararat.

I am not vouching for the validity of the website, its content, its message or whether what they found there is truly Noah's Ark but it is quite interesting.

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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

Noah's Ark, Will It Be Found?

NO.

Because it didn't happen and it wasn't built. Will they find a really big boat? If they look hard enough they may find a few. But as quoted in a recent article even Jewish rabbis and religious scholars are admitting Noah and Moses are no more than parables.

BN747

[Edited 2004-07-20 10:19:32]


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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

The picture I saw was crystal clear too perhaps it leaked out, it was like seeing it standing from a another mountain right across.


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User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

i can only agree with BN747.
as we all know it doesnt matter what the truth is since the religious nuts will spin whatever found in such a way that it suits their story.
it is always the same old story with religion, people who want to believe in something will keep looking for evidence to support their "faith" while ignoring everything that speaks against it, hence proving the truth of their(and often emphasized only their own) faith.



10=2
User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

BN747: That is what most interesting. I myself don't believe that Noah was able to collect every known species but he may have been the one who survived the flood with his boat resting on Mt Ararat.

I believe in the flood, it's not that it couldn't have happened. There's a good version of it in The Epic Of Gilgamesh.

Airmale and MxCtrlr: It has nor been found yet. But this year's sattelite pictures give hope.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

There's a good version of it in The Epic Of Gilgamesh.

OD720, certainly there were floods back then.. big ones and small ones. But during the days of Gilgamesh.. just how big do you think they (inhabitants of the day) believed the 'whole world' was? Back then, the 'whole world probably consist of a land mass the size of Kentucky. 5 or 6 close-knit villages wiped out in a flashflood... equaled the world being destroyed! A lot like a comet being sighted .. was a harbinger that the end of the world was near.


BN747



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User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

BN747, I'm not disagreeing with you and I really don't believe that the flood covered the whole planet. Since they didn't have sattelite images then (I know that was too extreme  Smile , they thought that the whole world flooded.

I'm not a religious person so I don't take whatever The Bible tells us as the truth beyond doubt. I'm saying though that a major flood must have hit the Middle East and parts of historic Armenia.


User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1770 times:

BN747,

Although Noah and the flood can easily be ragarded - and dismissed as parables, it is more than likely the flood did occur.

A lot of cultures on Earth have a similar event in their mythology.
There is also a sediment layer all over Earth that can be approximately dated back to that era - very coherent with the theory of a flood.

Plus, you also dismiss Moses as a parable. Like it or not, be Jewish/Christian or not, Moses is not only a religious figure, it is also a historical character, as much as Jesus was. The history of ancient Egypt is very well known, and refers to Moses as much as the Bible (though not on the same light, of course  Wink/being sarcastic )

Cheers,

707


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1769 times:

Many parts of the world were under the sea and shells can be found on high mountains all over the world, maybe it did happen.

By the way what makes some people here unbelievers? I'm curious to know. Is it that you just dont believe in religion or are you total atheists?



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User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1765 times:

Airmale:

I know part of your question addresses me too. I'm not an atheist, not at all. I'm more of a science person.

We are our own Gods, we control our good doeings and the bad ones too. Blaming the devil or satan doesn't work for me.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21488 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1751 times:

Maritime sediments in the mountains are many million or even several billion years old. They´ve got nothing to do with a recent "flood" but have in fact been folded upwards when the mountains were formed in the first place.

By the way, wasn´t there a recent report that the "boat" formation was simply the result of natural processes and not man-made in any way?


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1747 times:

The history of ancient Egypt is very well known, and refers to Moses as much as the Bible (though not on the same light, of course)

Exactly what Egyptian writings are you refering to? No Egyptian writings recall any Pharoah losing his army in chase of Moses. The Jews were never enslaved in Egypt. They didn't build the Pyramids or anything else. This is all known fact today. A historical figure lends creedence than such person was infact real. There's no proof that Jesus was what the bible says it was. There probably was a guy named Jesus running around proselytzing... but writings of Jesus weren't put to pen and paper (or scroll) until approx. 40-50 years after his supposed death. Here's where accuracy gets called into question... imagine a guy writes about the 2000 (US) Election, 9/11, Bush & Iraq in the year 2055. Just how accurate is he going to be vs someone writing about it today (and we still are getting half-assed bits of information .. which = we'll never really know the truth! But just like we are arguing about it today, future generations will dispute the cause and effects of the same issues. Back then (0 BC) entrophy virtually destroyed any grains of truth to any event. Illiteracy was ubiquitous, life spans were shorter and imagination was welcome entertainment from cruel and harsh day-to-day realities. And there's no doubt that two merged consistently and constantly. They had 'slow news' days back then too.

As for some of us (unbelievers).. OD720 says it best.. scaring is with the Boogie man or " Blaming the devil or satan" doesn't work for me either... it did when I was a kid and didn't know any better.. but that's crap I would never fu*k a kid's mind with these days. Life is hard enough as it is.. there's no need to compound it with crap about 'someone's watching you' and you'll burn in hell if you buy Jesus.

Religion has done a great deal of good but that's overshadowed by the harm it's caused. Religions' track record has been at odds with information and advancement from day 1. Today, it feigns enbracing new found information and discoveries while trying to bridge it's past.. but if the Vatican and many other religious leaders truly had their way.. this (the internet) and many other forms of information and dissemination of such would be unplugged in a heart beat (not to mention what they'd do people who think 'outside the box'! They prefer you to dumb/ignorant and dependent upon them for guidance. but hey.. if it gets you thru the day more power to ya'

Re: The global sediment-dating of past floods... it appears Klaus has put that issue to bed better than I could.


BN747



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User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1744 times:

It's already been discovered, I saw a doco on it a couple of years ago, on discovery channel. It was the ark for sure, it had animal compartments and everything, it even had a flat bow, kind of like a floating box more that a boat  Big grin

User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1727 times:

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." II Timothy 4:3-4.

Sounds like its referring to some people here.



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

Sorry Airmale but I am having a bit of trouble with "sound doctrine" and "truth."

You see, my airline uniform is made of a wool-linen blend and this being forbidden in Leviticus 19:19 and all. . .

Also, the airline requires that I keep my hair neatly trimmed and absolutely forbids the wearing of a beard because the oxygen mask will not form a seal. This is in violation of Lev. 19:27

Big problem is, though, that Sunday is a big day on our flight schedule and we cannot drop trips on a weekend, even though Exodus 35:2 is pretty clear on the subject: "Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death."

Surely you can see my problem. Don't want to just cherry-pick the parts I want to obey.



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User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1691 times:

I believe that God and Jesus exist. However, I think the Old Testament is a lot of bull. Noah's Ark probably happened, there was probably a big flood. As someone already said, the '93 flood of the Mississippi could look to them, with poor transportation and communications, as "the whole world" However, how do we know who wrote any part of the Bible? For all we know, some pranking teenager made the whole thing up. And we're still getting pranked thousands of years later. And if it was authentic to begin with, look at all the translations of it. Try copying and posting this thread into and translate it to any language. Then, translate it back. How many times has that happened? How many times has someone changed it to their own liking? As far as I'm concerned, I believe the parts of Christianity that aren't superceded by science. Since we have actual scientific evidence of Jesus (hell some people want to clone him) I believe that. Genesis? No. As I said above, "The Great Flood" could have happened. Is it twisted, and do we have to take the details with a grain of salt? Yes.

User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1673 times:

Also kind of wondering how someone can argue that in the 40 days and 40 nights of rain (Genesis 7:12) and the 150 following days when the waters were upon the land (Genesis 7:24) that marine shellfish expanded their domain right on up to the top of the mountains and managed to leave a sediment layer that is, in places, hundreds of feet deep. All in just over six months in water of very low salinity.

Puzzled too how the Ark was 30 cubits high (Genesis 6:15) and that the floodwaters rose up only 15 cubits (Genesis 7:20) but still managed to cover the mountains. There is more detail: The Ark was three decks deep (Genesis 6:16) so we know that the floodwaters rose about a story and a half, or about one tenth the length of the Ark.

Sure wish there was some mention of how carbon dioxide-absorbing, sunlight-needing plants survived six months under saltwater.

I mention these things because it is obvious that some of the wording is either metaphorical or sloppily translated. I am not an atheist. I don't even propose to amend Genesis 1:1 to read :"In the beginning there was a big bang." I just believe that good would be served better if we'd try to understand the intent of our religions and stop trying to enforce the literal. If your faith cannot withstand the failure to find the Ark, you need more faith. You really need it because it is not likely to be found.





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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." II Timothy 4:3-4.

Sounds like its referring to some people here.


Sure does, Airmale.. and you sound like a perfect candidate for what P.T. Barnum coined as " There's a sucker born every minute" Today it's every nano-second.

It's not too late to learn to think for yourself dude. It won't hurt.....much.

BN747



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1628 times:

I just believe that good would be served better if we'd try to understand the intent of our religions and stop trying to enforce the literal. If your faith cannot withstand the failure to find the Ark, you need more faith. You really need it because it is not likely to be found.

Right on SlamClick...

I'm a born-again Christian myself, but I do believe that you can't take the Bible 110% literally...like in Matthew, where Jesus says to gouge out your eye if you look lustfully at a woman..imagine if we all did that, no men in the world would have eyeballs. People can't go around taking everything literally...that's being legalistic. I believe what I believe because of immense faith, and enough assurance in the content of the Bible to know that what I'm believing is true..just depends on how you read it sometimes.

I do hope they find it, it'd solve an age-old question.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

Isn't there a theory that the Flood was actually the inundation of what is now the Black Sea caused by the Mediterranean breaching a narrow isthmus at the Dardanelles and flooding the low lying area behind it ? I saw a documentary on TV about it a while back, it seemed they had some pretty compelling archaeological and anthropological evidence.

I doubt very much that Noah's Ark is on top of Mt. Ararat, but there probably was some kind of flood.


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1601 times:

What interests me is that there is no real mention of the dinosaurs in Noah's Ark. And if you were to consider EVERY species around, you would need a HUGE HUGE HUGE boat to fit them all in. Did they ever take into account, a virus spreading among the animals and killing many of them? It doesn't make a lot of sense.


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25 SSTjumbo : What interests me is that there is no real mention of the dinosaurs in Noah's Ark. And if you were to consider EVERY species around, you would need a
26 Post contains links ScarletHarlot : My favourite religion-themed websites: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com http://www.bricktestament.com View the story of the flood in Lego: http:/
27 Positive rate : "What interests me is that there is no real mention of the dinosaurs in Noah's Ark. And if you were to consider EVERY species around, you would need a
28 Post contains links Mdsh00 : True, but if the Bible said that the world was created in 7 days, including humans, there should be SOME overlap by that theory. Meaning that there wo
29 Post contains images MxCtrlr : While my views on organized religion are absolutely no secret (for those few who don't know, I abhor organized religions as garbage propogated to keep
30 Vafi88 : For all we know, some pranking teenager made the whole thing up. And we're still getting pranked thousands of years later. Funny, that's the way I fee
31 Airmale : BN747 Perhaps you're blind to whats happening around you, that those verses are thousands of years old and predicted the future as it is today says so
32 Post contains images MxCtrlr : Airmale, REALLY read the underlying messages/themes in the Bible, Quran, and the religious texts of the Hindu, Bhuddist and virtually any other mainst
33 Iakobos : Airmale Perhaps blind people like to be told what they could see. The verses are not thousand of years old, and the "translations" for our usage even
34 Jwenting : they'll never find it because it doesn't exist and never existed. that's not to say they won't find something and proclaim it to be Noah's Ark which w
35 Airplay : If they find Noah's Ark, they will probably find Jimmy Hoffa and Elvis near by. Or perhaps the "real" landing site of the Apollo moon missions...
36 BN747 : BN747 Perhaps you're blind to whats happening around you, that those verses are thousands of years old and predicted the future as it is today says so
37 Post contains images EA CO AS : It's not too late to learn to think for yourself dude. It won't hurt.....much. BN, get over yourself. Isn't it possible that someone can think for the
38 BN747 : EA AS CO: BN, get over yourself. NO. BN747
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