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Race Fans Spit On Lance Armstrong  
User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

Lance was spat upon by tour DeFrance race fans today during the 15.k km time trial today. Shame on whom ever did that. Show some respect.

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=sportsNews&storyID=551318§ion=news

(and for those of you who are hyper sensitve to Anti French sentiment, notice i didn't say "french race fans". I'll let you deduce what nationality you think spat on him)


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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

Well, if they were Greek, it would mean good luck.

User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

Note that this wasn't the first time he was spit on by fans this tour.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-tour18jul18,1,129854.story?coll=la-home-sports

Armstrong was spit on Friday and booed Saturday by some orange-clad Basque fans who seemed angry that their homebred hero, Iban Mayo, tried to quit the race halfway up the mountain in Stage 13 Saturday.

Don't know the breakdown between Spanish/French spitters though.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

(and for those of you who are hyper sensitve to Anti French sentiment, notice i didn't say "french race fans". I'll let you deduce what nationality you think spat on him)

Uh.

Armstrong described the stage as a "bad idea" and hit out at some German fans.



User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

Uh.

Armstrong described the stage as a "bad idea" and hit out at some German fans.


im not sure if they mean he "hit" fans or if its a term used by brits to mean something else. I think if Lance punched or hit some race fans it would be better explained as such. So i don't think what your trying to imply is the case.




"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
User currently offlineChrisdigo From Sweden, joined Oct 2003, 181 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

Galaxy5: The point is SOME french bike fans

(From the other thread)  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

He clearly didn't hit them (  Insane ) - he verbally hit out at them, implying it was Germans who spat on him, not the French.

User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

Nothing was said if Armstrong "hit out at" (What's that supposed to mean?) those fans because they spat on him or because they were getting in his way or because they were doing something else to annoy him.

It's only sports, I don't get why people get so worked up about it. Lance Armstrong is so going to win his 6th TDF, some people must be dying from envy - especially since Ullrich still talks like he's got great chances to turn this thing around and win.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

Ok, since i have never heard the Term "hit out at them" used i wasn't sure of what it meant or what context it was used in. So it means that he pointed out that the people who spat on him were germans than?


"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

He critisised German fans. Read into that what you will.

User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2730 times:

Don't know more about the spitting incident, but here's another nice one:

Jens Voigt, a German cyclist from the CSC team, has been booed, vilified and even called "Judas" by German fans - apparently, the reporters of ARD (one of the two main public TV stations broadcasting the TDF alternately) had put him down for something concerning Jan Ullrich, and while Voigt was naming those reporters today in an interview on ZDF (the other station), they simply blanked the interview out. Nice.  Yeah sure

I think the Ullrich-mania is going way over the top this time. People, accept it - Lance Armstrong lives for the Tour de France, and his drugs (a.k.a. doping) seem to be better than Ullrich's.

[Edited 2004-07-22 02:13:50]


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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

That's O.k....

Lance is making the rest of the biking world LOOK like shit.



Again....


User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Given the lead he's starting to build, I wouldn't be surprised if the next time he gets spit on, he gets off his bike and kick the ass of the pussy who spit on him.

Though most Europeans really respect Lance and what he's going to accomplish, there are a small minority that can't stand the fact that an American has dominate this event for 6 years straight.

I was actually in Paris (by sheer co-incidence) four years ago at the conclusion of the Tour. We were stuck in traffic coming from the airport to our hotel when the driver told us what the cause was. We got out and saw him race by (by the way, watching cycling in person is sort of a boring sport). Everyone was going nuts. It was a neat moment.

-76M


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13664 posts, RR: 61
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2669 times:
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People, accept it - Lance Armstrong lives for the Tour de France, and his drugs (a.k.a. doping) seem to be better than Ullrich's.

So since one man is consistently better at this sport than anyone else in the world, he just has to be using performance-enhancing drugs, right?

I see.  Insane




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User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

Dc10guy,

That was absolutely pathetic and uncalled for. You need mental help, and not because it's an anti-Bush comment.

As to Lance and these spitting fans,

There are always wackos out there. I won't take some crazy nationalist anti-Americans who HATE the fact the fact that an AMERICAN, with the UNITED STATES Postal Service team, has been kicking everyone's ass in the Tour de FRANCE for six years as a reflection on all of Europe. Most Europeans have a great respect for Armstrong which I admire, these are just some bad apples on a good tree.


User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2622 times:

Whenever an athlete or team has dominated a sport as Lance has, there is always a substantial contingent of people wanting to see the champ dethroned. Unfortunately, some of the people in that group don't have the class or mental stability to be good sports themselves. It's another unfortunate aspect of human nature, and manifests itself in ways ranging from the simply annoying to dangerous and life-threatening. Think of Monica Seles. She was number 1 in the world, and poised to stay there for several more years. The only person who could beat her was Steffi Graf, and then only at Wimbledon. Fortunately, Monica survived being stabbed by a psycho, but the psycho also accomplished his goal of eliminating Monica and returning Steffi to the virtually unchallenged number 1 position for three more years. Irrationality among sports fans is frightening, and I don't blame anyone at the top of the game for having an entourage to protect him/her, or for criticizing those who cross the line.


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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

For all those sick morons on this Forum who think they need to make an US vs. Europe thing out of about any topic there is (you know who you are):

Have any of you actually SEEN the race yesterday?? NO! You didn't, except maybe some 15 second newsclips.

I heard that crap from Armstrong and I was flabbergasted!!! He rode up to Alpe d'Huez and he was CELEBRATED by the GERMANS...he rode through a sea of black-red-yellow flags...well, if he doesn't like it or it makes him shit his pants, well that's too bad for him, but this was one of the most touching sights on this tour, knowing that their own was good but not good enough, subsequently cheering the one that was better.

Fairness and grandeur in defeat is a concept completely unknown to Mr. Armstrong obviously, who believes those Eurowhiners are just there to hurt him. DISGUSTING!! So go get your frigging maillot jaune and get the fu#@ back home and stay there if you see but bad guys over here!!


And THAT is what really happened yesterday!!



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User currently offlineIakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3314 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

So since one man is consistently better at this sport than anyone else in the world, he just has to be using performance-enhancing drugs, right?

EA CO AS you definitely cannot avoid throwing your hyperbole.
LA is not better at this sport, he is the best in the TDF, which is one stage race in a season that lasts 8 months. He dominates the TDF, nothing else.
And, take it from me, there are all, without any exception, using performance-enhancing drugs. For your information, some of these are accepted, some are not, some can be detected, some cannot.

Though most Europeans really respect Lance and what he's going to accomplish, there are a small minority that can't stand the fact that an American has dominate this event for 6 years straight

N6376m did you see the race ? do you know what (some of) these people on the side of the road are doing since the day before, in the sunshine and thin air ?
I find it particularly irresponsible from the TDF director to stage such an event, knowing for certain that something wrong will happen, be it by overenthusiastic fans, uncautious bystanders, drunken lads, angry husbands,..., of all nationalities combined.

Greg
Spitting for Greeks means warding off bad spell


User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

Interesting CO:
"The 33-year-old Armstrong, an icon to millions of people around the world since recovering from cancer in 1998, continues to strenuously deny that he has ever taken performance enhancing drugs.
But at the Tour de France in 1999 he failed a test for the corticosteroid triamcinolone - a banned substance which is found in some medicines and creams - although cycling's ruling body the UCI did not sanction him for the offence."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1152992/posts



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

"People, accept it - Lance Armstrong lives for the Tour de France, and his drugs (a.k.a. doping) seem to be better than Ullrich's.

So since one man is consistently better at this sport than anyone else in the world, he just has to be using performance-enhancing drugs, right?

I see.  Insane "


Care to read what I wrote? I'll explain it since you don't seem to understand: "his drugs (a.k.a. doping) seem to be better than Ullrich's" means that the person who writes this believes that both Lance Armstrong and Jan Ullrich use performance-enhancing drugs - like everyone else in the Tour de France. But as long as you can attack one of those pesky Eurowhiners, it doesn't matter what he actually said, does it?  Insane back at you.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineCanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2842 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2526 times:

Have any of you actually SEEN the race yesterday??

Yes, and every stage since the start.

he was CELEBRATED by the GERMANS

Didn't look like it from the way they acted, and the things they wrote on the road. You are the ones making this a US vs. Europe thread. Again, you are nieve to think that anyone who lives thru one of the most agressive cancer treatments could win the TDF on anything other than athletic ability.

I agree that the TDF organizers made an error scheduling the TT on L'Alpe, and that the fans of US Postal, CSC, T-Mobile, etc. acted stupidly. However, LA has done nothing but increase interest in cycling since he started riding the TDF.



The beatings will continue until morale improves
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2522 times:

"However, LA has done nothing but increase interest in cycling since he started riding the TDF."

Applies to the US, mostly - I don't think interest in cycling needed to be increased that much in Europe, we've been "blessed" with live footage from every freaking stage for much longer than Armstrong has been around.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2514 times:

I couldn't help it but yesterday I had to LAUGH OUT LOUD, when I read "Epo-Lance" on the street. Couldn't have put it any better...


Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

"Lance Armstrong is so going to win his 6th TDF, some people must be dying from envy - especially since Ullrich still talks like he's got great chances to turn this thing around and win."

Aloges,

I don't know where you got this statement from. Since the Pyreneas Ullrich stated everytime he was asked that it seems very difficult to beat Armstrong but he won't give up. After the first stage in the Alps he used the word unbeatable in every interview.

Again, maybe it was translated in a misunderstanding way but it's not true at all.


User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

Since Usher and Aloges are incapable of reading the 2 other threads that have already been posted on Armstrong and doping (LA Chronicles and Tour De France Decided) and discussed to death I guess again we have to go over the 1999 UCI decision...

While traces of the corticosteroid triamcinolone, a banned substance found in some medicines and creams, were found in his urine during the 1999 Tour, the UCI did not sanction Armstrong in the matter, saying that he had used the cream Cemalyt to treat a skin allergy, and that it had been given a copy of the prescription for the cream. "The UCI declares with the utmost firmness that this was an authorized usage, and does not constitute a case of doping,"

The traces that were found were on his crotch because of seat burn. I haven't heard of any cream that is considered a doping agent (by the way most bikers still use tramcinolone to treat seat rash)! I guess that would be an advantage as he wouldn't feel as uncomfortable, but an organization that bans inhalers for asthmatics isn't going to be lenient on a publicly known case of supposed drug use.

To this date Lance has never been convicted of using any doping drugs (inside or outside of his body) and he has been the most frequently tested athlete in all of sports.

...and if you don't believe me try the following

My roommate in college was a dual physical therapy/pharmacy major and I asked him the question about how corticosteroid triamcinolone used in a cream could help performance.

This is what the med books say about it:

Strong corticosteroids (Active ingredients: alcolometasone, betamethasone, fluorometholone, methylprednisolone, mometasone, prednisolone, triamcinolone) are used topically to treat severe skin rashes, such as atopic dermatitis, contact dermatitis and psoriasis, and for some cases of swollen mucous membranes, such as with severe hayfever (see rhinitis). Corticosteroids may also be supplied in combinations with an antibacterial or antifungal agent to treat both the infection and inflammation associated with the infection.

Avoid the use of topical immunosuppressant corticosteroids (Active ingredients: betamethasone, methylprednisolone, prednisolone, triamcinolone) on the face. Use under medical supervision for application over joints, under arms and in groin region.

Use topical strong corticosteroids (Active ingredients: alcolometasone, betamethasone, fluorometholone, methylprednisolone, mometasone, prednisolone, triamcinolone) under medical supervision for application to the face, underarms or in groin regions.

So what my friend advises you to do is to go out to a doctor or even a pharmacist (as you can buy many products containing this over the counter) and cover your body with the cream and then see how it improves your athletic performance. Keep in mind that if you don't remove the cream before putting on your work out clothes (not even mentioning tight bike shorts and shirts) it burns and can make your skin super irritated, causing bleeding.

Now I guess what Zak and other opponents of Armstrong are saying is that he put the cream on before one stage of the 1999 tour (keep in mind this was after a rainy stage in which most of the riders were experiencing severe skin rashes)...and I'm not really sure of this but I guess it helped to relieve his itch before the stage or did it help him get that burning sensation that caused so much pain that he wanted to finish the race even faster so he could take the cream off? According to the rule book causing an intentional burning sensation in your crotch is not considered a performance inhancer.

So the next logical thing for anyone convinced that Armstrong is doping is to take the testimony of his former masseuse who was paid a 5 digit sum and all of the sudden came up with accusations (at the same time this book was published) that she never thought to mention before, that Lance was involved in a weird garbage request in which she was asked to throw a bag containing what she thought were needles (but as this was a couple years ago she cant remember the details).

Lets not even get started on Greg, who himself admits that he was misquoted in the LA Chronicles book.

The point is that book is trash and not only is it poorly written but it contains multiple inaccuracies and misquotes. Just because it's written doesn't make it true.

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!



"How Many Assholes we got on this ship?" - Lord Helmet
25 Aloges : "Again, maybe it was translated in a misunderstanding way but it's not true at all." I re-read my post, and yes I should have worded it differently. I
26 Racko : He's not really trying to improve his images, is he?
27 Zak : "Now I guess what Zak and other opponents of Armstrong are saying is that he put the cream on before one stage of the 1999 tour (keep in mind this was
28 Greg : lakobos...yes, you are absolutely correct--I was being a smartass. But warding off the bad luck...can also be interpreted as wishing good luck...
29 Aloges : "He's not really trying to improve his images, is he?" Huh? Who isn't?
30 NUAir : no, what I clearly said is that the UCI has played it down by stating it was from cream to protect an even bigger scandal then the tour de doping the
31 Iakobos : NUair everybody understands you are a fan, that's fine. If you wish to keep your enthusisam for that sport, you better forget about the performance-en
32 Canoecarrier : Applies to the US, mostly - I don't think interest in cycling needed to be increased that much in Europe, we've been "blessed" with live footage from
33 Iakobos : You forget Greg Lemond, that's when US media started getting an interest. Nobody is really clean in this sport, not even at amateur level. It is not "
34 Aloges : "I do see that all the LA bashers love to throw the "how could he win without Epo?" around. Apparently, your beloved Ullrich can finish 1st once and 2
35 Chrisdigo : Iakobos: You forget Greg Lemond Greg Lemond was the first American to won the Tour de France and yet, everybody seemed to forget about him!
36 EMBQA : Anyone that can assume Lance is 'doping' has never read or even opened their eyes to how Cancer changed his body. We sit here as say " How can this gu
37 Canoecarrier : My point is "How could anyone even do it without p-e drugs?" I'm not saying "Epo-Lance" or anything like that, I just think nobody, no matter how hard
38 Post contains images NUAir : Iakobos, - I'm sorry but I am at the amateur level here in DC racing for DC Velo and I don't recal ever taking any performance enhancing drugs, let al
39 NUAir : BTW, Getting back to the topic of this post... That was another great win by Lance yesterday but I have to say Kloden has been working hard out there
40 Iakobos : NUair, I dont want to deprive you of your illusions. Stay clean and enjoy, perfect. The traditional "cycling" nations France, Belgium, Netherlands, Sw
41 Galaxy5 : So then, your assuming that just because he is such a champion he has to be doing drugs? That's an awful big assumption, wouldn't you say?
42 Iakobos : Galaxy5, see post #33. I dare to say I know very very well what I am mentioning, they ALL play by the same rules (though not the officially published
43 Zweed : Nice to see that a guy on heavy doping is able to win his 6th tour de france
44 NUAir : Zweed, You have nothing to back that statement up, maybe you are just upset that Leipheimer is going to leave Rabobank for the Discovery Channel Team?
45 Iakobos : NUair There are excellent labs around, among them in California. I know everything you tell me, but also more than that. I have no problem with it, it
46 Canoecarrier : I stick by my comment that everyone is flaming LA, but no one is willing to throw one stone at Ullrich who's finished first once and second five times
47 Ushermittwoch : Canoecarrier, if you'd READ the posts, you'd see that it's mentioned that ALL riders strech the rules...
48 Iakobos : Canoecarrier Usher answered for me. Notwithstanding, for me and quite a few others, s###t is s###t and smells the same whatever the flag (or party aff
49 NUAir : Another Stage win for Armstrong!! This will be far and away his best tour performance and I hope Discovery will bring him back to the Tour next year f
50 Post contains images Ushermittwoch : I am happy to see Andreas Klöden do so well. And for that matter seeing Jan Ullrich doing bad. I never liked him too much. But I am still hoping for
51 Canoecarrier : T-Mobile wont win the yellow jersey, but they are doing wonderful in the team competition. Kloden has riden very well. It's too bad Voekler won't win
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