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User currently offlineReno_air From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (14 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

Sometimes i believe Europe, the US, Canada and Australia and NZ should be one country. 80% of these countries residents are originally from Europe. It would be the worlds powerhouse and the best country world-wide with tremendous economic opportunities.

What do you think?

reno_air

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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (14 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

I think in theory it is a good idea. But in practise, it could never work.

1. Each of these countries have worked hard to gain their independance (ie Canada, Australia, and US), sometimes violently.

2. I suppose it counts less for the EU nations, as they are slowly forfeiting national independance for a single European country, but for Australians, Canadians, and Americans, national pride, and independance are still highly held.

3. Animosity between some of the nations. Although not an American, I have noticed, particularly on this board, some aggrivated feelings toward Americans from Australians. Canadians and Americans don't seem to mind each other, jsut so long as you don't call a Canadian, an American.


4. Trivial stuff like: What version of English would be used. The British and Australian feel the American version to be arrogant, and usually don't recognise it. Americans hold American English as a patriotic rite. What side of the road would we drive on? I suppose things in that area would stay untouched, but for any country to change driving styles, would be incredibly costly, and confusing as hell. However, it would be strange for a single country to drive on both sides of the road. Other endless stuff like that.


The list could go on, and on, but the message is clear: A nice thought, but not practical.

LH423



« On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux » Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
User currently offlinePeter From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (14 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

I agree with LH423. It would never work.

User currently offlineArifu Gobakuwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1931 times:

Why does this kind of post bring to my head one liners like: "White power! White power! White power!!...

I'm not accusing anyone of being a racist here, but it's the honest truth to what I thought of first when I read the headline sentence.


User currently offlineAussiemite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1927 times:

it would take a yank to come up witha statment like that.. The Australian, Candian and US mentalitys are very very different.. I know I woundt want to be classed equal to a yank I like the independence of Australia, you meet a better class of person.. Canadians are also more like Australians in the way they think.. trust me my grandfather was Australian.

Regards,

Aussiemite


User currently offlineSpaceman From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

Are you suggesting that the world be dominant with western powers. Or some western white people. There are alot of white trash in the country so we really wouldn't want any racial war to spark. This could cause another great war.

User currently offlineReno_air From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

There wasnt any racial background.
In the distant future there will surely be one nation earth, so the days of national pride are numbered. One the Internet it already doesnt matter what color you have and where you come from.

And each country keeps its language, there is no need for one single language. Just a single legislation, one currency and a foederalistic setup. This would present tremendous business opportunities.

reno_air


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (14 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1901 times:

I think everybody's analyzing this way too seriously. Reno_air was just posting a "what if." Of course it most likely would never happen, but I think it's interesting to analyze the possibilities. I agree with Reno_air that there could be economic advantages. I disagree with the "white power" comment. If current demographic trends continue, whites will be the slight minority in America within the next 20 years or so, and I think Australia and NZ have diverse populations (Asians, Natives, etc.)

I do believe there would be difficulties governing such a massive country that covers about a 3rd of the globe. I also wonder whether Reno_air would include Russia in this country. If so, that would be way more than half the globe. Wouldn't the other half get pissed? You'd essentially have the 1st world united (by today's standards) and the 2nd/3rd world countries... what would they do?



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (14 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1883 times:

I actually like Reno_air's opinion. A one-nation Earth might happen, but not for a very, very long time, as there are too many cultures and too much national pride for this to ever happen in our lifetime. Not to mention conflicting interests and other factors such as the growing gap between the rich and poor. Unless some evil totalitarian dictator was bent on this kind of vision, causing World War III. This is definitely not the way I want to see future history go! If there's to be one Earth, one people, one nation, I'd want to see this come about gradually and peacefully, especially with most of the major issues affecting the world solved.



User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (14 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1867 times:

Anyone read Revelation? We're going to end up as one world anyway... This would be just one step towards the EOTWAWKI.


Up, up and away!
User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (14 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

Anyone watch Star Trek? We're going to end up as one world anyway... This would be just one step towards developing warp technology, meeting and becoming friends with the Vulcans, and becoming a charter member of the United Federation of Planets.


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (14 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

Redngold - what the hell is EOTWAWKI!? I'm sorry, but the joke is lost on me.

TWAFirst - you must be a born Trekkie - maybe there really is a civilization where its people have pointy ears and worship logic like nobody else! LOL  

Anyone watch Babylon 5? We're going to end up as one world anyway...This would be one step towards fighting and then making up with the Minbari, setting up EarthGov in Geneva and having a Earth-Minbari war vet by the name of John Sheridan declare his station, Babylon 5, as his own little country when some nut case takes over EarthGov.


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (14 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

Samurai 777: EOTWAWKI stands for End Of The World As We Know It.

LH423



« On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux » Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
User currently offlineAl B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (14 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

It sounds like an interesting idea, but just think of the elections!!!

The thought of Tony Blair and Bill Clinton's slimey, smarmy faces constantly lying at me through the TV makes me want to puke! (and with that many voters involved the election campaigns could go on for years). AAARRRGGGHHH!!!

I just pray it'll never happen.

Al



User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (14 years 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1847 times:

Thank you very much, LH423. Now I understand what Redngold's getting at.

Samurai 777


User currently offlineRobin27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (14 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

We tried it, it was called the British Commonwealth. As more and more countries decided on independence, it faded away. There was also the British Empire which took in parts of Africa and Asia.

If it were to happen, what would it be called?

One World
Star Alliance ............ it's getting late, I can't think of the rest.  


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (14 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

Hmmmm. It is an interesting proposal. However, I believe nothing like that will happen at least for the next few hundred or so years or until an extraterrestial intelligent race is discovered. Then everyone would form up in order to protect their own identity as just humans. As far as language barriers are concerned, english-language accents would not be much of a problem at all...Just put someone from California, Minnesota, Mississippi, and New York side by side and listen to the way they talk. They sound almost as different as generic American from generic British (as if there is such a thing) and our country can still function as one. The real problem would be dealing with all of those European languages. You've got the major ones like German, French, Spanish, Italian, and maybe Russian (if that country was included), plus the Scandinavian languages, Greek, Slavic languages, Dutch, etc. But I guess if there can be a European Parliament and their is already an EU, then from a language standpoint integrating more English (don't forget Ireland) into the fold would probably not be too hard.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (14 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

Sorry, Samurai777 and the others who didn't know what I meant. It's an Internet acronym so I thought you would know it. It also is usually written TEOTWAWKI... I was tired when I wrote it.

If anyone here has read the "Left Behind" series of books (very popular here in the U.S.), the authors of the books are writing about their interpretation of the Book of Revelation. There's a whole "one world government" called the "Global Community" which is ruled by the AntiChrist.

It's a pretty good series, whether you believe the Bible and the Book of Revelation or not.



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineAvion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (14 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

Keep in mind that Scotland, Ireland and Wales primarily speak gaelic. Most of the people dont know that.

And the EU parliament does not speak english solely, they have 500 full time translators!!!

avion


User currently offlineAnzff From Australia, joined May 2000, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (14 years 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

Sorry but to me this is a fairly ludicrous notion. The practicalities would prevent it alone!
Where to draw the line? The original post didn't include New Zealand, someone else said what about Russia. To try and find a basis to unify all EU states, the US, Canada and Australia would require such a broad set of criteria that Russia would have to meet them - unless it was based solely on economic wealth. And then what about South Africa? Chile? Argentina? Where do you draw the line? There are similarities between all of them!
Would each state retain its own protectionist trade measures? If the US did not drop tariffs and subsidies on wheat and lamb, and Australia did not stop protecting Salmon farmers from Canadian imports, and the EU did not drop tariffs that keep out many New Zealand dairy products, etc then most of the benefits economically would disappear dwon the drain.
What about integrating legal systems? Sorry but when I look at the US legal system all I can say is please don't let Australia end up like that. Which authority of law would prevail on a particular issue when they are different? To keep it geographically different would negate the effects of unification. And does this legal system use a British-orginating common law system, a Roman-Dutch system, a French Civil system?
What about setting up a federation as was mentioned: do each of the Australian states, each of the Canadian provinces, each of the US states each become a member of the federation? Then that would be hugely unfair on New Zealand, the UK, France, etc which are all unitary. Tasmania (or Delaware) would have the same power in a multi-member constituted house of parliament as the whole of France!
And a system of overall government: do Australia, New Zealand and the UK have to accept a Presidential style of central government? Or will the US and France accept a parliamentary executive?
The differences are so great that overcoming them would come close to bankrupting the whole country. Look at the financial cost of reunifying the BRD and DDR: it is still costing all Germans a fortune, and the social division it has created is enormous. Imagine trying to unify France and Germany into one country!
While the idea of simplified trade and travel appeal, as do wamr and fuzzy notions of global unity, national pride is still too strong to allow it - and in my estimation will remain so. The EU is our best guide. Depite WWI, WWII, and the Cold War Europe cannot even manage partial integration - the reason: national consiousness.
The way to achieve the benefits that would flow from unifacction into one state are through reduced trade barriers, free trade, unification of both private and public law (through UNIDROIT, the ILC, ILO, ICC, IMO, and ISO), the implementation of the Rome Convention's Internaional Criminal Court together with consent by states such as the USA to the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice.
International law and free trade are the tools to achieve unity and economic growth.


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (14 years 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1813 times:

Actually, Scotland and Ireland speak primarily Englsih even though their respective forms of Gaelic are the native language. Only in Wales and in some places Ireland will you find an extremely significant percentage of people that speak Welsh Gaelic fluently.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (14 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1804 times:

Cross out the last "Welsh" in the previous post.

Aaron G.


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