Tristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 4 Posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4366 times:
I was behind a '76 Ford T-bird in traffic on the way to work today. And as I sat there, looking at the miles of vinyl covered rusted top, and horrid five mile an hour bumpers tacked on to it, I got to thinking. Was the 70's possibly the WORST decade for cars, ever? Let's review...big motors that turned out little horsepower, strangled by new-technology anti-smog devices, interlock's on the 73-74's that wouldn't let you start the car unless seat belts were hooked up, hulking bumpers tacked to cars, horrific build quality, downsizing, opera windows, and colors only an LSD induced trip might describe!
And THAT'S just American cars! I'll wager our Brit friends could do a few chapters on British Leyland, alone!...
If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
Vafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 19 Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4352 times:
I'd say it was one of the best decades.
You got the developement of the muscle car industry booming and you got your Tangs, vettes, pontiac GTOs, chevy SS/chavelles. Eventhough the birth of most of these were in the 60's, their popularity and the American muscle car was really the era of the 70s.
I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
Tristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4350 times:
Ah, French cars! My parents looked at buying a new Renault R16 for a trip from Houston to California in 1972. And let's not forget that oh-so-sexy-yet troublesome Citroen SM!
If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7673 posts, RR: 18 Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4325 times:
As much as Superfly will cringe over this, I will concur that the 70s are the worst decade for cars GLOBALLY. Poor quality control and design plauged pretty much everybody. All the automakers will saddled with tons of new safety and emissions requirements that they were simply unable to design elegant solutions to. The automakers had been generally lazy in many regards. For much of the 50s through the early 70s there was not a ton of major innovation, aside from the widespread development of overhead valve V-8s. Safety and efficiency were not in the minds of many designers and engineeers.
The 70s did produce some good looking cars. Superfly's Towncar being one of them. Its relatively simple and clean lines stand in contrast to the excessively vinyl topped, opera windowed cars of the era. The Chrysler Cordoba is my personal pick as best looking car of the 1970s. But otherwise a bleak era.
Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
Tristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4312 times:
Desert has a great point. There were some true class cars from that time. I think the 75 Cadillac Seville is a great one. And most Lincoln's (EXCEPT that Granada based Versailles) are nice. I like the 77-79 GM B-body (Caprice/Bonneville) which is still looking pretty good today.
If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38496 posts, RR: 80 Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4270 times:
Tristarenvy:
I don't know you that well so I'll be nice to you but I should skin you alive for such comments!
I think the 1970s was the best decade for cars. I like the vinyl roofs, opera windows, large velour & leather seats, thick cut pile shag carpeting, woodgrain instrument panels, large upright chrome grilles, long hoods and hood ornaments. The cars in the 1970s had lots of character and were very unique. Even the crappier cars of the 1970s had lots of character and were unique. I'll even take a Gremlin or Bobcat over a new VW Passat or Toyota Matrix.
I think the ugliest cars are the ones of the last 4 years. The only cars to come out in this decade that are unique and have character are the retro cars (Thunderbird, S-Type, PT Cruiser, Bettle). Ironic isn't it?
How can you not like these beauties?
Lincoln took high fashion to the open road. You can get your Lincoln Mark V with interiors designed buy the finest Italian designers such as Emilio Pucci, Hubert de Givenchy, Cartier as well as Bill Blass.
A genuine 3 arm Cartier timepiece that gives you the day and the date.
Say what you want, but I like the 1974-1978 Ford Mustang IIs
Just look at that attention to detail in terms of interior luxury on just a little compact car. You can't even get this much luxury in Audi, BMW or Cadillac.
Our fellow Airliners.net member Sccutler owns this beautiful 1976 Cadillac Eldorado. This one here show is the limited 200 model run of the Bicentennial Edition. This is How the the United States celebrated it's 200th birthday.
Here is the beautiful1975-1978 Mercury Colony Park stationwagon.
In the rear compartment, these wagons had a chess and checker table that folded up (made of metal with magnetic pieces) for the children to play. You see it offered games in which children used there brains and could learn. Today family vehicles (SUVs & minivans) come with DVD players to watch crap on TV. Another example of the dumbing down of our society. These wagons were based off the Lincoln Contenintal and offered very a luxurious ride and the 460cu" V8 powerplant could still out tow most pickups, and SUVs on the road today. This was the ideal family vehicle.
American Motors was a company way ahead of it's time and it's too bad we lost them in 1987.
You could get a camper package with your Gremlin, Hornet, Pacer or Matador.
One thing I miss the most about 1970s cars were those beautiful plaid seats!
You have to be a very sterile and uptight individual to not appreciate these beauties.
Bristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2135 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4250 times:
Man alive you Americans haven't seen anything like the sort of trash that British Leyland turned out in the 70s and 80s. Ever heard of the Allegro? Or the Princess? Truly awful cars that were a shame on our car industry and inevitably put nails in the UK car industy's coffin.
Unfortunately we no longer have any major car manufacturers, although we do have some awesome sports car builders - Lotus, Caterham, Noble and I guess I must mention Morgan. I'd love to drive a Caterham around the streets of Phoenix among all the Hummers!
SlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 71 Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4254 times:
The 70s were pretty bad for cars, but, except for a few classic examples over the decades today is the golden age of the automobile.
I know the worshippers of cars of other eras can point with reverence to the 1929 Deusenberg SJ or the Gullwing Mercedes or the '57 Chevy but once you have tried to stop a two-ton plus car with mechanical drum brakes you will appreciate ABS disks. When you have pumped 33 gallons of gas into your 1933 LaSalle at today's prices you will appreciate a car like mine that will do 150 mph and get 28 miles per gallon (though not at the same time)
Cars today are wonderful. If you like performance, there are half a dozen that will get you a speeding ticket in first gear and do over 200 in top gear. They will cost you, but the main point is, they are available.
But the 70s, I am hard pressed to rememeber a single car that I liked from that decade. The muscle cars were really more muscular in the 60s before the emission controls. On the Mopar 426s you could pull off those plates on the end of the headers and reach in to tickle the exhaust valves. You could get your whole arm up the header pipes. By the mid '70s you could open the hood and not even see the engine for all the enviroplumbing.
During the "Arab oil embargo" I saw a muscle car and a same-year VW sitting side by side on a used car lot. They were asking nearly twice as much for the VeeDub.
Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38496 posts, RR: 80 Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4243 times:
Bristolflyer:
Look at the bright side. Jaguar and Aston Martin is owned by the world's best automaker, FORD!
Ford being the magnicifent company they are still allows Jaguar, Aston Martin and Rover the freedom to design there cars they want. Look at the GM partners in Europe such as Saab. Talk about a bland enemic company of boring looking cars. I wish Ford could have bought out Rolls Royce before they allow the Germans to butcher there designs.
By the way, the Rolls Royce Silver Shados of the 1970s is my favorite British car. Bristish cars have way more character than the German cars.
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 7988 posts, RR: 27 Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4232 times:
The late '80s were the worst. All the cars were little square pieces of crap. Look at the mustang! I mean, it's always been a piece of crap, but then it looked so econo.
Mdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4097 posts, RR: 9 Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4225 times:
The late '80s were the worst. All the cars were little square pieces of crap. Look at the mustang! I mean, it's always been a piece of crap, but then it looked so econo.
I agree. Cars in the 80s lacked any kind of style whatsoever. They were all just boxes with an angle here and there. Gross.
"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 7988 posts, RR: 27 Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4220 times:
I'm not sure, the '89 mustangs look alot like cheapo aluminum boxes I could just plow over. Earlier ones are even worse.. take the '86:
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 7988 posts, RR: 27 Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4215 times:
The '87 LeBaron has at least some substance to it. The nose looks alot less...idk...cheap... but it's still nothing like the big cars of the '70s.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38496 posts, RR: 80 Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4206 times:
I've seen more awful designs over the last 4 years than in my entire life.
THe worst looking cars in my opinion:
Pontiac Aztec
H2
Matrix/Vibe
Avalanche/Escalade
Lexus RX300/330
Porsche/Cyanne
Mercedes M-class (all of them)
BMW X5
BMW X3
BMW Z3
BMW Z4
Honda CRV
Toyota Rav4
Infiniti FX 35/45
Nissan Murano
These cars would be better off melted down and turnes in to beer cans!
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 7988 posts, RR: 27 Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4200 times:
Not to mention the slaughter of perfectly good cars like the Accord or Civic. Damn fart cannons.
Delta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2559 posts, RR: 14 Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4196 times:
The 80's were pretty bad. The cars were extremely ugly and boxy. But any year with 200 Horsepower V8's sucked! Their is just no excuse for that.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38496 posts, RR: 80 Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4193 times:
Just watch it now!
There is a lot more to a car than 0-60.
Just look at the beautiful 1987 Chrysler LeBaron convertible. It was a perfect blend of state of the art technology, classic American luxury and styling touches that harkens back to the dawn of Western Civilization with it's Greek Corintian leather seating surface.
OK, OK OK it was made by the Greeks in New Jersey but the idea was cool, don't you think? Afterall, you had Ricardo Mantalban (Fantasy Island) as the spokesman and promoter of these fine vehiceles.
I owned on for five years and it caught on fire only 3 times. Fortunatly, I've always kept a fire extinguisher in the trunk in case that 2.2 turbo got too hot.
Tristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4150 times:
Dear Superfly, I meant no offense! If you noticed I did say that most 70's Lincoln's are great. The Mark V's, preferably with Blass, or Gucci designer options RULE! My point was, that the 70's were a time of transition for the auto industry, and some of the first results left a lot to be desired. The late 70's cars, were designed with fuel efficiency, and those five m.p.h. bumpers, in mind. So the Mark IV, by 1976, looked pretty bloated, but the Mark V, was a clean design.
And I HAD a '78 Cordoba! But sadly, WITHOUT, the rich Corinthian leather!
And my dad had the best example of what had gone wrong with the British auto industry. A Triumph TR7. 'Nuff said.
If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7673 posts, RR: 18 Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4143 times:
When it comes to the Cordoba the 76 and 77 are much better looking without those silly stacked quad lamps.
I think what Superfly is trying to say is that the 70s were the pinnacle of old American luxury, gaudy as it seems to me. I think the Big 3 are trying to define what new American luxury is... cars like the new Chrysler 300C and Caddilac STS are pretty damn good efforts and give the Germans and Japanese a good run.
The big problem with most cars from the 70s is that new designs were brought in hastily and were rather poor, or were imported in from the European divisions... which were just as poor or just plain quirky.
But today is the best era for cars. You can buy a run of the mill car that will easily keep up with the muscle cars of yore on the drag strip, then out handle them on the road course, and still carry the kids and 6 bags of mulch home from the Home Depot. While our cars are getting porkier.... getting close to the average curb weight numbers of the early 70s, pound for pound the cars are better, more crash worthy, more efficient, faster, and with more equipment.
Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
25 Superfly: Tristarenvy: I understand ware you are coming from now but there are still some good examples of cars designed in the 1970s that are great. The Ford P
26 DfwRevolution: The only thing new in the past 25 years in cars is in car navigation screens. Yeah... forget CD players, fuel injection, and the like...
27 Captoveur: I think we are in another dark era for American cars right now. Look at most of the crap being shoveled out on dealer lots today. We have oversized SU
28 Superfly: DfwRevolution: Feul injection first started in the 1950s and it was a standard on Cadillacs 1976 and on. CD players? Digital audio sucks!
29 DfwRevolution: DfwRevolution: Feul injection first started in the 1950s and it was a standard on Cadillacs 1976 and on. That's really irrelevant. The Concorde and T
30 Lono: Superfly There is nuthin better than motoring down the road in a 5 thousand pound land yacht getting 8 miles to the gallon... God I miss it.... these
31 Superfly: DfwRevolution Real Name: Withheld E-mail: Contact Gender: Male Age: 21-25 Country: United States Location: Dallas-Fort Worth Just as I thought. You ar
32 Whitehatter: If the Russians had wanted to bring America to its knees in the 1970s, then it would have been simple. Buy the plans from British Leyland, then take o
33 AvObserver: "American Motors was a company way ahead of it's time and it's too bad we lost them in 1987 (absorbed into Chrysler after Renault sold all its shares)
34 L-188: The 1980's.... Especially the first half decade, when Detroit was half-assed teaching itself how to build small cars. After all this is the decade of
35 Cptkrell: I think the 'bad decade' actually started with the 1973 model year, the year when the federally-mandated chrome logs were installed front and rear to
36 Tristarenvy: AVobserver, yes AMC did offer a tent package. There was also a pull out tent for the 74-77 Hornet Hatchback, that had a big AMC logo on the side. GM o
37 Srbmod: L-188 summed it up best in mentioning the K Car. I admit to owning one of the later ones back in the mid 1990s (1988 Dodge Lancer), wasn't that bad of
38 Matt D: I'll chime in on this and say that I agree with Superfly. There are three reasons why Ipod/MP3's are popular, none of which is applicable to my reason
39 Sccutler: Superfly (and for this topic, SuperFi), wrote: Just as I thought. You are too young to even understand. I hope Matt D, Sccutler and maybe Hartsfeildbo
40 AvObserver: Tristarenvy, thanks for the comments. I'm aware of the Pacer's developmental woes. It was hard to change sparkplugs due to the underhood crowding and
41 L-188: It always amazed my how such as small car such as an AMC pacer or eagle, could have so many damm vacume hoses! It was unreal!!!
42 Cptkrell: Tristarenvy' psost reminded me of specicific under-the-table envolvement with Bobby Allison's Daytona 500 effort with the Matador. We increased the to
43 Tristarenvy: Cptkrell, thanks for all the info! I'd heard of the Vega Wankle offshoot. Cool info, too. I think the biggest failure of AMC was the total loss of Geo
44 An-225: I just want to add a few things to the worst-looking cars list - Honda Element and that atrocity by Toyota... I cannot look at those things without cr
45 PHLBOS: We have oversized SUVs that are either enclosed pickup trucks or cars that have been jacked up. American cars are all the same tiny engined, front whe
46 L-188: Actually the other thing about the early 1980's that irks me about the cars is that is when Detroit was making the switch from standard to metric....a
47 Mighluss: 70's? Nothing more to say!! (I was 4 years old!! )
48 AvObserver: "Not to get political, but a certain Democratic Senator from Massachusetts who's running for President attempted (but failed) to raise the CAFE standa
49 Cptkrell: I like fast, powerful cars, but I don't have a problem at all with AvObserver's suggestion; if you want such, then pay extra through a CAFE tax or suc
50 PHLBOS: AvObserver, Since the subject thread at hand covers the 'worst' decade for cars, most of the responses have been pointing at either the cars of the la
51 Superfly: PHLBOS: I would love to see Ford bring back the Country Squire and Mercury Colony Park stationwagons! My 1977 Town Car has the towing package that is
52 L-188: Not to get political, but a certain Democratic Senator from Massachusetts who's running for President attempted (but failed) to raise the CAFE standar
53 Superfly: L-188: We may disagree a lot on politics but I hate Ralph Nader just as much as you do!
54 PHLBOS: I would love to see Ford bring back the Country Squire and Mercury Colony Park stationwagons! Amen, Superfly! My brother and I would love to see th
55 Superfly: PHLBOS: Yes I do have the 460cu" V8 and it's fast for a 5,300 pound car. My year is the last one with the special barbershop roller style speedometer.
56 L-188: The real nice thing about the Corvair engine, is that it was air cooled and had a block that would sit flat on a table. this made them easy to work on
57 PHLBOS: My year is the last one with the special barbershop roller style speedometer. I wont beable to change the speedometer. I wasn't necessarily saying tha
58 Tristarenvy: I think a thread that's going on elsewhere about American's not paying attention to what's going on in the world, can be answered here! In response to
59 Superfly: PHLBOS: Wow, you know your Lincolns man! That's cool. Tristarenvy: In response to Mr. Superfly (I'm sucking up, 'cause I annoyed him, earlier) Oh that
60 PHLBOS: Tristarenvy, Just last week, my brother and I were talking over the phone about there seems to be more new European station wagons available than in t
61 Tristarenvy: I collect car sales flyers and ad's from the mid 70's thru about 1985. I have all the ad's that Superfly had posted earlier, too. There's a Lincoln ad
62 PHLBOS: The Taurus repacement , the "500" will have a semi-SUV cousin to replace the wagon, I do believe. Correct, it's called the Freestyle. However, I don't
63 Tristarenvy: That appears to be the case. Still makes one wonder if Mercury will be "Oldsmobile-ized" in the near future. I came within inches of getting a nice Ta
64 Superfly: PHLBOS: Wow, my mouth was watering as I read that list of 'fine cars' your family has owned. Tristarenvy: That Versailles ad was actually in the Worl
65 PHLBOS: The Lincoln Versailles was the first American car to come with clearcoat paint. Don't forget that it was also the first vehicle to offer halogen headl
66 Tristarenvy: One of the collector car mags, a while back had an interview with the stylist who came up w/the revised C pillar on the V. Given that the basic donor
67 PHLBOS: Given that the basic donor platform from the Granada/Monarch was nearly five years old, I was surprised that FoMoCo would put the money into the fix.
68 Tristarenvy: And Ford did a bang up job on those changes, too. I had a '70 Country Sedan, and it looked totally different from the following year, even though ther
69 PHLBOS: ...it's amazing to see some of the older auto's still rolling in decent shape, around here. I assume it's due to retiree's letting go of their cars. E
70 LHMark: The UK had great cars in the '70s, too.
71 Superfly: And man, when WAS the last time you saw a Maverick/Comet? I see lots here in San Francisco. I know a guy with a prestine mint condition 1973 Mercury C
72 Cptkrell: tristarnvy; the 'slant' copycat to the Seville you alluded to was the Chrysler 81-83 Imperial, not FoMoCo Granada-based Versailles. That car had the S
73 AvObserver: "Just out of curiousity, AvObserver, what kind of vehicle(s) do you drive?" PHLBOS, sorry for the late reply and to let you know I'm not a hypocrite,
74 Superfly: The cure to the SUV desease is very simple. Instead of increasing there MPG on a gasoline engine, just eliminate the gas engine altogether on trucks a
75 Tristarenvy: Captkrell, I was thinking of the 82-88 Fox based Continental. The one before that HORRIFIC Taurus based FWD Continental, and after the Versailles. The
76 JGPH1A: Re: The yuppies and soccer moms will be running away from SUVs as fast as they can ! Good idea. My brother has just upgraded his Ford Explorer to a Fo
77 Captoveur: "For the bulk of U.S. roads, mega-powered cars aren't needed and may also endanger drivers of slow cars, like me, even though I keep to the right. I'm
78 Tristarenvy: Oh Man, Captover, you just brought back horrible memories of spring break in the early 80's. That I-10 drive from Beaumont to Tallahassee was a killer
79 PHLBOS: I was thinking of the 82-88 Fox based Continental. The one before that HORRIFIC Taurus based FWD Continental, and after the Versailles. Slight correct
80 Tristarenvy: D'OH!!!! Right you are. My in-law's bought one of 'em. It wasn't around long. They bought a Town Car to replace it. They had nothing but trouble w/the
81 PHLBOS: a '66 baby Blue Lincoln coupe. (TRIVIA: First two door Lincoln since the enormous 58-60's) I thought Lincoln's first coupe of the mid-60s was the '67
82 Tristarenvy: '66 was the first. The car used in most Lincoln ads was a nice tan one w/no vinyl top. Mine had a black(ack!) top. And you are correct on the differen
83 PHLBOS: I've a tiny Focus hatchback, at the moment. AvObserver, No problem with regarding the delayed reply. I'm not always able to respond quickly as well, t
84 L-188: LHMark I just saw video the other day of a demolition derby in Britain with those things. Apparently it is a class thing.
85 Superfly: PHLBOS: Problem with that suggestion, Superfly, is that the end result would be a sizable increase in smog pollution. The yuppies and soccer moms may
86 L-188: The reason most truckers run diesel in this country is because of price, and milage. There aren't a whole lot of carburated diesels running around, ju
87 PHLBOS: Wouldn't a diesel better serve purpose anyway? Again, what you and I may consider to be rational solutions; someone else or some other agency is going
88 Superfly: PHLBOS: I am taking lots of notes here. You are a fountian of information! I have a question about CAFE ratings. Is output per vehicle weight in? For
89 PHLBOS: If Ford decided to make as many Mauraders as they do Focus, would Ford's CAFE standards drop lower or does CAFE not factor in units of each vehicle in
90 Superfly: PHLBOS: So could that be the reason why Ford neglected to put in the 5.4 32valve Navigator engine in the Maruarder, Grand Marquis and Town Car? It's t
91 L-188: I dunno about CAFE standards, but I do seem to remember that some of the emmision specs didn't kick in on production runs of less the a set amount. I
92 PHLBOS: So could that be the reason why Ford neglected to put in the 5.4 32valve Navigator engine in the Maruader, Grand Marquis and Town Car? It's the same e
93 Superfly: PHLBOS: Does the 5.4 32valve get that much less than the 4.6 16valve engine? Has Ford ever tested it in a Crown Victoria/Town Car and/or Mustang? I kn
94 Tristarenvy: Or how about some great colors like the early 70's ones from Chrysler, like "GO MANGO", or the lovley Blue of the 78 Pontiac Firebird Skybird? Oh, Sup
95 Superfly: Tristarenvy: My roomate has that Sensational 70's book and I've been going to arcticboy.com for several years now. The worse time for car colors has t
96 PHLBOS: Does the 5.4 32valve get that much less than the 4.6 16valve engine? From Reply #83: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/FEG2004_GasolineVehicles.pdf Accor
97 Tristarenvy: That site is very slick. There was another, like it, I found years ago that was more Javelin/AMX centered. I was looking for some info on Mexican buil
98 Superfly: I could not agree with you more. What's interesting about all those vehicles you just listed; with the exception of the Aztec (which Pontiac has come
99 PHLBOS: The worse time for car colors has to be the early 1990s. Geo had to be the worse. Remember those hot pink convertible Geo Metros, medicine blue Geo St
100 Tristarenvy: I wonder what the late Mr. Teague's take on today's cars might be?
101 L-188: Actually my mom had one of those medicine blue metro's, wasn't a bad little car for the price. Only had the 1 litre, 3 cylinder in it, so it was a lit
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