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Is This Really A Race Problem?  
User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Posted (10 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 2844 times:

http://www.latimes.com/news/custom/showcase/la-me-getty20jul20.story

Let's get serious folks. There are many forms of racial problems in society today but THIS???? This is garbage! Grow the f**k up and deal with the fact that your hair may be rough!

"We listened to Getty Museum officials say 'we apologize, we apologize,' " said Maryalice Jones, western regional director of the Congress of Racial Equality. "How do you expect me to accept your apology when you haven't done anything to rectify the situation?"

To fire someone over this incident, like this Maryalice Jones is implying needs to be done, is WAY overboard!

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.  Smokin cool



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29836 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 2835 times:

Sounds like another Shapton/Jackson extortion case about to start.

But if I where one of the two, I can see where I might be offended.....but still in some ways, it sounds pretty weak.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 2816 times:

Maybe I'm not seeing what all the fuss is about but pretty weak seems to sum it all up. Someone was trying to get 4th graders involved in a museum tour. To make it more interesting, that person made it somewhat "interactive" with an illustration of their point that probably made sense to a lot of the class in attendance. To try and twist that into a racial context is perverted and a slap to the problems that really ARE racial problems in society!

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.  Smokin cool



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29836 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 2816 times:

The article said she did it again with another student.....

What race?

Anything but African American and the complaint goes away......



But then again this is California we are talking about....  Nuts



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineAir2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2772 times:

My big concern would be that someone touched my child. This was not a teacher, that is known to the students and parents, but a docent. I believe I would have a problem with that. A racial issue, no, but a concern.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29836 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

Well, this was an employee of the museum giving a presentation Air2gxs, not a complete stranger on the side of the road.

I think I can cut a bit of slack in that regard.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

The issue is not that he called their hair 'rough'.
The issue is she touched a minor. Albeit, I doubt it would be considered innapropriately in a sexual way.
I'd be pissed to....but it's not going to court...the employee will be very publicly (letter released to the press) reprimanded.

End of story.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2730 times:

Probably just another poor black person waiting for an easy way to get some money and the opportunity rang.

Better a black person getting money than a black person serving white people, no?

**I don't mean to be rude, but I'm just sick and tired of a lot of black people claiming EVERYTHING is discrimination**

Given your history of slavery, I say you have nothing to moan about.


User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

777236ER,

You missed the point of Bronco's statement, even if he made it in a less than politically correct manner. Your condescending response is far more offensive than his post. There IS a problem in the US with the racism label being used far too freely and frequently for minor incidents or to deflect attention from the true problem. Perhaps your pristine nation with no skeletons in its closet entitles you to berate us, but I don't think so.



I'm not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information.
User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

Oh no, somebody TOUCHED me! Heaven forbid! I'm doing to die!

No way, hair is rough? When did that happen?

Every day I'm amazed at the stupidity level of the general public. GROW UP PEOPLE.



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16367 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

While I dislike political correctness as much as anyone, this conduct was out of line.


Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineSoku39 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1797 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

I also think that conduct was out of line, a little common sense may have helped though as I don't think she meant any harm.


The Ohio Player
User currently offline5NEOO From Nigeria, joined Nov 2003, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

Probably just another poor black person waiting for an easy way to get some money and the opportunity rang.

We all know a white person wouldn't throw a fit or something like this.

Here's a logical solution to the problem that if followed step-by-step will produce huge dividends:

1. Call up your Aryan Brothers.
2. Each of you donate $100 to aid in the charter of the largest cargo vessel available.
3. With the remaining funds available, buy as much Chicken and Watermelons you can lay your hands on.
4. Place an Ad in Ebony, Vibe, Source or any publication that caters to the black community stating; "Free Chicken and Atlantic Cruise to the first 20 million BLACK respondents to this Ad!"
5. Once they've all congregated on the ship, cut the line and pray the ship sails FAR AWAY from the U.S.

I hope my suggestion was helpful.



Admit it, you could care less about the continent Africa!
User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

I would consider the guide's actions and comments somewhat inappropriate, though not an outrage or anything. A mild reprimand to the guide and an apology to the children should be enough.


"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineSjc>sfo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

77236ER-

"Given your history of slavery, I say you have nothing to moan about."

What the f*ck. So, just because someone is white they have a history of slavery?

Full of sh*t


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

FlyingBronco05,

"Probably just another poor black person waiting for an easy way to get some money and the opportunity rang.

We all know a white person wouldn't throw a fit or something like this.

**I don't mean to be rude, but I'm just sick and tired of a lot of black people claiming EVERYTHING is discrimination**"

Comments like that from people like you are the reason that the race card is used so prevalently. It's obvious you're a racist. What if a black person went up to a white person talking about skin cancer, and then rubbed the skin of a white person and said, "this is skin more likely to get cancer?" or something ridiculous like that. It is a race issue, why the hell was she touching the kids in the first place? That's like touching someone's nose and saying "ugly" or "big." It's offensive! I bet she wouldn't have touched a white person's hair. White people always seem to touch black people's hair, and to me someone touching my hair is extremely rude. Ever notice that people touch dog's heads, and pet animals? THAT'S why it's a race issue, no one ever would've touched a white person or any other person's hair. I think so many of you white people are offended because of the fact that racism is going on and being NOTICED. If you were black, you'd agree with it being a race issue.

Jeremy



User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4130 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

Given your history of slavery, I say you have nothing to moan about.

Well then you should probably think about your own history of slavery and what your ancestors did in India.


Although it may not be appropriate for her to touch the children like that, I don't think she meant any harm. Is it really that racist? Yes, blacks have short curly hair, whites tend to have more skin cancer, etc. etc. Our differences are there, and just because someone mentions it doesn't make them a racist, unless it's done in a condescending way.

It seems to me that it's another opportunity for people like like Jesse Jackson, who keep professing equality, yet constantly try and set people apart. There was an incident with Toyota a few years back when they happened to have a billboard with a big picture of a guy grinning, with a Camry in the reflection of his gold tooth. Well it turned out that the guy was black, and Jesse Jackson was alll over it.

There are times when racism exists and there are time when things are blown out of proportion. Lately I feel that the latter has been happening more.



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

I would consider the guide's actions and comments somewhat inappropriate, though not an outrage or anything. A mild reprimand to the guide and an apology to the children should be enough.

Just to clarify what I said, I tend to doubt that the guide meant to be offensive, she probably was just clueless as to the effect her actions would have. She may have thought what she did was cute.





"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

I have no doubt the intentions were totally harmless and the interest of educating the children.
However, I would likely prefer that no one touch my child in any fashion outside of my supervision---medical emergency withstanding....

It's not like she has a claim at any rate. There is no racial implication.
It you read the article, she only wants 'something' done so it won't happen again.


User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

Funny that 777236ER brings up the history of slavery in the US.

Many slaves were brought here by British slave traders. The British only started to condemn slavery about the time the slave trade ceased being profitable. The reason it ceased being profitable was, they had imported so many the colonies were making all the slaves they needed through reproduction.

Source: About any college level US history book

Yeah what the guide did was out of line, but geez people get a life. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will probably do their best to put the museum out of business over this by suing, or threatening to sue for hundreds of millions of dollars. If some black person used me as an example of pasty white I wouldn't be offended.

Without being there I would bet the tour guide did not mean to be racist.


User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2649 times:

SESGDL,

You made some stereotypical comments that are, in themselves, racist. I do not make a habit of touching black people's hair, even though I am with black people every day. Most white people do not go around touching black people's hair all the time, if ever. The docent's action was inappropriate, but it doesn't need to be blown out of proportion. In the same way you angrily branded Bronco a racist for his remarks, I could say the same about you based on your remarks. Think about it.



I'm not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information.
User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Someone is going to get banned for breaking the rules.


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2613 times:

Dvk explain why you agree that a white boy would not make a "fit" and that only only black people would. Genetic superiority Dvk?


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2594 times:

David b.

Please re-read my posts! Your remark has no relation to anything I've said. It is racist for a black person to say that "White people always seem to touch black people's hair". I did not imply anything else, and I certainly did not say anything about racial proclivities toward making a "fit".



I'm not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information.
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

MxCtrlr, L-188 and all the older guys.... you guys obviuosly don't know,have or associate with minorities of any persuassion in any meaningful way.. it comes across very clearly in the comments you make. You both may 'know' a black or chinese guy who you may say 'hi' to everyday but that's about the extent of it... if that. Which means you really don't KNOW any. MxCtrlr, if the Mx indicates you are 'mexican' ... then a greater shame on you. As many of you know, Southern Californian has a huge hispanic population dominated by those of mexican descent. But there is a clear divide in those very ranks, the mexicans who run as far and as fast as they can from being anything associated with being mexican AND those who recognize they are.. and could careless what anyone thinks. Both indicate their awarness of a 'race problem'. The one distancing himself from his ethnic background hastily trying to align himself with what he sees as the favored identity... white. The other is quite cognizant of his place in a society dripping with racial disparity and could give a rats ass what anyone thinks of him/her.

The problem the older guys here miss out on is that these are kids... as mean little bastards as kids can be .. they are still very sensitive and keenly aware of the differences they have among themselves... esp. the minority kids. And for this docent (who clearly was either, not thinking or was just outright ignorant) did something that was completely out of line. The kid that was selected with the 'rough' hair now carrys an emotional scar probably to be conscience of it for very very long time. If this kid was at a point where he was beginning to feel race is of little consequence in 'his' America... this docent just destroyed that and set him backwards in thinking that world is becoming a better place than what his parents endured. One idiot with a single thoughtless action can just that. He was singled out.. made an example of and not in a positive way. It may seem insignificant to you but to this kid.. this was huge (esp. if his classmate/girl crush was present to witness it).

To the morons who love tossing out the Sharpton/Jesse Jackson flash cards every time race comes up... I ask, without Jesse Jackson/Sharpton.. just where do you people think the race situation in America would be without them? You must foolishly think the gains that they have made would have just magically appeared out of altruism of the dominate race. If you took a little more time than what it takes to shoot off your mouth, and examined the price of civil rights in this country, you'd realize that if not for a fight.. very few rights would have been extended. If there were no Jackson/Sharpton I gaurantee you that daily street bombings and riots of the 1960s & 70s would be with you right now and I just wonder.. what would you have to say other than 'Someone ought to do something about this...' To ask 'why are they always so angry or always charging racism' if you must ask the question.. the answer is.. you know squat about racism in America/worldwide nor anything of it's legacy and that you are the least qualified person to be discussing as much. You come across 'loud and clear' just like the uninformed passenger who points to a plane on the tarmac and says ' the plane is still on the runway'.


BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
25 Mdsh00 : BN747 You make some very valid points. As a young person of minority, I understand what it is like when others make light of your culture and beliefs.
26 BN747 : Mdsh00, I understand exactly what you mean and tragically this is the imbalance inherent in anything of human affairs. You have people minority and no
27 Sccutler : "She started talking about smooth and rough textures and she grabbed the head of one of my black boy students and rubbed his head and said 'This is ro
28 BN747 : I agree with Greg's comments above- these days, it is certainly not accepted to have strangers touching children; but if race was not relevant to the
29 SESGDL : BN747, Your points are excellent and more people on this forum need to read some of your comments. I agree 110% with everything you've said. The issue
30 Sccutler : Race clearly was relevent, how could it not be? You can't grab a white kid and say 'see his hair is rough'. Of course one could... if he had rough hai
31 BN747 : Sort of amusing, really, getting racial commentary from a Los Angeleno- while the LA-centric media purport to tell us "flyovers" how to think, they ha
32 Sccutler : Dang. There I was, thinking we had burned through to a new level of discussion- something less superficial- and you jumped right back into the mold. S
33 BN747 : I guess you'll have to explain that one. Having re-read my prior posts to see what I might have written to trigger that sort of personal attack, I com
34 Post contains images MxCtrlr : BN747, MxCtrlr, L-188 and all the older guys.... You guys obviously don't know,have or associate with minorities of any persuasion in any meaningful w
35 Post contains images MxCtrlr : Underestimating your opponent is a costly mistake. Fortunately, in this venue, it isn't any big deal, but lessons learned should be lessons remembered
36 Post contains images BN747 : MxCtrlr as far as the acronyms are concerned I really don't have the time to sit around and figure out what clever abbreviations people come up with f
37 Post contains images MxCtrlr : As a self-acknowledged father and grandfather nowhere in a single line of your ramblings do you mention or intimate the understanding of any possible
38 BN747 : By teaching my kids, and FULL-TIME grandkids that they are no more or less special than anyone else, is teaching them the reality of life. You aren't
39 MaverickM11 : "Given your history of slavery, I say you have nothing to moan about." YOUR???? Did Britain sit this part of history out?
40 MaverickM11 : "I ask, without Jesse Jackson/Sharpton.. just where do you people think the race situation in America would be without them? " A helluva lot better! F
41 BN747 : A helluva lot better! For starters you'd have real black people in positions of power, rather than Jackson cronies. The black community needs to ditch
42 Post contains images MxCtrlr : BN747, I'm only going to respond to one part of your latest diatribe... Where does anyone say any child is special??? Did I overlook something? If any
43 MaverickM11 : "A rather foolish post teenager who thinks he knows all the answers to every social issue and especially about racism, race relations and it's horrend
44 MaverickM11 : "A rich kid is a child of privilege...not a minority kid.. " Apparently the two are exclusive. What if your a rich minority kid? Honestly BN747, not o
45 BN747 : A minority child who gets into a college, not because they are qualified, but because of affirmative action (a privilege extended to minorities only)
46 Post contains images MxCtrlr : BN747, You've missed the point.... I said.... Again, it starts by teaching children, from the get-go, that everyone is an individual and no one is mor
47 Boeing4ever : And in you go to my RU list MxCtrlr! That was a beautiful piece of work. And a reality that for some clearly, is hard to swallow. B4e-Forever New Fron
48 MaverickM11 : "With that and my previous statement in the paragraph above as a backdrop, I know MANY folks, who are considered minorities, who have worked their way
49 Bigphilnyc : I didn't read a lot of the replies as I feel it got out of control, but: "How do you expect me to accept your apology when you haven't done anything t
50 BN747 : As for the age thing MxCtrlr, I never looked at your age.. I just took your self-explained grandpa stories and ran with it. Grandpa to me means late 5
51 Post contains images MxCtrlr : So by Jackson/Sharpton harnessing black spending dollars and demand that their concerns be meet and paid attention to... Or else! Just how is this any
52 BN747 : If it boils down to someone working their tail off to get something, or screaming "racist" as a means to the same end, more often than not, the Jackso
53 MaverickM11 : "Again, I addressed this issue of people who employ tactic as a means to an end" As is, in Sharpton's case, anti semitism, violence, and speaking with
54 JGPH1A : Re: White Africans fall into this category as well. I have to agree that the term "African American" is applied with a definite racial bias. A friend
55 MaverickM11 : "Or are Black people the only legitimate Africans ? " Duh! Strop trying to use common sense.
56 BN747 : As is, in Sharpton's case, anti semitism, violence, and speaking without thinking." Well you certainly have trumped on that last one Mav 11! "Sharpton
57 Post contains images Airplay : She touched a black person? Ewwwww..... She could have just as easily demonstrated "rough" using her pubic hair. No wait...thats not right either.
58 Post contains links MaverickM11 : "He sure has owned up to it, just did it again with Debra Norville last week. See if your tv is still working, I doubt if he'll show up at your door a
59 BN747 : As of June 2004 he had not apologized. Nor should he? He took up the cause and the girl was a fraud. All he can do is own up to believing her story. T
60 MaverickM11 : "Nor should he? He took up the cause and the girl was a fraud. All he can do is own up to believing her story. That's it." You must be joking. "Has Su
61 BN747 : The only problem is a President has more reason to believe domestic and international intelligence than some charlatan believing a random little girl.
62 MaverickM11 : "Oh and he is a public officiak. Sharpton is not now and never was a public official. Nice try but again.. all yak and no shak!" I meant public person
63 BN747 : I meant public persona rather than official, but you could have fooled me with his run for the Democratic candidacy (where he again made a complete fo
64 MaverickM11 : "And by making a fool of yourself here by buying into 'the bad intelligence' bogus line and just what have you achieved in so far in your life? " Oh w
65 BN747 : Hmmmm.... just a pile of anger for future plans huh? Boy that's tragic... I am my leader. Dubya is yours. BN747
66 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Here's example that you MxCtrlr, Mav 11 & young race-Ace Boeing4ever don't understand about business and gaining leverage. Race-ace? Cute coming from
67 BN747 : Anyway, what do you know about me!? Ever met me? While you sit there in your dank basement, pondering your miserable and bitter existence, taking elec
68 Boeing4ever : To put your un-used mind to rest quite a few people met me personally at the Airliners 2004 and they can confirmed I'm light-years from the cellar-dwe
69 BN747 : Unlike you and the rest of the extremist ding bats on this site I have the guts to come up with my own conclusions. You sure do.. they need to start a
70 Boeing4ever : You sure do.. they need to start a new political party called the Ass-Backwards Party just for such conclusions! A lot pet parrots will suddenly be mi
71 Post contains images MxCtrlr : That sound at the end of Reply #71, was the sound of BN747 getting owned by Boeing4ever! MxCtrlr Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.
72 Post contains images BN747 : That sound at the end of Reply #71, was the sound of BN747 getting owned by Boeing4ever! B4E, in an anemic attempt to hijack my parrot remark about 'h
73 Post contains images MxCtrlr : And, dead on schedule (so much so, that you could set the atomic clock by it), BN747 approaches the bait, and to nobody's amazment, takes it all, hook
74 Post contains images Boeing4ever : B4E, in an anemic attempt to hijack my parrot remark about 'him' and he owns me? That type of inside-out thinking qualifies for membership into the As
75 BN747 : A very impressive self-portrait Mav11... never knew you were so colorful..and a tad creative. Now that you've demonstrated as much let's see you and t
76 MaverickM11 : "A very impressive self-portrait Mav11... never knew you were so colorful..and a tad creative. Now that you've demonstrated as much let's see you and
77 Post contains images Boeing4ever : A very impressive self-portrait Mav11... never knew you were so colorful..and a tad creative. Now that you've demonstrated as much let's see you and t
78 BN747 : MAV11, my bad, sorry about that dude... the blades were totally meant for B4E, but the you share the same politics so the message still is applicaple
79 Boeing4ever : B4E, as young as you are, you need to obtain some VIAGRA and toss in with your argument (above) because it would hold up under the weight of a feather
80 BN747 : You words speak (or Squawk) for themselves. They are your words not mine. You are against Affirmative Action. So now have youor have you not told your
81 Post contains images MxCtrlr : Losing arguments on all fronts, BN747 now resorts to yet another feeble attempt to regain lost ground. Now we are talking about women? Where does it s
82 MaverickM11 : "Aleuts living in Florida? " Asians? Oh wait they don't count.
83 BN747 : Losing arguments on all fronts, BN747 now resorts to yet another feeble attempt to regain lost ground. Now we are talking about women? What the hell a
84 Post contains images MxCtrlr : Because you are the the ultimate hypocrite. You can't delete your post now because your words are here and they speak loud and clear. Affirmative Acti
85 Post contains links and images MxCtrlr : I did a little work for you, BN747. I did a Google search for "Affirmative Action Statistics" and came up with this: http://www.deed.state.mn.us/lmi/p
86 BN747 : No, nice try on your part. You can click, but you can't hide... You've made my case for me. You stated your views of the subject and you, not me... YO
87 Post contains images MxCtrlr : Say whatever you want but I still see nothing backing up your claim. Equal Employment Opportunities (EEOC), of which I can agree that women are one of
88 Post contains images BN747 : Say whatever you want but I still see nothing backing up your claim. Equal Employment Opportunities (EEOC), of which I can agree that women are one of
89 Post contains links and images MxCtrlr : You and a few other clueless morons here who are vehemently against Affirmative Action (as stated in your own words) and yet when I school your dumbas
90 Jonty : this issue has been blown way out of proportion!!1 its just stupid, ppl go way over the top when race is involved, they need to get over themselves an
91 Post contains images MxCtrlr : Agreed, Jonty, which was exactly the original point of this thread where I asked... Let's get serious folks. There are many forms of racial problems i
92 Dan2002 : BN747, well has anyone of the little group of fucktards that were, huh , black (no, couldnt be!) apologized for beating up a fucking innocent white gi
93 Dutchflyer : How can touching one's hair being a racist act. How stupid. When blacks start complaining about everything then racism can stoppen. When you bump into
94 Post contains images Vaporlock : It's too bad that some people in the world still can't see past the colour of a persons skin! We are all Gods children and the world would be such an
95 AgnusBymaster : Touching someone's hair or face should be considered an act of kindness. People are too sensitive now days. Don't they have more important things to w
96 Post contains images SESGDL : "BN747, well has anyone of the little group of fucktards that were, huh , black (no, couldnt be!) apologized for beating up a fucking innocent white g
97 Post contains images MxCtrlr : It's almost become now that people can NEVER complain about racism without some white people saying that they pulled the race card. I find it utterly
98 BN747 : While I am not trying to trivialize racism, in its true, ugly form, what I am saying is calling every problem a "racial problem", cheapens what racism
99 Boeing4ever : There you go again. I oppose Affirmative Action simply because it hasn't completely solved the racial problems in this country. And I've stated as suc
100 BN747 : There you go again Oh for crying out loud.. who are you now mimicking? Ronald Reagan? Give us an f*n break! At least be original. If it doesn't solve/
101 Post contains images MxCtrlr : MxCrtlr advocates that 'if you pretend everything is okay... then it is okay.' This is the kind of thinking that allows an unseen (and unacknowledged)
102 BN747 : Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; Teach him to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Giving someone, as opposed to them working for it, on
103 Post contains images MxCtrlr : Nobody is refuting the place of Affirmative Action in the past (and if you think I am, you are sadly mistaken). What I am disputing is its need in tod
104 BN747 : Still waiting for the source and facts (not just your generalizations or your "thought-up facts")... The source and facts are all around you if you st
105 Post contains images MxCtrlr : I guess B4E is still pondering this one.... he's been silent ever since... I guess B4E has come to the same realization I have with regards to BN747,
106 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Oh for crying out loud.. who are you now mimicking? Ronald Reagan? Give us an f*n break! At least be original. Reagan may have his name slapped on eve
107 BN747 : I guess B4E has come to the same realization I have with regards to BN747, its the same as arguing with a pig - Sooner or later you realize that the p
108 Post contains images MxCtrlr : BN747, I see you ridiculing everyone who does not agree with your world, where race is a problem in every part of society and I see you begging everyo
109 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Or and idiot. You have to do something... but, let's now visit your solution. Have you ever wondered why everyone else both liberal and conservative h
110 BN747 : Well B4E picture this... no take a break from your soccer matches on tv and tune into CNN. Right now, clips of Colin Powell, John Kerry and Bruce Spri
111 Boeing4ever : Well B4E picture this... no take a break from your soccer matches on tv and tune into CNN. Right now, clips of Colin Powell, John Kerry and Bruce Spri
112 BN747 : B4E... if I'm in a basement (and we don't do basements in Southern California).. that puts you in a foxhole under a cesspool (happy swimming). But do
113 Boeing4ever : B4E... if I'm in a basement (and we don't do basements in Southern California).. that puts you in a foxhole under a cesspool (happy swimming). Predict
114 Propilotjw : I am a white male, age 22. I have NEVER owned a slave so don't tell me crap about how bad I am for me having slaves. I owe black people nothing but th
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